frozen shoulders

Chickabee - my physico said the same, she told me that physio wouldn't help. However, she did know about

Hydrodilitation and i'm extremely grateful for that as the 10 minute procedure cured the pain in my second frozen shoulder within hours, infact the radiologist was moving my arm backwards and forwards as soon as I sat up!! The movement came back very quickly over a matter of weeks. I'm trying to spread the word on this as it really made the difference. I work for myself and type most of the day - the second frozen shoulder was my writing side, so as you can imagine, I wasn't looking forward to the perpetual discomfort.

Please tell me more about this hydro dilation. I don't like the steroid idea either but wonder what this is. Is it quite painful? How long does it last? Also where did you find "frozen's" advice?

Thanks.

Hi, I had occupational health today and saw a physio who was completely supportive..he gave me a letter to take straight to my GP to recommend I have a hydrodilation injection..I've not heard of that before today...I had a cortisone injection last July then a nerve block injection in August and neither helped so was told by hosp consultant, the physio and my GP that that was basically it, none of them mentioned hydrodilation, so fingers crossed my GP will support.. My pain stage is 9 months now..I found info about hydrodilation online..I will give anything ago to ease this pain..take care of your shoulders all of you..

Hello, am interested in knowing more about hydrodilitation Christine. Read a couple of write-ups on it, but

wonder if all technicians inject enough to rupture the joint capsule? Didn't like the sound of this, but if you

say it helped, then worth investigating.

Browner, am afraid you are as unenlightened as I about hydrodilitation...do try bringing it up on Google. You will find 'Frozen's advice' on this site, just keep scrolling down until you come to it...well worth a read.

Sam, good luck with your pursuit of Hydrodilation, but do read all about it first.

Chickabee

Chickabee/Browner64/Sam24327 - the radiologist is looking at an image of your arm as he carries out the procedure and how the injection is affecting your shoulder. Browner64 - it is slightly painful, but only for a few seconds as the pressure is applied and it is over very quickly. You feel relief immediately and it is permanent for most people, although I have heard of some needing a second injection. I had my hydrodilitation in September and haven't had an issue since. It was such a blissful relief after suffering so badly with the left shoulder, hence my keeness to share.

If you ask your GP to refer to a shoulder specialist, then they will definitely know about it. Good luck all

Thank you Christine,

Am waiting for an X-ray on my worst shoulder, so guess I could approach the GP about a referral when the

results are known. You have been most helpful.

Chickabee

Thanks so much for the info chickabee. The specialist I saw was doubtful it would work but said it was something they could try. Perhaps I will research it more. So glad you are pain free!,

Hi,

Just one question to the ones that already had a frozen shoulder in the past. How did you feel when your shoulder started thawing???Did you have any pain, did it feel numb, how exactly did it feel?

Hi Judith,

Am not personally at the 'thawing' stage as yet, so still have pain on movement. This is just about

bearable without the need for analgesia, so I guess it is well on the way to thawing. Nights are by far the worst for discomfort, but since following 'Frosty's' advice, about propping up the head of the bed and

putting a pillow under both arms (I have it in both shoulders), this at least allows some sleep...albeit

fitful. A friend did have some numbness in her shoulder, but she'd had surgery on hers, so there might

have been nerve damage from surgical intervention. From what I can gather, it affects people in different ways according to what type of damage is done. Have you had an ultrasound scan? The GP will be able to arrange this for you, to see what the damage is, and advise you. Physiotherapists have very detailed

training and healing really got underway when I started having physio treatment (though not on the NHS).

May I suggest reading all the messages on this site...it will show how different each person's experience is...and some good tips, especially from 'Frosty'.

Keep trying everything that makes sense to you...and trusting things will improve.

All the best

Chickabee

How do I find "frosty" on here without going through the whole site. Computer work is painful for me

Thanks

Hi Browner,

If you sign in - search 'frozen shoulder' - and click on the page headed 'most helpful', you will find 'Frosty' is the first message you come to.

Hope this is helpful and not too painful for you.

Chickabee

Thanks Chickabee and everyone at this forum. I'm so desperate to find the beginning of the end on this process. Im living a nightmare, since always on the hip gets under diagnose. I do suffer from frozen hip. I just walk everywhere with a pain in my face. Is basically frozen shoulder the diference is I step on it everytime I want togo anywhere/

Is strange that nobody replies yet to the the other discussion frozen hip. I do not wish this to any one. Thia is just a terrible, depresing frustrating condition. I sit in my bed and cry of pain and frustration.

I just wanted to know how is the feeling to the beginning of the end.

Thanks everyone. A quick recovery and the best for all.

Hi Judith,

I completely sympathise with you. Yes, apparently there is such a thing as 'frozen hip'. I had always thought my hip pain was due to arthritis, but since it comes and goes after periods of pain and discomfort in each hip, I then assumed it was an acute phase of chronic arthritis. I had an X-ray once when it was so bad I could hardly walk, but the result showed no arthritic changes, so all along this was probably frozen hip! The only comfort I can give you Judith, is that of anti-inflammatory treatment, and when in bed, trying to lay as straight as you can, allowing the hip to be in it's natural position of rest...without the pressure of body weight on it. I find, if I raise the head and foot of the bed to relieve the shoulder pain and swollen feet, then the hip inevitably flares up again, so these days, I have to alternate nightly posture. Anti-inflammatory treatment takes a while to kick in, so do persevere (but take good care to take the pills with food so as not to upset the stomach). Also try to favour the hip by using the other leg to take the strain when it is really bad. I used to worry about giving the dog enough exercise when in so much pain, but I swallowed my pride and purchased an electric buggy, so now, make a point of using the buggy for the second walk of the day. The dog trots beside it quite happily!

Take good care of yourself Judith...and never give up hope of recovery. Read all you can and choose your options wisely.

God bless

Chickabee

I dont know if my previous post was posted, but I will repeat anyway, what I said before:

I'm 50, and my 1st FS is about at 90% after about 32 months.

I suffered with the first one a lot. I had no clue what it was, and as a still active athlete, I just kept going thinking I had a small lesion, and that after a few weeks of rest, it would go away. Well, we all know that it didnt, and it doesnt.

So, I did Physical Therapy. My doctor, a really good orthopedic surgeon, said, surgery should only be done in really bad cases. And I agree. I have read and heard stories, that surgery may only worsen you. Besides, you will also get visible scares. The body will heal on it's own. No matter what, it is painful.

I had some cortecoid shots the first time, but got super speeded from them, and they are not healthy. For a guy, we can lose our hair. So this time, I chose not too. Plus, I read other peoples experience here, and thought it wouldnt help heal.

So, eventually it did heal. My first FS took a while. Lots of ice, electrobes (TENS device) hooked up, ultrasound, massage and stretching.

And it worked.

Now on my 2nd frozen shoulder, which started 4 months ago, I think I can say that it is starting to already "thaw". But I have done the following and I want to share what I have learned, because I think there still isnt a cure for us, so we have to try different things and see what works. So I did my research. I want to share, because I also learned from others and feel maybe I can help as well.

In the last few weeks, I have gotten better and I have done the following:

Diet

- Stopped taking my multivitamin. It has calcium, and we dont want that.

- Taking Magnesium supplements

- Taking Tumerica (it's a spice) supplements

- Eating raw ginger.

- I bought a multi function TENS device, which stimulates the areas of interest. Before you use it on yourself, you should have either had your PT use it on you, or look up on Youtube to follow others usage techniques.

- I bought a portable ultrasound device off of amazon. I also use it.

- I apply ice, 2-3 times a day (Actually use those NexCare, blue, ice packs)

- Hot hot showers.

- Massage it. Either you or find someone. But be careful.

Ah, and finally, buy an Elastic Band. Learn the different movements (Youtube has a lot of vids). Only use it to where the pain starts and add a little more everyday or so to your routine. NO OVERDOING! Take it easy. We only recover in baby steps, so no need to pressure yourself.

Stop all activity that gives you pain, like carry bags, briefcases, suitcases, etc. No lifting! Sports activity should avoid all contact sports or lifting. Runners, be careful. I also run, but only on "good" days.

Take something to help your muscles relax before bedtime, like Xanax, because sleeping is torture, and I know for sure, that we all get setbacks because of our sleeping. We sleep on it, and we are regressing in our healing. But my relaxing your muscles, you can get a better night sleep, which we all need, always.

Hope these techniques work. I think they have for me.