Mirt WD Digestive Symptoms
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I am over 6 1/2 months since stopping, and am still having abdominal cramps, churning bowels and abdominal pain. That, along with not much appetite and weakness is seems to want to hang around, and I am miserable because of it. Any replies appreciated. David
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norma72045 david28533
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A lack of good wholesome food will at least build you up,and maybe you would not feel so weak. So please try and eat. It won't solve your Tummy problem but it will help you cope easier.
Lots of love comeing your way.
PS Have you tried Kefir Yogurt I know they sell it in the US because Rose has tried it,give it a go who knows. I'm makeing some but I haven't tried it yet so I can't comment,but I'll give anything a go to get rid of this forever pain. Worth a try no two bodies a like.
Your long time friend .xx
oldboy david28533
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david28533 oldboy
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oldboy david28533
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I think you are wrong. I agree with the GI doctor. They are due to stress and anxiety. By coming off mirt you have thrown away any help it was giving you with those. It is not at all surprising that they have got worse.
david28533 oldboy
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norma72045 david28533
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david28533 norma72045
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norma72045 david28533
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You take care.
david28533 norma72045
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Pippa1364 david28533
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Also does anyone know if St John's Wort is truly effective or other herbal remedies as I just feel I can't trust prescription meds now. Especially as Ive suffered with IBS since my mum died back in 1986 so to have exaccerbated symptoms when the time comes to withdraw from this drug is my worst nightmare!
Thanks
Jackie
oldboy david28533
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You did not have the symptoms before stopping the drug BECAUSE MIRT WAS HELPING YOU. You have thrown away that help, so the symptoms have appeared. You cannot blame the drug for that!
It is the LACK of mirt which is the cause. The same would have happened with any drug which helped you. Mirt is a very powerful drug and can therefore give a lot of help. Perhaps that is why some people call it evil when they throw that powerful help away.
david28533 oldboy
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oldboy Pippa1364
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Please do not say this drug is a nightmare unless you have personally experienced that. I suspect you are just infering it from David and Norma. Their opinions may not be typical. Are they experts?
norma72045 oldboy
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Ive experienced both sides of this drug,and like I say unless your on it for life you MAY suffer WD.. Each body is unique. But you can only make an oppinion on your own experience,which you haven't had.
david28533 norma72045
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oldboy norma72045
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I merely say that your limited experience may not be typical.
norma72045 oldboy
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oldboy david28533
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Nor was saying there are no problems with mirt.
I was suggesting why you are getting those symptoms.
You can ignore what I say and blame mirt for everything, but that does not make you right.
oldboy norma72045
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betsy0603 Pippa1364
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There are lots of supplements that can help, including 5-htp, tryptophan, SamE, St. John's Wort. There's a book called The Mood Cure that goes over natural ways of improving mood, going into which supplements to use under which conditions. I don't think this book takes withdrawal recovery into account and withdrawal symptoms may not respond as well as they would if you had never been on psych drugs. I got myself into trouble taking supplements, though, when I was in withdrawal from Effexor and didn't realize it. I took 200 mg Sam-E in the AM, and 5-htp or tryptophan at night (tryptophan is a precursor to 5-htp which is a precursor of serotonin). I began haviing horrible generalized anxiety, not sure if it was due to the Effexor WD or the combo of supplements. I read on survivingantidepressants that Sam-E can cause anxiety. Also, I reinstated Effexor briefly, stopping the supplements, and ended up with mild Serotonin Syndrome! So, one must be careful with combining these, especially in close proximity to taking an SSRI or SNRI!
At any rate, it is worth a try with 5-htp or L-tryptophan by themselves. I used to take L-tryptophan as a teenager to help with sleep. L-tryptophan is high in turkey, which may be why we get so groggy after a turkey dinner.
Pippa1364 betsy0603
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Many thanks for that info. I have a very good Herbal practitoner near me so I may give them a try too. I feel a lot of my symptoms are exaccerbated by hormone swings though given my age and I really notice my mood plummet at certain times. Nothing really seems to make a difference. I have even tried Black Cohosh.
When you're feeling hopeless waiting for meds to work seems like forever.
Interesting about Turkey though I must say.
Bye for now,
Jackie
betsy0603 david28533
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You can read Peter Breggin's books to learn more. He's a psychiatrist who writes about withdrawal and the harm psych drugs can do.
David, are you on probiotics? You might want to make sure that one of the strains is Saccharomyces boulardii.
Pippa1364 oldboy
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I have now met my new NHS therapist who was a Psychiatric nurse and he did say that this one and Seroxat are difficult drugs given they have more side effects. However, if they do agree with you then it appears the results are good. BUT staying on AD meds longterm is another dubious area.
I have tried Seroxat, Prozac, Sertraline, Citralipram..Even the filthy drug Prothiadene in the 80's.. So yes I talk from a great deal of experience and am having to make an informed choice as to whether the risk severe withdrawel is worth it, especially given my GP doesn't like you to become dependent on any drug where posiible. And given the fact of I am extremely prone to relapses.
It's a tough choice this one but I knew Seroxat was a nightnare way before it came out in the media!
We are the Guinea Pigs of today and the Experts of tomorrow alas!
betsy0603 Pippa1364
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I managed to go without psych drugs until I was 30, when Prozac was all the rage and I thought that pill could solve all my problems. Had I learned the cognitive skills I am learning now, I may never have started psych drugs 20 years ago! I'd been on different ones until Effexor, which I'd been on for the prior 12 years. The longer you've been on the them, the longer it takes to get off of them safely!
oldboy Pippa1364
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Hearsay is where you hear something from somebody and repeat it as if it were the gospel truth.
I have read several times that mirt is less difficult than SSRIs but that does not carry much weight with me.
Pippa1364 betsy0603
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For me I haven't had any problems getting off the SSRi's. More on starting them really.
I don't tend to increse a drug more than once though. Tollerance of any drug isn't great. That said I had hoped I could go back to Prozac eventually and if necessary.
Seroxat made me very sick.
The other SSRIS upset my digsetive system too much as well and made it impossible to go out for fear of episodes. Not good when you're trying to integrate and lift your mood!
I was put on Mirt when I asked for sleeping tablets alongside Prozac in the initial days. Something I'd successfully done in the past but it looks like there are new restrictions on Zopiclone now.
I particularly want a medicine that will help me stop over obsessing/focussing on things. I really need freedom from this toxic relationship and I can see a light at the end of the tunnel if I can at least acheive this and also I want to cut down on alcohol consumption as that's no prop at the end of the day.
I needed to start Psyche drugs following Postnatal Depression. My mind has never really got back to how it was pre children. So I am thoroughly convinced that hormone fluctuations have paid a major part and I seem to be allergic to half of them!
iannufc oldboy
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