What is your worst flare experience?
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I'm not sure if I've had my worst flare of IBS or food poisoning?
I woke up, I'd had a sore tummy prior, cramps and gas.
But when I went to the toilet i was in awful pain like someone was stabbing my insides with a hot poker stick.
Only three tiny poops came out full of mucus.
Then about 30 minutes later after I ate, I had a full on attack, I had to run to the bathroom, it wasn't diaherroa but it was thin snake like poop and lots of it but the cramps were killing me, I was sweating, and sore, I couldn't breathe. Then after about 30 minutes I felt I could hop of the toilet then after eating a plain banana - it happened all over again, terrible cramps, snake like poop. Yesterday was one of the worst days I've ever experienced, I then had an awful headache, and couldn't eat for fear of explosive poop.
I managed to eat rice and a baked potato for dinner with no ill effect.
Does this sound like IBS?
I went to the Dr and of course he's perplexed.
He said could be IBS could be food poisoning!
Not sure what will happen today as I've just woken up - going to eat rice for breakfast and maybe I should cut back on the coffee and bread oh and pasta.
Anyone experienced anything similiar?
I'm at my wits end with IBS!
Thank you x
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Sounds like it. Pain is brutal but I also have divertivulosis. So I never really know. It dounds like you are having constipation. Maybe you need a cleanser or laxative or stool softener.
Vivian
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If GI is correct, some hand massage in a circular motion "might" help.....start from your appendix area, gradually and lightly (don't press) run your hand up the ascending, transverse, and descending colon.....don't over do it...just a minute or two (some tap their fingers in the concerned area) ...I suspect youll find it "tender/sensitive" on your descending colon even when you are not experiencing discomforts in this area. I use fermented foods and probiotics in an attempt to rebalance bacteria. And while waiting for further liver investigation, I'd try using milk thistle 100mg pre bedtime.
Liver is our primary filter...between it and the kidneys they metabolize everything...keep them "clean"...only clear, fresh, filtered water. In summary, suspect you know most of the above..so perhaps this is a friendly reminder. Here, upper and lower scopes are Not done within the same centers but ours are nearby...upper endoscopy center and colonoscopy center.
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You've had endoscopy revealing Gastritis..biopsy taken to rule oOut HPylori?
You might consider either DGL lozenges or Slippery Elm,..G patients use either, some take 15 minutes pre each meal, while others only after meals the moment "troubles begin"..Depending on cause, if possible, some simple protocols have shown complete recovery. I am biased..do not suggest PPI's except during the
Various HP treatments. Bismuth instead..not liquid but lozenge.
I almost failed chemistry..but. can comprehend numbers..if stomach acid normals are between 1 -2 PH..and PPI's can elevate to almos 7PH...know well the Salmonella Toxin survives atj 3.7PH,
Personally won't take the risk. Good luck with the colon scope,I prefer the "virtual colonoscopy" but its a battle with those who must pick up the tab...and the standard scope here is done by a
GI, thus can do only biopsy and polyp snipping..So I'd miss these two procedures if I have polyps..then hopefully they would be located in the sigmoid..sigmoidoscopy works for me vs a full invasive exploration with risks of perforation. But we cannot always win our battles, must make a choice..do the fast and prep best possible, tell GI "Guido" in the pin stripe suit is outside waiting ..
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You didn’t err re cm vs mm…was my error typing cm’s…had been doing a ton of Measurements and without a thought..bingo typed cm vs mm, while knowing the Spot was mm and not cm.
Some recent collaborative discoveries by Manchester and US Researchers regarding “signals to and from bone marrow via the gut flora” towards M1 and M2. (M1 is our immune inflammatory response to an insult, and M2 is our anti inflammatory response). Quite a turnabout…most scientists have been convinced the monocytes two opposing actions i.e. “Protect (M1) or “Repair” (M2) were chosen at the insult site. But, signals from our gut bacteria to the bone morrow is what programs the appropriate action.Science Daily june 2015 “how a gut feeling for infection programs our immune response”
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I gathered you knew more than most med students....excellent you've obtained a biopsy of the duodenum....for others..the PH is greater there than any other location in the stomach...and this is where bad guys hang.
I'll try and post some additional info a tad latter...your headed for11pm......and I've an appointment...
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Based on your stated symptoms plus gastritis, you have gastroparesis. No meds needed just savy the process of food (chyme) at the bottom of your stomach, not transiting to your duodenum quickly. Smaller meals, easy digestive foods, etc. Together we can program remedy for your gastritis..can I assume "mild gastritis"?
While at LE, pick up some pure glutamine. But don't take untill
you have biopsy results..re adequate dosage..and do not open, it oxidizes quite rapidly.4 to 6 gm probably x 2 or 3 daily..to accelerate healing although oncologists use to combat the nasty
Chemo side effects, and bodybuilders use as well, rapid recovery post workouts. My thoughts are to stop any gastritis progression, and get lining back to normal as rapidly as possible...do not traumatize..too hot, too cold, spicy,full, don't compress, like bending down to tie shoe laces with anything yet in your stomach..includes picking up heavy stuff..sleep more favorably to your left side. Your dr suspected B overgrowth..hopefully no meds.needed, good quality probiotics,fermented vegetables and dairy.ie kifer and yogurts..as tolerable..small amounts often. Lab assay results may take a week. There are a few protocols for b overgrowth..would prefer to have lab results before making suggestions.
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You mentioned
1. Blood work done for HP?…this isn’t a good marker…UBT, Fecal assay, and gold standard Biopsy. Researchers use UBT from Mongolia to downtown NY…or Miami…and you’ve a heck of a good Research team in Miani…Neurology (my interest).
2. Systemic Fungus..only experience is with HIV. (C.Albians)
3. Epodidimitis, thanks…a quick look at my uro junks…could not find… what about DRE?..(along with some serious questions) of any value?
4 Your descriptive symptoms…Gastroparesis Ann is on target...it is common with Gastritis, almost a sure thing. btw, Ann told me she is most comfortable with you since its rare to find medically literates, and those who are "not" fish without a hook or a net...Nick
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PPI's skew everything..and regardless of the thousands of studies, there are too many implications since we are Not all Identical twins.
A CT with contrast should reveal diverticulitis..and for sure frustrations with MD's when their treatments don't work or when your too savy...and they do misdiagnose...even PHD's have conclusions in their own studies that are the mere opposite...haven't a clue who "edits" them . Will get back to you soon...will start with your pressing gas/pain issue. Ann
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am taking a 2 hour break...assisting an Asian female with a dry cough "hack", slight fever 99.2 and BP is elevated at 160/80 normal 110 60 has a white tongue (not thrush)....slim and 60's plus a non compiant type with anything "western"..a fa lun dafa practioner, (bacterial infection...possibly from dental work?)
Off to a CBC...and a "Dex" mini trial for cough...go from there.
and another Asian (Micronesian) young female mom with Migraine/cluster headaches along with a few other things (hormonsl at the center ..most likely).......compliant...whew...
Need some help...am confused. I thought your BM movements were almost normal with the exception of being soft vs hard?
The Ducolax if I'm not mistaken irritates the lining and allows for more water fecal absorption
....therefore increased frequency? and you are again correct..not to depend on them. If they have given you relief, then are you thinking your peristalsis (motility) is out of whack? and if so why? if if?
Don't have your current vitals along with medicatons/supplements etc. so I'm fishing a lot..you can pm with vitals should you think necessary.
And if your seeing UnDigestives in your stools...back to gastritis and gastroparesis, perhaps some bacterial/fungal overgrowth, an small orchestra?
Ann
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Wow, I missed your posting re toe/toenail fungus, and HIV fear...and the stress that must have been...if you yet have the fungus...ACV and a good antiseptic mouth wash..50 50, soak 15 mins...dry....vicks around and under nail to keep new spores from entering, sofening the tissue around the nail as a preventive as well. takes time, but better than the antifungal drugs, as they can do far more harm than the fungus.
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He wanted to put a net cam to monitor/supervise workers, but neither the owner nor tenant wanted to take the time to configure it in spite of its simplicity, so we did photos, before, during and after..was a PIA working with some educated idiots, better would have been 12 year olds.
What he didn’t know about a specific problem area, I usually did, and vice versa although he knew much more. His Japanese wife of 50 years travels to Yokohama annually for an evaluation (free) to rule out Gastric Cancer…Hpylori induced peptic ulcer is known to progress to GC… was at one time almost epidemic in Japan. Japan is the only country that is very serious about eradication of this bacteria. All citizens who have, have had, HP or PU get screened either semi or annually. The governments wide dissemination of diet information has dramatically reduced GC, my last understanding is the reduction of salt intake, the increase of lactic acid fruits/vegetables and fermented dairy, has contributed to the reduction. His wife did not have HP.
I have changed my study time and hours in MND as a consequence of the Manchester/USNIH discovery…It has implications that I want to study.. and want time to condense the info into “what if?”…so 2 hours of study, 1 hour of digestion and some hypothesizing…
Re two live Asians, I have some support from both husbands…”invaluable”..one is a major troubleshooter for the RR…the other a farmer…both equally helpful. We were fortunate to help remedy IBS in the daughter of the older gal…and was in spite of her husband…a r and d microbiologist quality control engineer….but he was the one who called me for help with his mother in law. (knock on wood…the Dex is working..or seems to be, cough has been reduced by 70% or more….but like your ducolax..must wait as things can change.
With your vitals being good and above average for your symptoms…
Lets assume your current condition is digestive imbalance based on all symptoms meds, and test results thus far.
mild gastritis, upper endoscopy confirmed
Gastroparesis, a guess, based on experience and stool content appearance
Motility…stomach, small and large intestines…overall symptoms of
Peristalsis dysfunction
Let me know if you agree and/or add to the 3….possible/probable causes we will do next. I cannot at this time connect any of your other test result abnormalities to your current condtion…i.e. kidney/liver/cyst etc.
I don’t think epididymitis is directly connected but your spot on re the antibiotics. Ann
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SSRI's are infamous for causing fatty liver...and benzo's (benzodiazepines) are infamous for bipolar. Neither of them ever "cure" only calm and can produce good feelings...it was at one time the drug of choice to control physical bad behavior in your hosptial lock up wards.
Anxiety is a reaction, and the reaction can cause havoc, ,mentally and physically. Recall a receptionist in a dr's office who would advise her MD if a new patient was type A or B...merely by observation. watching their constant looking at the clock, around the room..their feet sometimes wouldn't stay put or they had some trouble with the arm rests...compared to those who were more fixed and calm. While my real strong interest is within neurology...I don't have the experience in anxiety disorders...There is a connection to anxiety within the Manchester/USNIH discovery...brain..gut...organ...feedback loop.
A possibility, resolving your digestive issues could resolve some or all of your anxiety but habit could be a wildcard. My brother often would use "humor" to deal with anger and fear...I just take the advice of a 94 year old Irish lady who told me: why let others cause you problems, and if you worry, is that your intellect telling you its therapudic? Come, lets have a wee nip...Cutty or CC? She lost 2 husbands 1 in WWII Japan, and another to cancer...and at 78 lost her only daugher with 2 teen children to a botched brain tumor op. And I oftten visited her until I found she had signs of AD...called her brother and sister and suggested they needed to get her into a care facility preferably very near themselves...which they did. She passed away shortly after a fall in the shower, fractured her hip, losing her mobility and her lust for life. At 87 she was sued "big time"...I witnessed a deposition , and she was "cool hand Luke", after all had departed but her attorney,he stated..".I've never been more impressed by any client in my career, your one adroit lady", about a month later, the other party dropped the suit. Most of my friends could not have been able to deal with the stress's this woman faced in her senior years without big time drugs or alcohol. for the 20 years of our friendship, I never once found her upset or angry.
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Beta Blockers are a very good cardio drug. Bro mentioned took "atenalol"...Nick is 78 takes cinnamon daily, regular mild exercise, ...BP 120/70 range...no meds...like me, makes his own fermented vegetables and dairy..oh, plus 4 0z Pomegranate Juice every other day...no joint pain like so many others in his age group. Ocassional prebiotic psyllium ..(both the husk and seed)..kinda like "insurance" to promote SCFA's to support colon and "now" we learn, also the brain.
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I completely agree with your comment re betta blockers and tachycardia as well as your keen sense as to your electrolytes...if palpitations are considered tachycardia and not any of the serious sub sets...AF as an example......must be carefull with the elderly as cause could be other than electrolytes..i.e sudden stress or unusual or out of habit exercise., but mostly "medications"...their metabolism is sluggish. But I'll wager you know this well. . Later...Ann
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the article was IMHO..poorly organized,and was a marketing strategy. I cannot find any scientific articles, abstracts etc written by either the "dr" or the LDN org..in other words not credited by peer's....some of the mentioned facts are well known and have been accepted by science researchers. I think you could do a superior job since you wish to inform vs selllingl anything...sorry for short response..will have time hopefully Tuesday.
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Have Gastritis
Identified unprocessed foods in your stools (no blood)
Waiting for biopsy results.
You could be addressing the Gastritis inasmuch as IBS is often associated with Gastritis in some patients. There is no need to wait for biopsy result...the possible results could be HPylori or "nothing"...with HPylori, you will need to do the tripple therapy that includes more antibiotics and PPI's...antibiotics don't work well in a low PH thus the PPI...but you can supplement with probiotics during the 10 or 14 day treatment.
Benzo’s make you feel better….that’s the purpose of a Benzo…slow’s everything and as explained earlier the reason its used in Hospital Lock up Wards to help “control” bad patient behavior. Problem: difficult to terminate their use…when you stop…you can get a negative rebound. Addictive..can skew cognition
I stated there is an “association” of bipolar and Benzo’s. Not all bipolar patients have used Benzo”s, and not all Benzo users develop Bipolar disorders. But there is a strong relationship of those who have used them, do develop bipolar disorder.
To take or not to take is your call again. I personally would not but that’s my choice. A well known TV personality developed BP…he made the comment in his book: “As I sat in my chair unable to do much of anything like I had been “drugged” or bitten by a poisonous snake and its toxin had control of my body, and ” within reach on my table was the remedy , I refused to try and take it.
Wallet biopsy = co pay
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deficiency and a few others. Use Google scholar for weening..in search box of Google scholar, type in your med a coma followed by pub med...or plos one, or science daily, other sites have junk science, often marketing schemes.
We have hijacked this this thread..start your own in IBS create a title..like IBS gastritis..not all IBS or gastritis patients suffer both but it is more common than reported..IMO due to severity of one and not the other.
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Sometime this week you ought to receive
Pathology results.
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Diet and disorders can cause PH to vary.
You were diagnosed as having "mild gastritis"...so try (zinc carnosine), and check it out via pub med or plos one.
Many cultures drink coffee or teas post a meal...acid...helps digest some foods....your diet must be low volume intake, limited or no fats, and very slow eating, to be certain starches are well catabolized in the oral cavity before swallowing, chew and mix well.
This only helps some provided one is not on some potent medication/s that can block normal processing..
With inflammed stomach lining, its very important not to traumatize.
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Normal stomach PH is from 1 to 3PH. Food, medicatons, disorders can cause it to fluctuate. Many cultures drink teas and coffee post a meal (acid) perhaps to boost digestion.With mild gastritis, many things can irritate and already inflammed stomach lining. Keep a Diary. Small meals, reduced volume,no fats, spices, tomato etc..or to be on the safe side, no processed foods, nothing in a can, box, carton, and jar etc. I'll pm you with the supplement...strange...I've seen this supplement several times within a few discussions, won't mentioned them as a courtesy to the threads and patients. Ann
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From my perch...I "guess" medications or withdrawal...I kinda rule out a hidden infection since I think you check your temp and BP frequently, and you know your normal vitals.
I'm and a very distant disadvantage not knowing enough about your overall health, condition, history etc....You are a tad overweight...I'd think your range at your age should be your "high school" weight" or I'd guess at 5 9 between 160 170.As we age, caloric reduction is considered beneficial.And unless you have a fab memory, a daily Diary would help you diagnose "probable" cause/s. I do not have a fab nor maybe even an above average memory but others say I do, but I yet I take notes..ha...I lose them somethime.
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Saliva 6.5PH and so on. I would not concern myself with PH.Small quality meals limited fats salt sugar.etc.
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Your asian grocer will have pork bones that may be more fresh than other stores because most asians prefer pork. While there get the root "gobo" its "burdock root" in English. Same with Naigamo root (expensive)....Asparagus, brussel sprouts, and Kale. Steam till tender. Romaine Lettuce (leaf not iceberg) is nutritional. Carrot, some brown rice. While cabbage can be good, it can cause gas...some gastritis patients used fresh cabbage juice 2 or 3 times daily for cure. But some could not tolerate, caused stomach pain...so your a human lab mouse.
..No special water other than fresh and filtered by yourself..not bottled. The supplements I've mentioned are merely "boosting"..mono therapy doesn't work well...took oncologists 50 years to learn.In a weeks time you should begin to lose some excess weight, your muscles should feel much more comfortable along with increased energy.
In summary, its what, when, and how much you eat that matters....
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I often add a thin slice of ginger (peeled) while poaching some types of fish for odor control.Hope you have "help" at home...While this isn't a big task for me, have been retired since 1985..have time on my hands....could be a challenge for you...but you can find ways to meet the challenge...
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I don't see snything serious, and the radiologist is doing good work ethic.
I will re review soon as am more free
Spending a lot of hospital time and need to keep focused.
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And this is the screen name for a lady in China that sounds very distraught I'm going to try and email you a screenshot of the page of the discussion that she is in says her daughter is 9 years old with GERD and the doctors messed her up with a certain medication and now she wants some kind of surgery called the links surgery nobody is helping her and she speaking or writing broken English thank you would want to help her I know you're busy let me know how it goes
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I am too busy ..have a loved one with lung cancer
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Urged GP for x ray.said wait to see if ntibiotics work..5 days later in ER Right pleural cavity full of fluid..xray shiwed pleural cavity full of liquid..contained cancer cells..Stage IV..If yet alive Monday, post chemo, will start on Moringa..Berberine produced unacceptable skin itch.
Haved asked oncologists for cancer cell lines and if EFGR mutation present...waiting...you might want to study these these two supplements . Ann
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