GERD after POEM or Heller Myotomy with Fundoplicaiton
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Hi all.
My name is Lisa and I'm trying to decide between POEM, which I'll have to pay for, and a Heller Myotomy with fundoplication although I need to ask which type of fundo my hospital practices. I'm interesteed in hearing your experiences with either surgery, especially regarding GERD afterwards. Basically, are you on GERD meds, do you have GERD symptoms and how badly? Based on my research, its seems that although most doctors assume POEM patients will have more GERD, but they often don't since the muscles aren't divided as much as in the Heller Mytotomy. My doc, who doesn't do POEM, thinks that POEM is setting yourself up with a lifetime of GERD.
It's my understanding that POEM patients go home on GERD meds and then are weaned off to see if they still need them. Is this true? Also, for those of you who had a Heller myotomy with fundo. What type of fundo did you have and what is your post-op GERD expeience?
Thank you for any info you can offer in advance.
Some info from http://www.asge.org/uploadedFiles/Publications_and_Products/POEM_PIVI.pdf:
"Dor fundoplication was found to be less effective that Toupet or Nissen fundoplication in controlling postoperative reflux, but Toupet and Nissen fundoplication was associated with higher rates of postoperative dysphagia."
Lisa
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AlanJM LisaMod
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I think you need to be careful about comparing different experiences, because each patient is different, and the problems might be occurring higher up in the oesophagus for some, which would mean that the myotomy would be longer / different. I am not sure how POEM copes with combatting reflux afterwards. There is not a 'wrap' as such.
The surgery generally does make a significant difference for 80%+ of patients. But you need always afterwards to continue to be careful about stress and tension levels. The surgery may, or may not cure spasms. The longer you leave it, the more likely it is that your oesophagus may become 'baggy' and less receptive to surgery in the future.
monica1676 LisaMod
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with fundo. So far so good. Where I am in Canada it was that or
botox. I keep Zantac with me just in case and have had one mild
attack of acid reflux on a nearly empty stomach. Which fundo I
had was not discussed with me.
AlanJM monica1676
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abigail66654 LisaMod
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If you go to the Mayo Clinic they perform \the POEM with I had the POEM on April 15th so about a month ago. There seem to be two schools of thought if you go to the Cleveland Clinic or my Doctor at Allegheny they do it without fundoplication and then put you on GERD meds which you are weaned off of. About 70% of the time that works unless you are like me, my tests showed Type 2 however when they got in they discovered i was advanced stage Type 1 and had to go the full 10 CM so i have had some problems with Acid reflux and they may go back in and do a fundoplication. If you go to the Mayo Clinic they perform POEM with fundoplication. I think every case if different and you have to do what is right for you. I did a lot of research before going with POEM and i don’t regret my choice. It is less invasive that the Heller, I think you are less prone to infection and it leaves other treatment options open to us. After all it is not a cure it is a treatment and different people will have different outcomes. Finally for what it is worth when they had me on the table with the endoscope, that was when they realized just how serious a case I was my esophagus was a crumpled mess and they are still trying to figure out why my symptoms overall were not much worse for much longer. The only conclusion they could come to was that I had slowly over the years changed my diet and manner of eating so that until the regurgitation and difficulty swallowing became severe I just had coped without being fully aware of what was happening to me.
I wish you the best of luck and outcomes.