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I am 13 years old and I have just recently been diagnosed with achalasia and my doctor gave me 4 options. Botox, dialation, Heller Myotomy, and a new prosedure called POEM. I am unsure about which procidure I am going to do and I really need advice on which procedure (with reasons please) and on how I can handle the problem because it is becoming difficult to handle and as of right now I am taking Nefidipine and it helps a lot but it is not a permenent solution. I am leaning towards POEM because it is low risk and is simple. Please give me advice!!!
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I have had the Botox twice and each time the Botox has lasted me a full year so it has been like magic but I know it is not a long term solution I am just putting off the inevitable. Also I was advised that the Botox may only last weeks or a couple of months but I was lucky. They will not allow me a third lot of Botox. I am in a similar situation as I also need to make a decision in the next few weeks! Good luck, Tracy
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graeme35202 sazo
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This is a hell of a thing for a 13 years old to be thinking about and I would like to think that your parent(s) will help you with that decision. The standard operation is a laparascopic (five or six small incisions in your abdomen) Heller myotomy and in addition a proceedure called a fundoplication where the stomach is folded around the base of the food pipe to make a new valve. If they dont do this part of the op, its not to say you will have problems but quite possibly in the future you may well suffer from a degree of acid reflux where the contents of your stomach can flow into your foodpipe when you are laying down or asleep. POEM op is similar to the Heler myotomy except it does not involve operating from the outside and the surgeon has greater scope for dividing the muscles of the cardia. But no fundoplication op can be done and once they have effectively negated your valve they need to make a new one. So both ops have positive and negatives. However I think it more likely at your gae that they will not do POEM but a laparascopic op. Its simply because they can be more controleed and at your age it may be a problem using and andoscope for a POEM operation.
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AlanJM sazo
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You are right to be thinking about what is best for you in the long term.
So, the questions might also be:
What procedure gives me the best chance of getting a good quality, long term solution first time round?
What procedure gives me the best chance of best quality of life long term without swallowing and reflux problems?
What procedure keeps options open for the future should it not work properly?
Botox and dilatation are probably easiest but there is a risk that they may not last long. But would the doctor think that it is feasible that your nerve system could get 're-trained' for the long term by one of these?
The difference between a myotomy and POEM is that POEM cuts the muscles within the lining of the lower oesophageal sphincter. I suppose that both might increase the chances of reflux, but it is a question of getting the right balance.
I have a grandson your age, and if it were him, I would advise him to make sure that he was going to a recognised Upper GI centre of excellence where they had a lot of experience. I would be interested in the percentage chances of 'getting away with' botox or a dilatation (which only the surgeon can give you) but would definitely not be keen on risking repeats of the same 'half measure'. I would be interested in how many POEM procedures they have done at the centre because there is quite a long learning curve for the surgeons to be able to do it well, and I would be keen not to be carried along with 'new procedure enthusiasm'.
It is not as clearcut as an engineering problem, because our bodies are not like car components, so things might be grey rather than black and white, but I am quite sure that things will improve for you whichever you choose - the issue is for how long!
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The problem with achalasia is often that the nerves do not trigger the muscles properly for the peristalsis / motility / digestion process properly to work the system of food being progressively moved through into the stomach. And stress and anxiety sometimes / often makes this problem with the muscles nerves worse.
So feasibly, perhaps, if the patient is young, and a short term solution is found, the nerves might then get trained into becoming more effective (again) because they have not been jangled for such a long period as those who have been suffering the condition for longer?
It might be connected with the issue of precisely what happens to the nerve endings, how the nerves drive the muscles, whether the nerves have become damaged in some way, and whether any such damage might get reduced by the body's healing functions.
I repeat that I do not know the answer, and the chances might well be that individuals are so different that one could never rely on any argument that this could happen.
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Bobogarrett sazo
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The good news is, all of these options are reasonable and good. I personally chose to get a Heller Myotomy with Dor Fundoplication. I was considering the POEM, but the surgeon in my region does it without Fundoplication and I wanted Fundoplication to avoid GERD. I am scheduled for the surgery next week- I'll tell you how it goes.
ed95295 sazo
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I'm not sure why you would even look at those options at your age. They all have inherint risks and side effects that might be more worse than dealing with Achalasia itself. My doctor suggested the same options, but I always do my own research. I looked for feedback from others that selected the different options, into medical sites such as webmd, mayoclinic, etc. You really need to do the same so you can make an educated decission.
When I went back to my doctor for consultation I was very direct and prepared with this information. These are some of the questions I asked and my final decision:
Botox –
Q. I've read that Botox is temporary, from a few months to a year plus if you’re lucky, and that it deteriorates the muscle making it so you cannot have the sphincter stretched. I also read that you are limited in the number of times you can do Botox. Is this right?
A. Yes, it is temporary, you can only have it performed a few times, and they wouldn’t be able to stretch the sphincter after 2 Botox treatments.
Decision – I was 45 and Botox at best would get me to 50. I do not consider this an option.
Stretching Sphincter –
Q. I read that this is a temporary solution (3-6 months), doesn’t work for all patients, and there is a risk of rupturing the esophagus. Also, there are a limited number of times you can do this and it is rather expensive. Is this right?
A. Yes it is temporary, doesn’t work for all patients, and it can be cost prohibitive for multiple treatments.
Decision – I might actually do this every now and then, but again, it is temporary.
Heller Myotomy/ POEM -
Q.POEM is the obvious choice if I decide to have this type of surgery. However, I’ve read feedback from others that had surgery and many are not happy with GERD, the need to take pills for GERD, or the fact they sometimes have even more issues with regurgitation from the stomach. To me it seems like your trading off one set of symptoms for another.
A. There are always side effects and the potential for the “cure” to not work as well as expected. However, there currently are no other options.
Decision – I would rather learn to live with Achalasia than have surgery at this point in my life.
As you can tell, I decided to not go with any of their options. Instead I’m living with Achalasia until I find it isn’t manageable. It has been over a year, and I’m not sorry at all I made this decision. Besides, they might come up with another option that works even better with fewer side effects in the next 10 plus years.
I eat small portions and chew very well. I swallow small bites and follow it with a drink of water to help prevent food getting built up in my esophagus. I also try to keep a healthy weight, and reduce stress. The other big thing is stop eating 4 hours before I go to sleep, and prop myself up if needed.
Good luck with your decision.
AlanJM ed95295
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I understand where you are coming from and how you work out what is best for you, but the other side of the coin was given to me be a surgeon who said that people who are treated at a younger age do have better outcomes, so I think sazo's wish to get treated with the best possible outcome is valid, regardless of age.
A lot of people his age do not have the fortune to get diagnosed and mistakenly get treated as if they have eating disorders and so on.
So if there is a chance of NOT having to put up with all this traumatic stuff.....
ed95295
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I changed my mind. I wish I had the surgery sooner. I've read that there is no financial or medical benefits to finding a better option than HM or POEM. Also, by delaying my esophagus is dilated/stretched which reduces the effectiveness of the surgery I just had, which was required since I couldn't swallow anything except soup.
AlanJM ed95295
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It is a dilemma isn't it! You have a really difficult condition to put up with, but in the short term you could just carry on because the surgery sounds scary and you do not know the outcome until after you have been through it. A good surgeon is normally the source of the best advice, and they spend quite a lot of their time trying to avoid surgery for patients who do not need it (yet). All other things being equal, the earlier things are tackled, the better. Hope you continue to make good progress
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