Just been diagnosed

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After going opticians and being told I got dry eyes and going to dentist and being asked have you got dry mouth,,,and my hands going white when I cold.. I decided to google these symptoms.. I visited my gp who did blood test and sent me to see consultant for rheumatology... She diagnosed with sjorgens .. Am due to go back for results..  Thankgod I found this forum.. I came from hospital with very little knowledge.. Scared .. 

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    Don't be scared Glenys. I have had SS 32 years and only found this forum this year. You are ahead of many others in thsat you seem to have been diagnosed quickly and conclusively, and with the more "traditional" SS symptoms. Others on this forum seem to have much more widespread symptoms OR unclear diagnosis, or both. You are also at an advantage in that it sounds like your medical "team" are on the ball. This is crucial, and if ever you feel they are not taking things seriously or responding quickly to changes in symptoms then take charge and ask for new referrals. You MUST take extra care of your mouth and teeth. So glad your dentisit immediately suspected dry mouth and not what i had initially with "you must be doing something wrong with eating or cleaning", so you are in a relatively good space which is something to be grateful for. A word of warning, and i hope nobody takes this too personally, you will read some very scary and confusing posts here. Some people have extreme symptoms which is a huge worry for them, but if you dont currently have them, please do not expend energy on anxiety about the future. It may not happen to you. Also, some people assign every health symptom they experience to SS, and this simply isn't necessarily so. They may just have more than 1 health issue. Every twinge isn't SS. In my case the symptoms I started with 32 years ago of dry mouth and dry eyes remain my only SS symptoms. They have progressed and i have adapted my treatments and behaviours, but Ihave not expanded into other possible symptoms. I hope this is also the case for you and wish you all the best for a great life living with SS.

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    Interesting example again of how the patient does the research and puts the symptoms together and reaches a conclusion. If you hadn't done that Glenys I'd wager that no-one else would have for a long time.......so well done! We do have to be proactive in our health.

    Please let us know when you get your results, meanwhile post any questions that you have as there are others here who will support you.

     

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      Thankyou megheart  I will take on board what everyone has said.. And will definitely let you know how I get on.. 
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    Hello Glenys,

     

    I too just found this forum on Sjogren’s.  I have had Sjogren’s for several years now.  It seems most people have just what you have, dry eyes, dry mouth, maybe the “Raynaud’s”...white/blue fingers/toes when cold.  Which I too have.  Others like myself have many other symptoms that come along with it.  They will probably start you off with a medication called Plaquenil.  It is a good one if you can take it.  I could not, as it caused damage to my eyes in the first three months, they took me off of it right away.  It is very rare though, as most people never have this problem.  My mother takes it for Lupus, and her eyes are fine.  You must be seen every 3 months at first by your Ophthalmologist.  If your eye specialist is not covered by insurance, this will be due to it being a medical condition.  I use artificial tears daily to help with my eyes, and I chew sugar free gum all day long, and drink water all day long.  I go to the dentist twice a year, and my husband and dentist call me their mad flosser, or flossing queen, as this is the only thing that will save our teeth...along with brushing at the very least, twice a day, and I do more.  I may get old, but I refuse to be an old toothless lady!  LOL  So FLOSS!!!  My Dentist will ask me this before I even sit down...”Are you still flossing?”  I always say Of Course I am!!  Without saliva, bacteria grows, and disease will just take over, and fast!  I am doing everything I can, or at least I think I am, but sometime I hurt so bad, and I am so sick of all of these meds.  It does tend to dry out our joints as well...which can be very painful, but I also have Rheumatoid Arthritis, so my bones and joints are always hurting, they just hurt a bit more with this.  I also have been having problems with my adrenals and kidneys due to this...after a while, it starts to attack our organs, and that is scary!   I am on Prednisone, and was on Methotrexate.  I am not on it right now, as it really caused a lot of problems.  It is so toxic, it was damaging my stomach and my liver.  I have to wait until all that is calmed down, before we can try another medication to help me.

     

    Well now that I have really frightened you...NOT everyone gets this bad, as you will see from others as they respond to your posts.  But it can be a serious thing, so it is important to stay on top of things.  Make sure you go to your RA doctor regularly, and be watchful of any new symptoms, and tell the doctors as they come up.  Take Vit E, B6 and B12, and what ever else your doctors tell you to take.  A really good multi vit too!  It is really important to support our immune systems, because it is now compromised with this!  Keep your doctor appointments!  Read the posts here, and listen to what the people have to say.  It is all important for you to understand now.  It really is not just a silly name.  I had no idea what I was in for in the beginning!!  But, there are new studies, and new information out there to help us.  There is no cure yet, but that doesn’t mean there won’t be soon. 

     

    I hope you will have the mild effects of it like most, but use the artificial tears for you eyes, chew gum, floss and brush.  Invest in warm gloves and socks for the times when your hands and feet get cold.  Even soak them in warm water if needed.  (this works nicely when you are home)   Try not to be too scared!  Chances are, you will not have the same advanced things I have.  My immune system was already compromised with the RA, and now they think I have the Lupus on top of it all.  Just kind of crazy!   

     

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      You mentioned Reynauds and white fingers/toes when cold - i only get that in 1 particular finger (the same one for some years) - would that be diagnosed as reynauds or does it need to be more widespread that that?
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      Hi Jennifer,  I honestly don't know, but a good question for your doctor next time you see them.  Mine involves all my fingers and toes, and they turn anywhere from white to a lovely shade of purple.  Such strange things!

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      Thankyou for replying... I suffered rheinards for a few years, only affected a couple of fingers but lately I find it affects both hands.. Not suffered with my toes.. 
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      Thankyou deidra for replying, i was advised by my dentist to have good oral hygiene, but unfortunately I have had oral thrush  a couple of times.. I brush my teeth 2/3 times a day and rinse inbetween with mouth wash..I too take vitamins.. Was prescribed by the hospital vitamin d and take well woman multi vitamins and omega 3.. Will certainly look at get vit e and b6 and b12.. Thankyou again.. 
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      Hi Jennifer,

      To answer your question to Deidra about Raynaud's. As far as I know, the diagnosis would be the same even if only one finger was involved. It's the appearance that counts, rather than the extent.

      It was actually instrumental in my getting an SS diagnosis. I'd been getting Raynaud's for a year or so but hadn't bothered to mention it to my GP as I knew what it was and that it was part of SS anyway. At that time I still hadn't had a diagnosis of any kind but had a pretty good idea this was SS. However, knowing doctors as I do, I realised that asking whether it might be SS was a pretty good way of never getting diagnosed. (They don't like patients arriving with ready-made diagnoses, even if they turn out to be right.)

      Then one day, on a routine visit, SS still never having been mentioned by either of us, I managed to pull a really spectacular attack of Raynaud's. All four fingers on my left hand, with a clear-cut line across them. It was sheer serendipity! I casually held out my hand and said: "Oh! Look what just happened!" She glanced at my hand, said it was Raynaud's, it was down to old age and there was nothing to be done about it. I think that counts as a diagnosis.

      The one good thing about this incident was that she added the test for anti-salivary gland antibodies on the blood form she was filling in at the time. She didn't say a word about this or mention SS, but I noticed it when glancing through the form afterwards. When I took it to my local polyclinic I made a point of asking for a copy of the report myself, and saw the antibodies were high. I didn't see her again for another year, but next time I went I took the blood report with me and asked her - all innocent - what the raised antibody levels meant. I hasten to add that this was 10 years after my first symptoms, and in the interim I'd frequently mentioned my dry mouth, dry eyes, peripheral neuropathy and aching joints - only to have her put them all down to "old age". She said: "Oh, didn't I tell you? You probably have Sjogren's syndrome. It's an obscure auto-immune condition but it won't do you any harm." She then agreed to refer me to a rheumatologist, who did the tests and confirmed the diagnosis.

      To return - finallyrolleyes - to the point of this story, you don't really need a diagnosis of Raynaud's unless the condition is becoming unmanageable. In very rare cases it can threaten the integrity of fingers and toes but this is almost unknown and usually only happens in people who had it start when they were very young and who have frequent, severe episodes. These are the only cases where medical treatment - usually with calcium-channel blockers - is necessary. Most of us just get by with making an effort to keep our extremities warm in cold weather, avoiding long-term immersion in cold water etc. And of course, smoking is a major cause of Raynaud's in primary cases and will make it worse if it's secondary to SS. This is because nicotine causes peripheral vasoconstriction.

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    Hi Glenys,

    I'd like to echo what several people - particularly Jennifer - have said. SS varies incredibly from one person to the next, and also within the same individual. I've had it for 22 years though, like most people, it took me 10 years to get a diagnosis.

    My symptoms over the years have been dry eyes and mouth, peripheral neuropathy (tingling in hands and total loss of sensation in one big toe at one point), joint pains, tendon pains, underactive thyroid and Raynaud's. Like you, I only ever get it in one hand, and usually only the index finger, though it has occasionally affected all the fingers on that hand.

    The rheumatologist will definitely prescribe something for you - probably Plaquenil (hydroxychloroquine) to start with. However, you are not obliged to take this if you don't want to. It is true that SS can progress to serious organ damage in a tiny minority of cases but this is extremely rare. For the majority of us it's little more than a nuisance. Don't forget that any forum devoted to a particular disease is likely to attract the people most affected by it, so you will read some scary stories here.

    I've never taken any medication for SS. I only saw a conventional (as opposed to homeopathic) rheumatologist once, just out of interest. I knew what the medication options were before I went (I'm a former nurse) and knew that I wouldn't take any of them unless my symptoms got very disabling or I was at risk of organ damage. I'm not saying no one should be on medication. For some people on these boards they make life bearable. However, no medications come without side-effects, so it's always wise to weigh up the risks against the benefits. Sometimes, especially in the early days, watchful waiting and responsible management is preferable to jumping in with a chemical sledge hammer. You can always start the medications later on if you need them.

    In my case, SS regularly goes into remission. By this I don't mean I have no symptoms at all during remission periods, but that they become barely noticeable. It also has a tendency to wander around my body, and I rarely have more than one or two symptoms (in serious form, that is) at the same time. In fact, all my symptoms were at their worst in the first few years. Either that or I don't notice them any more!biggrin No, they really were worse. Big, painful sores at each corner of my mouth that cracked open and bled every time I opened my mouth to eat, one attack of conjunctivitis after another because of the dry eyes etc. Yet I haven't had any of that for 20 years now, in spite of having mildly dry eyes and mouth most of the time. I can honestly say I feel better now, at age 72, than I did when it first started.

    The only organ damage I've suffered is a hit to my thyroid gland. You'll need to make sure that your doctors include thyroid function on blood tests at least once a year, and immediately if you notice you're losing an abnormal amount of hair. The thyroid is particularly sensitive to auto-immune diseases like SS and SLE. The good news is that an underactive thyroid is dead easy to treat - you just pop one or two pills of L-thyroxine (synthetic thyroid hormone) ever morning for the rest of your life and end of problem. And thyroxine not being strictly a medication, it has no side-effects after the first few weeks.

    You're obviously the sensible, pulled-together type who's going to manage this condition with no problems. And we're all here if you have any questions. You'll get conflicting advice from us as to medication, of course, but I'm sure you'll be able to navigate all that!

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      Thankyou Lilly for replying.. I am so glad I found this forum.. I had googled my systems and visited the gp and told him I think I have this syndrome.. He said we will do some tests and referred me to rheumatology consultant.. She just gave me leaflet and that was it... Am due to be seen again in few weeks.. My hands and joints did swell but have now settled down,, but I have had a chest infection which has taken me a while to get over... Thankyou once again for you message.. I now know what to expect on my next visit.. 
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      Hi Lily, 

      You have no idea how lucky you are to have little to no problems with this SS!!  I have had it for a few years...or I should say diagnosed for sure, for a few years.  I am 61, and I have had auto immune problems since I was in my 20's.  I was constantly having issues with swelling joints, and painful!  It took so long for them to figure it out.  So by the time they did, there was already damage going on.  So I did a lot of ignoring of every "little twinge" and to my detriment.  My doctors asked me "WHY" didn't I mention this to them long before.  I told them "I didn't want to bother them with every little thing...we all have aches and pains." Well, I might not be in the situation I am in now, had I opened my mouth to my doctors back then, or at least not as bad as I am now.  So, it is very important to tell our doctors when our ittle twinges come up, and let them decide what is important and what is not.  They are the doctors...

      I am so glad you don't have the bad side of this, you really have no idea how lucky you are!  I would not wish this on anyone!  And yes, the meds are awful, but when you are in pain, and your organs are being damaged to the point of not functioning, one must take them so as to try not to have something really awful happen. 

      I have wonderful doctors that take really good care of me.  Not so much in the begining.  But thankfully now I do.  And they are all working together to make life workable.  It also affects the bones and joints, makes fighting the RA more difficult. I am thankful to also have a good friend that is a RN that helps me with information, and she works along side one of my doctors. 

      I am one not to complain about my health to my family or friends.  I can hold a lot of pain, and believe me, I have for many, many years.  I don't walk around saying oh poor me, as I know there are people that are a lot worse off than I.  I hold everything inside.  So, when I found this forum, and found others like me, it just started pouring out.  I am sorry if I offended anyone, or frightened anyone.  But people should know this is not someithing to be made light of either.  It is not just about dry mouth and dry eyes, it can be quite serious, even if it is not an every day thing for others.  I wish for you, and everyone on here to never have to go through this!!  To say it is unpleasant is an understatement!  Of course, no one should panic, they may never have it as bad!  But, they should also know what can happen if not kept an eye on as well.  If ignored too long...a person can really be in for quite a surprise!   God's Blessings to you!

       

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      Deidra, In my experience it's not so much that I'm one of the lucky ones as that you're one of the unlucky ones. Even on these self-selecting forums there aren't too many people who've been as unlucky as you. (Self-selecting is a statistical term, as I'm sure you know, not a judgemental expression.)

      I feel desperately sorry for you and anyone else who's suffering badly, especially that poor lady called Zee who came in recently and only has 16% renal function. That's a terrible state to be in. People like you obviously need to be on medication, and I've always stated that very clearly.

      We all come here to talk about our own views and experiences. No one should be going around categorically advising others to ignore their symptoms or not to take medication when it's necessary, and as far as I know, no one is. But I'm sure you'd agree it's helpful for new sufferers to hear both sides of the story. We should warn them of what can happen in the most extreme case, but avoid scaring them unduly while giving them an overview of all their options.

      As for making light of it - well, I did actually try to bring it to my doctor's attention for 10 years, but without success, and even when she finally diagnosed SS she told me it was nothing!wink Then again, just as you're an example of someone who ignored her symptoms and got worse, I'm equally an example of someone who simply managed (rather than ignored) her symptoms and didn't get any worse.

      I think the age at which SS (or any other autoimmune condition) starts has a lot to do with it. Yours started in your 20s so had plenty of time to develop. My first - and worst-ever - attack of rheumatoid arthritis didn't strike till I was in my mid-30s. I was severely disabled for a couple of weeks at the height of the attack but was fortunate enough to find an excellent homeopathic rheumatologist who cured me completely. (This in a country where homeopaths have to be qualified doctors and trained in any speciality they lay claim to.) I had no further symptoms of any kind till my first SS symptoms kicked in 15 years later. So you see, I'm only about 20 years down the line, as opposed to your 40. I take care of my health, as we all must, but I don't have any symptoms that would necessitate taking medication, with the exception of thyroid hormone. This is true for many of us on these forums and, I suspect, the even greater number of SS sufferers who don't feel sufficiently troubled by their condition to even join a forum.

      I really do sympathise with those who are suffering badly, as I'm sure we all do, and I'm sure you didn't offend anyone - certainly not me! This is what forums of this kind are for.

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