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paul30710
paul30710

3 suicides over the weekend, all had mental health problems. ffs someone in Govt needs to see the grief this is causing to families all over the country and stop cutting back on funding......increase it.....people need the help from those that can do it......life is precious but it can be gone so quick sad 

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  • millyimp_1322
    millyimp_1322 paul30710

    Posted

    Oh how much I agree with you Paul,it is quite simply one cut after the other. But note where are those who have money to spare (and I mean those who are rich money wise) and where are thier hearts ,I know some do give to charities,but there are alot who don`t and could do .

    Th peers (in parliment etc) what do they do in order to get the amounts they do get ?

    Life as you say is so precious Paul, and here one minute then gone the next.

    I am a believer in the Lord Jesus, and I know lots of people who ask, where is he ,and why does he allow this to happen.

    My reply is always this,the Lord did not cause all this strife and suffering ,he gave us all free will ,and look at how so many people abuse it .

    Sorry I am not preaching just giving my view

    Take Care

    millyimp1322

    • paul30710
      paul30710 millyimp_1322

      Posted

      i am an athiest so i dont believe in what you do but i would never knock you for that, we are humans at the end of the day. compassionate one minute then hatred towards our others the next. i am very good friends with someone from the church despite our difference in beliefs, she has saved me many times and she prays for me everyday. i cant argue with that. i just wish that someone was reaching out to those who are on the street, or are suffering untold things in their own minds that drive them to the conclusion that...well leads to them leaving us sad
    • millyimp_1322
      millyimp_1322 paul30710

      Posted

      Thank you Paul ,for being honest about your lack of the same beliefs I have .

      That is fine I don`t have a problem with that .As you say your friend has saved you many times,and prays for you every day,My own husband is also a non believer ,I still love him,and I pray  for him daily ,as I pray daily for our world too,and all it`s occupants.

      Yes there are so very many cruel things going on ,with lots of people only too keen to be cruel and un caring,but then sometimes just sometimes ,our faith in humanity is restored,and I thank the lord for that .

      Take Care

      millyimp1322

  • jackie82937
    jackie82937 paul30710

    Posted

    That's awful news but people should be aware there are many sides to this not just funding.

    A friend of a friend committed suicide leaving two teenage daugthers she was seen by 5 medical professionals the week up to hanging herself, she did as some do masked her symptoms.

    I have had 7 medical professionals which included psychatric professionals to assess my husband, he to has also masked his symptoms pushing even the medical professionals away, they know he is need of desparate help but such is the Mental Health Act no one can force people into treatment against their will.

    Sadly if people have set their minds to commit suicide there is not much anyone can do. 

    • paul30710
      paul30710 jackie82937

      Posted

      i agree but it was announced that mental health funding was being reduced by 8%. thats insane. listen i have had these people try and talk to me, drag out the stuff they want me to say, but we clam up. god knows they do try and i guess you could almost blame us as we cant open up as they want us to.....more people are dying in this day and age than ever before.....it really is tragic
    • jackie82937
      jackie82937 paul30710

      Posted

      Okay here is my situation, my husband was Director of Finance at an NHS Mental Health Trust and managed a budget of millions, he was subjected to bullying as were others so should have known about available treatments and how to access service he like many others is unable/can't or won't to help himself.  How did the Trust repay his hard work?  Basically they got rid of him and paid him a pittance, I am now in a very difficult postion having to Divorce him not something I am happy about but I have no choice he is now drinking and with an alcoholice, prior to this we had a very happy marriage and family , our family has been destroyed by this dreadful illness.

      Before anyone says how would I know what D feels like, I had anxiety attacks and agorophobia for almost 20 years and took anti d's but positive thinking and asking for help got me through it.

      I have not been able to help my husband but have helped others I support a lady who is BP she is under all sorts of pyschiatric teams, taking med and therapy but not getting better, why?  Because everything they suggest is ignored and seen as won't work, sadly she has no positive thoughts.

    • millyimp_1322
      millyimp_1322 jackie82937

      Posted

      Hello Jackie,

      I am glad you help other people in the way you say you do, it is good and it is vital.

      However I also say re not having any positive thoughts , you must also realise just how hard it is to be positive ,when you yourself  had Aggie for so many years .Some people try reaaly really hard ,but it just will not come ,I know from my own experience of being Agoraphobic ,all the Dr`s then simply gace me tablets ,and they did no good at all, then a phsychiatrist was the only one to help me ,hwo by simply sitting and talking to me ,asking me questions after questions.However it did not remove the Aggie ,I still have it and that was many years ago now.Way back in 1965,but I know how to deal with it ,and that is what I do.

      So a lot of it depends on the whole situation and on the persons own ability to be able to bring about this positive ,we speak of

      Take Care

      PS, I do feel so sorry for the situation you find yourself in ,my heart goes out to you ,your hiusband ,and your family

      Take Crae

      millyimp1322

      xx

  • carolyn88417
    carolyn88417 paul30710

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    I don't really know what to say here I feel abit conflicted.my mental health problems started in 1976 when I had anorexia.i suppose it's fortunate that my parents took me privately to see the dr who at that time was meant to be the best in the country.i lived in London then I. Have to say if he was the best I'd hate to have seen the worse.in 1987 I started with the bouts of depression .i had numerous admissions to hospital never feeling any benefit.iv been sectioned and iv been locked up.here we are in the 2000s and nothings changed.this time last year I had a very bad episode and I was put under the emergency team the alternative to being an inpatient.they rebuilt our psyc hospital and it now only has 15 acute beds opposed to double that.for the area I live in that is pretty scary.they are short of psycyatrists I think I should be giving mine therapy never mind the other way round.i would say the psycyatrist sector here is in a pretty sorry state
  • loxie
    loxie paul30710

    Posted

    Following on from the other comments in this post, I am so saddened this kind of thing happens.  Reduction in funding does cause critical issues particularly increasing waiting lists etc., however successive governments have had no choice but to cut funding to reduce national debt - our last labour government left us with horrendous 'hidden' debt (12 years of mismanagement by the then chancellor Gordon Brown!) which has to be covered from somewhere.  Too many people not paying into the fund but needing help from it unfortunately.  I have to agree with other posts too that some people hide their symptoms and issues and regardless of how much help is offered, they slip through the net so to speak, so very sad that it's impossible to find a successful way of helping those persons.  It breaks one's heart to know that they probably could be helped if only they would open up but for whatever reason they cant.  I have a very good friend whose wife finally comitted suicide.  She tried numerous times and was sectioned for many years but managed many times to convince the multiple mental health professionals that she was sane enough to be released, only to then either attack someone or try harming herself and get put back into secure care and so it went on.  Her family believe that her final successful suicide was probably a blessed relief for her, heartbreaking.
  • Mikey_71
    Mikey_71 paul30710

    Posted

    Loxie, I don't think it's a case of mismanagement for 12 years by the previous government, you are trying to politicise an issue which is very serious, by strying to say the present government are right in their choices. . Paul30710 is right to point at that obvious cuts to services is affecting people. If the economic climate causes cuts then it shouldn't be to services such as this.

    I personally was diagnosed with depression a couple of years ago; I was getting uscle spasms in my forehead which were being caused by anxiety. I have been on medication since. Not only did I receive support from the NHS, I received support at work, but it lead to me seeing a private health specialist who basically was talking for the company and telling me to pull myself together and get on with my life. He was an awful bloke, and it seems I am not the only one who has received those sort of sharp comments from him at work. The trouble is with depression and anxiety is that you don't feel like talking about it, because you sense that people don't want to hear your woes, and the private specialist confirm that in a sense to me. So you clam up, feel unsupported. A pat on the back and the odd "are you okay?" are what people think is enough to help you through. In my job on the railway we witness suicides, it caused untold stress and anxiety to everyone involved. The fact is that people are committing suicide more now than ever before. We know this because we are direcftly involved, the figures are there to see, the evidence in front of us. People are feeling more hopeless and alone now than ever before, so they feel  they are better off dead. It's a release.

    The support I recieved from the NHS wellbeing was much better than from the private firm my company use, but the trouble is it took months before I was seen, and you can only have so many sessions. My therapist was able to start tapping into dark corners of my mind, things which were bad memories and causing me to react in a negative way to situations, things I didn't want to talk about. I have now self referred again, as I don't want to be on medication asll my life, I want to be able to cope with stressful situations better; to have the tools to do that.

    I get by on medication, but it only takes a stressful event to make me feel low. I recently lost a colleague and friend to suicide. He had relationship problems, couldn't settle as he had a rough early life. He didn't believe people could love him. He ended up hurting people emotionally, then he fell into sel-loathing. Had support; put on merdication; still hanged himself. ANd what you get from people is, "well we did all we could, but if your minds made up your going to do it, no matter what anyone says". Well I don't believe that. I think anyone can be pulled back from the brink, but I think we need to make a lot more progress in the pyshcological/psychiatric fields than we are at present. The trouble is there aren't enough specialists out there who can do this.

    So we plod on. Hiding our feelings. Because it's easier that way, you don't get labelled a nutjob.

    • millyimp_1322
      millyimp_1322 Mikey_71

      Posted

      Hello Mikey,

      I believe all you post,and Pauls post too,

      I didnt want to become imbroiled in a political war with Loxie,but I too feel she  is using Labour too.

      I don`t believe that was the case,I didin`t see all the cuts coming from them (yes they made mistakes) but not like any this Govenment has done...Labour did NOT try to privatise our NHS,nor did they bring on the awful bedroom tax etc.

      This Govenment has a lot to answer for in that yes it has caused people to commit suicide ,when what they really needed was a genuine helping hand ,being so worried about loss of jobs ,loss of being able to pay their way etc.this all has added to their /our daily stress levels.Yes it is said so many times ,snap out of it .pull yourself together .you are not the only ones ...all of these comments are so harmful to those already suffering .

      millyimp1322

       

    • carolyn88417
      carolyn88417 Mikey_71

      Posted

      I think you are wrong about suicide.ittakes a very courageous person to carry it.i have had very severe bouts of depression and wanted to do it but I'm a coward and carry on living this senseless life.to actually do it your mind must be so tormented that you can't bear it anymore and you do the only thing that you see is going to help.idont know if your depression has been so severe youv felt that.i have it's not a good position to be in at all
    • paul30710
      paul30710 carolyn88417

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      i agree, suicide is not a cowards way out,,,,,,it must take a monumental amount of courage and self hurt to go through with it. and to this day and forever going forward i campaign for assisted suicide for those who want it. we are all different and hve our beliefs...its what makes us who we are. if we were all the same, we would be like the characters inWall:E 
    • loxie
      loxie Mikey_71

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      No way was I trying to politicise as you call it, this issue.  It's far deeper than a straightforward funding issue but I mentioned the mismanagement of the nation's debt merely to show that yes, funding is being cut and why and it's causing problems in all areas of health care and support. I agree wholeheartedly that it's wrong to cut funding but it's not a bottomless pit unfortunately.  I ;have had first hand experience of not getting the medical care I need because the services arent available due to lack of funding.  I am not fortunate enough to have access to any private or company schemes, I'm thus reliant on the NHS and it is as you say great when you get it but woefully inadequate in when.  I don't intentionally hide my feelings but when I get a scant 4 minute appointment with the GP, it's very hard to express oneself when it's apparent they don't have time to listen.  I had a major accident a few years ago and my care whilst in hospital at the time was disastrously mismanaged and my after care was at times non existent or so delayed by waiting lists as to be ostensibly a waste of time - a wait of over a year for physiotherapy for example.  I now have what I believe to be stress induced fibromyalgia and at my latest 4 minute appointment I tried hard to relate more than one symptom but before I'd had the chance I had a prescription in my hand for naproxen and the door was open for me to leave - no doubt because the waiting room was full to bursting with others waiting for their 4 minute appointment.  

      Upshot - yes I agree funding is a real and serious issue but yes also I believe that it's not the only issue in getting the right care at the right time.

      Lastly, I'm still emphatic in my hatred for Gordon Brown's almost criminal mismanagement of the country's finances, that won't change no matter whoever I vote for.

    • Mikey_71
      Mikey_71 loxie

      Posted

      You are entitled to your views Loxie, and it is upsetting to hear that you have had difficulties getting treatment when needed, due to waiting lists and such.

      I agree with you about the GPs appointment, I get less than ten minutes (lucky us) to try and explain how I have feel as another prescription is written out. That's why we need wellbeing support to work alongside this, but it is severely overstretched. Not only have we people who are suffering from severe mental issues, such as schizophrenia and bi-polar, but there are people being pushed onto anti-depressants because they don't know how they are going to pay their bills and feed the family and it's driving them to dispair. People who are placed on these drugs are having to wait months and months before their first contact with a specialist after referral.

      Personally I only received "help" through the company because company policy dictates that an employee is assessed if taking any form of medication that is listed as causing potential problems within safety-critical work.  But it's not like NHS wellbeing, far from it. These are private health firms who are bankrolled by the company, so they have a vested interest in getting you back to work asap. If I am honest it just compounds the feelings you have at the time. What I received from the NHS after a few months wait was very helpful, I have to say, just a shame it had to stop when it did.

    • caroleUJ62
      caroleUJ62 loxie

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      Loxie, I agree with you totally about the GP service we now are subject to. I made a 'routine' appt. with a GP who I quite like at my local surgery about 2 weeks ago, made a bit of a list of things I wantd to go over as quickly as possible in 10-15 minutes. I waited 45 mins from my appt. time to see her, and when I was in there, I ended up talking about just one problem, as she was obviously impatient to get me out given how behind she was with appts.

      This has led me to making an appt with a recently set up private GP service in our area, and a follow up with a specialist, - again privately.  I dont like doing this, but I am so upset about the way things have been going with the NHS, and I was so out of my mind with worry, that I felt i had no choice.  

      My brother in law was a GP for 30 years and retired early last year. I think he was totally disillusioned with the current state of the NHS. My sister-in-law was a community nurse, and took early retirement last autumn even though she loved many aspects of her job - due to upset with lack of resourcing and unrealistic management demands.

      The whole system in breaking - has broken.  God knows where we are heading.  I wish to God I didnt feel il, and could just get on a plane and get out of here!!!!!!!

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