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I have been told I have gall stones but could it be something else giving me my symtom I dont seem to have any other problems

I have cut out most fat from my diet

 My only symptom seems to be a spasm in the intercostal musles right round my torso

I dont want the opo if something else could  causing this and removal of gall bladder wont take problem away

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    If you're having gallbladder problems then reducing fat is a good thing to do, but, the gallbladder is already diseased.  Keeping a diseased gallbladder in your body is like trying to keep a bad apple in the midst of good ones.  Eventually, the gallbladder will start to affect adjacent organs and digestive processes.

    As the disease continues, you can get other symptoms such as nausea, vomiting and diarrhea, even if you do go low fat, though the symptoms will only be troublesome. Pain will increase.  

    I do understand why you are reluctant to have surgery.  But if your symptoms worsen, don't wait too long....

    Best of luck!     

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    I just do not want the op if the symptoms I have are no gall stone related
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      I dont want the op unless its my gallbladder either and I have a vast array of symptoms. I am currently mild with symptoms now, but have suffered with reflux, gastro issues, upset stomach with IBS symptoms, bloating, nausea, brusied feeling under the rib, sharp pain on occasion, 15kg weight loss and stomach aches. I have had a CT scan and recently last week had an endescope and colonoscopy, everything is normal except multiple mobile gallstones upto 1.5 cms. I am reluctant to remove after reading all the horror stories and chronic isues on here, so am unsure what to do right now as my symptoms are mild lately. Except I am  struggling to keep the weight from dropping further. I am also very limited in foods I can eat to keep symptoms mild.

      I am at the surgical appointment on the 2nd so will discuss then. i would completely rule out everything else before comitting to the surgery personally.

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      Hi Star I feel the same as you I have been to the hospital and they refused to discuss any other treatment like medication  I am now paying to see a gastroentrlogist

      I dont struggle with food. been on a slimming world low fat diet for over 20 years Probably has caused my problem

      I have been two years with out many symptoms Last two weeks havent been good

      Got this hug all the time

      What food helps you Jen 

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      I am a little unusual with food, I have gone with what keeps my symptoms minimal and that turns out to be currently chicken and rice, cooked veg or very limited raw ( to much raw causes IBS) I also am able to eat roast lamb but NOT lamb sausages or the fat of it. I can also tolerate coconut yogurt with no more than 5 almonds and blueberries linmited seeds, very dark chocolate, although too much causes rib pain and corn chips help me keep weight on. I can even tolerate 2 pork sausages a few times a week with minimal discomfort, however we buy all meat from an organic butchers so they are home made with little fat content, made from the best pieces of meat. thats about it.  

      NO wheat, gluten, dairy, red meat, other nuts, milk chocolate, raw veg, most fruits, lamb sausages, oils and other coconut products as all these cause pain, discomfort or reflux. The foods I do eat sometimes cause mild issues though, but I have to eat something!

      I do take bile salts and digestive enzymes which have helped a great deal.

      I also take sauerkraut, coconut kefir and probiotics daily as well as bee pollen and liver herbs from the naturopath.

      I have been stable for quite a few weeks now, had gone worse in jan but stabalised again in the last month or so, but the last day or so I have had rib ache, but I have overindulged on chocolate from easter as my mum sent Uk chocolate over and its so much nicer then Aussie chocolate, even though I know milk is bad for me, i couldnt resist and having mild issues with my rib discomfort right now.

      I have found from lots of research and reading about peoples experiences that trigger foods can be very different, so its a matter of finding what works for you, unfortunately my calories have dropped hence the weight loss,blaoting can be awful, but the enzyme and ox bile has made a big difference with the amount of bloating.

      I was paleo 90% of the time and very healthy before, but I have genetic links to gallstones on mums side at a young age as well as 4 pregnancies where I gained a lot of weight then dropped it all afterwards as well as a health issue 5 yrs ago which saw me drop a whole heap of weight, so lots of things could of triggered mine but the higher healthy fats of paleo may have caused the scale to tip and trigger the symptoms? 

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      Hi Star

      Thankyou so much for your very informative email I havent done any real research

      You have spurred me on to do so

      I have got away with little or no symptoms for a long while I have however cut out anything over 3 pecent fat accept for lots of fish and advocado

      No meat accept chicken

      Lots of fresh veg and fruit

       I make fat free cakes to compensate for not having puddings chocolate cheese butter etc I did try lots of apple juice but I am not sure if that was sensible

      My main sympton now girdle pain or the MShug as its called 

      I live in Wales Did you ever live in UK Jen 

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      ox bile helps digest the fats, a compromised gallbladder or no gallbladder isnt digesting fats properley. We need healthy fats as they are essential for our body and hormones and brain. Enzymes also help with the food, my gastro issues. Its trial and error if they will work for you but the liver dr site has great advice by a highly experienced specialist and they say anyone with gallbladder disease or no gallbladder should be taking ox bile.
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      only just saw this message, yes I am from Manchester, my grandad lived in wales for while in one of the bays smile All my family is in the UK,  we emigrated 8 yrs ago.
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