update. more help please
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Hi all.
Now into week 3 of coming off and this morning had the box in my hand ready to take a 37.5.
I can't describe this. Yesterday the worst head ever with terrible ringing in my ears, sleep did not help. Today i feel i have the worst hangover ever, my brain feels like its hitting my skull, my vision is blurred and i am exhausted. I thought i'd cracked it, obviously not. Anybody else had this?
Ian
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betsy0603 ian25191
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I came off ven last summer after a very fast taper and didn't realize I was in withdrawal because everything unraveled in a way such that I didn't make the connection, and I was taking tryptophan to try to replace the ven. I had cognitive issues first, confusion, horrible memory, unable to concentrate. I was also having horrible hot flashes and sweats at night to where my sheets were soaked, but since I am also menopausal, I blamed it on that! I also had heart palps and increased pulse, and burning skin sensations, but also blamed those on menopause. Many months out, I started having anxiety like I had never had before in my life, feelings of doom, incredibly frightful insomnia, and depression. This all culminated in my going on mirtazapine first, and when that didn't work, going back on ven. Within one hour of taking that first 37.5 mg, I had a complete lifting of my symptoms! I should have known that was because I was in WD, but even then I didn't figure it out! It was only after I met someone who was in AD WD that I finally realized what had happened.
So, the moral of the story is, the WD symptoms can keep changing and unfurling as the months go by, and your doc will try to convince you that you are relapsing and put you back on.
So, I am now doing a very slow taper, 10%/month of the previous dose. I would encourage you to reinstate 37.5 mg, stabilize, and then do the slow taper. You will save yourself a whole lot of suffering by doing so. There's nothing good about toughing this out. People end up with protracted WD that can last a couple of years, and be incredibly bad off, when they cold turkey; there really is no saving time by getting it over with fast and if anything you end up with a longer WD recovery than if you went slow.
There's a lot of info and support on the web with people who have been in the trenches advising you as you go. Do a search for surviving antidepressants and you will find what I mean. You are not alone and will be well cared for there. Hope to see you there!
ian25191 betsy0603
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betsy0603 ian25191
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Are you on the XR capsules with the little beads inside? Though tedious, I recommend counting how many beads are in a few different capsules, taking the average, and then removing 10% of the beads. Then, four weeks later, remove 10% of the 90%. 10% off the previous dose each month.
I actually bought a jeweler's scale that weighs milligrams and weighed the beads from several different capsules, and then took an average weight and began from there, weighing out 90% etc. The capsules are surprisingly variable in their weights, which is why removing 10% of the beads can get dicey; each day your dosage may fluctuate a bit. But, it's one way to start.
It will get more dicey the lower you go. The last five mgs can cause the biggest problems.
I know this sounds way too OCD, but the 10% method is what is advocated by the withdrawal groups to minimize suffering. The idea is that hopefully your nervous system will hardly notice the change each time you cut. Venlafaxine is known to be one of the worst withdrawal syndrome p-drugs out there.
I wish you luck no matter what you choose to do. Some additional tips are to take magnesium glycinate, especially before bedtime to help with sleep, and to take fish oil, especially high in DHA for brain healing.
mrself ian25191
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It can take months .
When I ever come of these drugs I take it so slowly my head and body would not notice .
Then eventually you realise the drop in yr dosage is low with no side effects .
Remember the higher the dose the longer to ween of them .
Bare with it .
warren29237 ian25191
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Know that the beads are all identical and the 150mg capsule just contains double the number of the 75mg capsule. Also you should stick to the same BRAND as you cannot assume other brand beads are equivalent.
I am not surprised that Betsy found variations when weighing. The maker tolerance could be +/- 15%.
betsy0603 warren29237
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The main thing is to be sure you are stable before doing another cut. If you are aware of a lot of WD symptoms, even mild, then it would not be prudent to go ahead and cut since that would exasperate WD symptoms.
When you think about the fact that your neurons have to make adjustments to a change in meds, by either adding or subtracting receptors, that takes time, doesn't happen in days but more like weeks, so give your body the time to adapt.
warren29237 betsy0603
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Another way to get the number of beads right is to spread them evenly over paper with squares on it and use e.g. a knife blade to select the beads on a number of squares corresponding to the desired dose.
Then fold the paper and funnel the excess back into the capsule for the same time next day. I don't think they should be left out in the air.
You can also fold paper and lay beads singly side by side along the groove and take (say) a centimetre.
Don't sneeze doing this. Those beads are very light.
betsy0603 warren29237
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warren29237 betsy0603
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In the case of venlafaxine the Efexor brand beads are consistent and I have verified that by sight and with the maker.
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Best of luck 👍👍👍
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