Any thoughts? Going over 13 months now
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I'll try to be short but this is my first post here. It start with laying floor tile.
My knee/muscles got tight and kneecap cracked a few times getting up. I also hit under the patella with a piece of tile- it hurt like crazy for a minute but went away. There was too much getting up and down and having to reset some tile, straining the knee. I had pain ever since then. 1.5 weeks later my knee starting cracking and swelled around the patella. The cracking stopped completely last July after some hard glute work going up and down ladders after my worker did not show up.
Here are my current symptoms"
Medial knee pain- medial under petalla- still various degree of swelling
between 12 and 9 o'clock looking down- no redness or warmth ever.
Pes Anserine Pain on occasion, or jointline pain but no pain on palpation- perhaps on the medial condyle at the joint line.
More recent medial sided pain- hamstring related?
I cannot entend my leg fully when weight bearing.
I have a little weakness still in quads.
Pain normally sharp, esp after getting out of longer car ride
I limp most of the time, and cannot run
I feel pain 90% of the day
My femur feels like it is slightly rotated inward, or my foot is slightly outward- this can't help but most people I see walk with their right foot turned out more than me!
I tried everything inc. 2 orthos, 3 PT's, chiro, massage.
MRI and X-Ray was shockingly "normal"
I actually had 3 instances in the last 10 days at night where the knee suddenly felt fine- muscles firing. This happened after 9 p.m or so. Then the left knee went haywire! Patella mostly and some similar pains that I have in the right knee. The first time was the worst and the last was isolated to one area. This stunned me. I am busting my butt in the gym but the work does not seem to match the "progress."
I can answer any questions including previous symptoms. Thank you!!!
Oh, I am fine on stairways, and going down is easier now with my quad work. It is walking that mainly kills me! Squatting is the gym is o.k.- sometimes kneecap pain from pressure but weaker quad likely culprit. I do not have full flexion either, but the quad seems to get in the way of that now.
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Peppe steve60953
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steve60953 Peppe
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I replied but not directly so I want to ask what point in my post would have you believe in it being a meniscus issue? Could I have all these other problems as well with just a meniscus? My Mom just had surgery for it and did not have all the other pains and imbalances. Just curious since I am making my next ortho appt soon. Thanks
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Peppe steve60953
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"I cannot entend my leg fully when weight bearing.
I have a little weakness still in quads.
Pain normally sharp, esp after getting out of longer car ride
I limp most of the time, and cannot run"
These sound like my inlaw who was diagnosed with meniscus tear. It does not mean yours is torn, I could be sprained or something is pushing on it to cause you pain. I don't know if you tried any meds, but you should and minimize the workouts.
What makes me not totally certain is that your issue occurred after kneeling on tiles, but if you already had an injury that may have been the trigger.
Then again, knee is very delicate in a sense that it is held by tension of springs so any slight dislocation can trigger pain... But then you went to a chiropractor and nothing.
Just explaining my thought process here.
steve60953 Peppe
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I believe there may have been a few times after extended foam rolling that I could bend my knee back but not 100% sure- as if everything released and alignment was great. Next time I feel "better" I will try the weight bearing test.
Quad weakness is tough- I had to do leg extensions with weight- 10 lbs killed me at first but it was that or terminal pain. I got up to 80 lbs. with that one leg isolated (now it varies), and I am doing machine hack squats to target the inner quad. That has helped more than anything. All other exercises would absolutely not hit my inner quads, even though the left side would have no problem with getting hit. I think my alignment has/had a lot to do with that.
With the injury, my knee was 100% perfect, never a trouble or any soreness ever, sadly. My strength was excellent as well. The bottom of the patella hurt sharply a few times resetting the uneven tile (think prying up a stuck tile and pressuring the knee), and general pressure (besides the isolated tile strike that all the professionals I see dismiss.)
After that, it was a burning pain until the cracking 1 1/2 weeks later and I had to walk on the outside of my foot (not a good idea in hindsight) to avoid the cracking. Muscles must have wasted from pain?
My hip mobility is said to be fine too as a side note (is isolation anyway).
Oldfatguy1 steve60953
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jean95756 Oldfatguy1
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I saw you'd mentioned Tiger Balm is that ok to rub on the leg after TKR? 5 months and 2 weeks post OP and I'm still having awful pain after ...activity such as doing shopping etc....
laid here in awful pain at the moment and I know I have some Tiger Balm somewhere.
i could quite literally chop the leg off at the moment it's driving me mad,
Jean
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if I walk around ...just normal shopping etc... Then the knee swells and bruises in one particular spot .... I'm still having to ice etc... Even after all this time
steve60953 jean95756
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I know of some people that got better weeks if not sooner after a TKR but many take up to a year as well, but you should make monthly progress.
Oldfatguy1 jean95756
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I should ask is having a weak or weak-firing VMO possibly cause the malignment and the pain? If I passively flex my leg, my vmo does not fire like my medial/outside quad. My hamstrings also contract when I try to contract my vmo. On my good side, my vmo fires first, or inline with my other quad muscles, and my hamstrings are mostly relaxed. I am hoping this would have a lot to do with it. Sometimes when I feel my vmo fire, my knee feels better. Otherwise God help me.
Oldfatguy1 steve60953
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In the meantime do whatever yo can to get some rest
jean95756 Oldfatguy1
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steve60953 Oldfatguy1
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I am trying to get rest, but I also have to keep my inner quad going so it does not waste in between sessions. Pain can quickly do that I learned.
I am now trying to get the inner quad active between sessions so I can rest before hitting the gym again.This used to be easy but when you are hurt and twisted/imbalanced, it becomes the most difficult thing ever. I am going to give my orthotics another shot to see if that activates the vmo better when I walk. My last ortho was insistant on my problem being my vmo (only after I insisted on showing him my one-legged squat because I passed the other tests- he was ready to give me a shot or schedule a scope). I am hoping that is it and that the hamstrings will relax if th vmo can fire all day. I am guessing that maybe they tighten with weight bearing and cause the leg to resist full extension, which does not help.
Anyway, despite all the training doctors have, there are very few good ones. You are correct. Our family has seen its share of bad ones lately. makes you wonder what is being tought in schools.
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From what I am seeing though it sounds like getting full weight bearing extension back is a huge key. Sometimes the muscles feel tight, and sometimes it feels tight around the patella or around there. I am hoping some backwards walking will help to loosen hamstrings as well. I'll ask my doctor this when I see him. I am calling to make another appt. tomorrow. I just do not know for sure if it muscle tightness due to weakness compensation/alignment, or tight muscles due to neuro habit, something from the knee, or pain/minor swelling from the knee causing the muscle tightness- as in a mean cycle of pain & tightness- one causing the other. Rediculous really.