Concerned Daughter - Father's PSA High

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Hi, I am writing concerning my father. He is 56 years old and just had a PSA test done 2 days ago. His result came back 4.24. He does have symptoms of prostate problems, but so has his father. My father is very bad with going to the doctor annually and I begged him to go this year (I am currently a physician assistant student and am very supportive of preventative medicine).  Anyways, he's had 3 PSA tests within the past 6 years with the following results:

2011 - PSA 1.83

2013 - PSA 2.92

2017 - PSA 4.24

What concerns me is the rise in these values and as well as the most recent abnormal value.

My grandfather who is 84 (his father) has also had problems with his prostate.  From what my grandfather tells me, his PSA is 9 and he has had about 4 biopsies within the past 10 years which have all turned out negative for prostate cancer. So, I guess he has only been diagnosed as having an enlarged prostate.

I am currently seaching for a urologist for my father, since I want him to go to one regardless of what his GP says, but I was just looking for input on what other people may think about these values.

 

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    The 4.24 is not real high. Over 4.0 is the concern. Over the past several years, my PSA rose from 2.0 slowly until this past year when it reached 5.2. That is when my PCP sent me to a urologist. I was put on antibiotic to make sure there was no infection. It went down slightly, but not enough. I then got a biopsy which showed 2 out of 12 samples contained cancer cells. Fortunatley, they were small amounts and a slow growing non agressive type. I had time to do research. Your father may only have an infection, or prostatitus. With the reasonably low PSA, the outlook may not be so bad. If the urologist may want to do a biopsy and that will tell more. Treatment options are many. I had the low dose radiation seed implants (Brachytherapy) 11 months ago. I am pretty much back to where I was before this whole thing started. After 6 months after treatment, my PSA was at 0.15. I will go for my one year check up next month for another PSA check. The Brachytherapy is a one time treatment. Low dose radiation means there is less chance of damage to surrounding tissues - bladder and colon... so don't panic, your dad may be okay - but it is good to make sure. Just remember, if there is cancer, it is treatable and cureable. Good luck to you 

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      Thanks for your response. I am happy that prostate cancer is usually very treatable, but regardless it is still scary. I'm happy things have been going well for you.  I am making sure that my father goes to see my grandfather's urologist, since he is aware of the family history, despite there being (thankfully) no PC so far.  

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    I would be a little concerned, but the rise in PSA is most likely due to an enlarged prostate. If it were me I would get a PCA3 test done as this test only looks for cancer and isn't affected by an enlarged prostate. If his father had PC then his risk goes up, but being that he doesn't he isn't a high risk case. I have prostate symptoms as well and I am 48 years old. I have Inflamitory Bowel disease that causes inflamation in my entire colon and is worse right now in my rectum. I noticed in my case prostate trouble with the onset of IBD. So many things can cause an increase of PSA and it doesn't mean that it is cancer. The PCA3 test should help and if that test shows an issue then a 3T MRI can show any masses in the prostate, plus it means they can do a targeted biopsy rather than a poke and hope approach. 

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      Thanks for your response.  I will have my dad mention these to the urologist when he has an appointment scheduled.
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    Once you find a urologist ask the doctor to do a PSA 3 test. This is a non evasive test of basically urinating in a bottle. This will give an indication of prostate cancer.
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    Sounds as if the health system where you live can be trusted if your grandfather has had biopsies as a result of psa score of 9. Even if the psa score is that high eventually in your father's case, he may well not be in any imminent danger. I've lived with a diagnosis of cancer with no treatment for several years now. My PSA has stayed stable at around 8 for that time.

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    Hi

    As there is a steady rise in PSA readings it would be foolish to ignore.  I resisted myself till the reading was 4.5, I think, and eventually conceded that a visit to a specialist would be sensible.

    After a biopsy I was found to be positive for cancer  (Gleeson score 7).  As I was under 70 at the time I was eligible for robotic prostatectomy which I elected for and am pleased I did. Good luck with persuading your Dad.  My Dad also had prostate cancer.

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      Thanks for your response. We aren't ignoring this and I am having him go to my grandfather's urologist.  Thankfully, my grandfather was never diagnosed with prostate cancer, but the numbers are still concerning.

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    Hi karlee l Had my psa checked it had gone from 6 to 10.2 still showing no symptoms refered to prostate assessment clinic had prostate checked no visible signs,Dundee university doing trials for prostate cancer,sent for mri scan first then biopsy,results from normal biopsy (12)in number no cancer targeted ones from mri scan found cancer cells, glesan score 7,having op for prostate removed end of january
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      Im sorry to hear that. If you don't mind me asking, how long did it take for your numbers to go from 6 to 10.2?

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    The issue is whether the PSA is stable or is rising. And if it is rising, is it rising fast. The nominal PSA number is meaningless. Folk can have PCa with a PSA of 1 and can be free of cancer with a double digit PSA.

    may I ask where is your father? Australia? NZ? U.K.?

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      Yeah, from doing research I realized that the rising is the issue. It stinks that it's been 4 years since his last PSA so its hard to determine exactly how it has risen.  We are in the U.S. 

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      I know what you mean by not having a history of PSA measurements. I was in the same boat. Four years between tests.

      what you can do is monitor it now every three months.

      if you are in the US then I suggest you find listings of top urologists in your state and mosey on down to see him or her. You do not want someone whose greatest asset is that he is geographically close to you. You want a STAR as urological treatment - unlike some avenues of medicine - is serious and possibly life changing.

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      I think that is the norm for a younger man as I get tested every four years, but if I had it my way I wouldn't have it at all. I have wide spread inflamitory problems and it can increase PSA without having PC. I have to get another one done against my wishes next month and I can bet it is going to be high due to a flare that is on going. In my case PSA probably shouldn't be done instead I am going to ask my doctor for the PCA3 test instead. For anyone who doesn't have inflamitory diseases then it is a good idea. I think that PCA3 will eventually replace PSA as a PC screening test. This is my opinion and not medical advice, one must decide what is right for themself.

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      True, many things can influence the PSA and if your condition results in levels that are I unusually  high, then you must take that into account. You are not the first to realise when it comes to your health, you know more than your doctors.

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