My panic attacks!!!!!!!

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Ok all, just tried the whole writing down why i think my panic attacks started and what happens during a panic attack.......it brought on a panic attack!!!!! I cant do it!!! I had to give up and I'm not even half way through so clearly that's not gunna work for me........ Ok so my panic attacks are about during dying ok, I'm scared of dying end of.....i cant get over it because its inevitability, and this is what i panic about every single night, I'm not religious even tho i have tried to find god it hasn't worked......my panic attacks are justifiable and i cant see how I'm ever going to get over them......im sorry but i just cant.....this is the most I've ever talked about them......and i cant 'embrace' them because i cant find a reason to calm myself down......many people have tried explaining their way of thinking and it just doesn't work for me, I'm at a loss, and writing all this in panic because i just don't know what to do anymore!!!! I don't know how anyone can help me, it all seems pretty hopeless........im sorry about the rant but that's what it is, because now I'm panicking, and no amount of medication seems to help.

Danielle

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    Hi Danielle, have you tried cognitive behavioural therapy or hypnotherapy? Those tend to be more successful than medication in the long run. Hope you feel better soon.

    Amy

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      I agree about the hypnotherapy. After a year of suffering side effects of different types of anti Depressants and anti anxiety tablets I stopped all of them and am now having hypnotherapy and after 2 sessions feel so much better.
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    Hi Amy,

    I'm currently awaiting my CBT to start on the 26th, but until then I'm stuck having panic attacks night after night.....every single night.......I'm on the anti depressant venlafaxine as citalopram didn't work for me......in fact it made 100% + worse and it hasn't gotten any better since....I'm also on beta blockers Propranolol to stop the adrenalin effect of a panic attack so i don't get the racing heart beat or the hyperventilating but i still have panic attacks, in a way.......but it doesn't stop the thoughts which make my panic attacks role into one another, so I'm having another one before calming down from the first one. It's a viscous cycle, a hard one to break as i cant think positively enough to break it.

    I started using a crisis team to try and help me calm down but even they eventually started to doubt i was using the help tips they were trying to give me and stopped helping.

    I have even visited the A&E a few times because of my inability to calm down.

    Please trust me when i tell you i have tried every method, every tip, every scrap of advice to try and help myself and nothing seems to work anymore, they work for 1, maybe 2 nights and then they don't work, and yes i have tried alternating between them.

    I've tried everything to try and help myself also from trying to 'ride' them out or 'embrace' them but that again leads to a cycle of one after the other. I've tried the exercise to get rid of excess energy, meditation, hypnotherapy, lavender, shocking myself out of them with cold water, having warm baths, avoiding caffeine, avoiding television.........everything i can think of and it doesn't work.

    Honestly I'm at a loss, i see no hope and am at the end of a very long tether after suffering with them for 8 years.

    I'm sorry i cant be more positive with my response, but honestly this is how i feel almost all of the time, every single day.

    Danielle xxx

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    The only hope I can give you is that I was where you are for fifteen horrible years, trapped in my flate, shivering and shaking with fear. Then it gradually went away as mysteriously as it came. Now I occasionaly get an anxiety attack if I overdo it, but it soon goes.

    The best thing is I don't even think about anxiety anymore, it's just not on my screen anymore,

    Also I want you to know that for all of spending 15 years, day in day out, in an extremely anxious state, my body has suffered no damage whatsoever from it (although I thought I was dying over a thousand times during it!) Hang on in there, things can get better without reason.

    Sometimes, when we really give up trying to escape, when our trembling ego is exhausted and we have nothing left, it leaves an opportunity for change.

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    Athol, i understand where you are coming from, my panic attacks seem to start and then stop, in the past 3 years (obviously not counting the current situation) I have had 1, maybe 2 panic attacks, but then they came on again out of the blue, and to be honest its only since going on medication they seem to have gotten worse and worse, but i am assured by everyone that the medication will help, but it takes 'Time' and I'm sick to my back teeth of hearing that same phrase repeated to me over and over again.

    I am hoping CBT is going to help also but it seems forever away even though i know its only a week and a half away.

    I'm just sick now of the sleepless nights and the guaranteed panic attacks throughout, they are doing my head in. I just want a decent nights sleep with no panic attacks and to never have one again, i know that's asking a lot but that's all i want.

    It's wreaking havoc on my life, sometimes i wish id never started the medication but I'm smart enough to know i desperately need help from anyone!!

    I cant carry on like this.....I know the panic attacks aren't causing any physical harm to my body but the mental side is a whole other story.

    At one point I'm sure i almost went crazy, and i mean having to be sectioned crazy.

    It's just really taking it's toll on me.....all i want is to be able to go to bed and go to sleep like a normal person.

    But thank you for your support around my problems.

    Danielle xxx

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    Thanks, Danielle, I was quite convinced I had gone 'mad' and saw many psychiatrists, psychotherapists, psychologists, and counsellors who all told me there was nothing wrong with me (psychologically). I even signed myself into a private psyiatric asylum for 6 months. I think a lot of this comes from the adrenaline state, when the body goes into flight mode.

    The body goes into emergency mode to escape a threat. The brain receives emergency messages from the body and looks to determine where the threat is. It can't find anything (because there is nothing wrong!) so deperately starts searching for anything that 'might' go wrong e.g. your health, your heart, your mind, your ability to cope,etc. because it believes that when it can find the reason for the anxiety then it can do something about it. These processes are all hard-wired in all our systems. They are part of the involuntary nervous system which we cannot consciously affect. Which is why you cannot consciously affect your heart rate or sweat glands just by thinking about them.

    The adrenaline 'emergency state' is the biggest and most convincing illusion that you will ever meet. After this, everything else is small stuff. You are surviving this, right now. Continue to say well done to yourself. Because this task is simple but hard to do. It is to see through the illusion of the adrenaline state and part of this is to see that it also affects your thinking style. Your brain 'thinks' there is an emergency so all it's thinking becomes fast and desperate and its' big message is 'THIS IS TERRIBLE AND I MUST GET OUT OF IT AT ANY COST!!! It will be constantly scanning you for signs of this 'terrible thing'. The body, meanwhile, has received the emergency message from the brain and goes into overdrive, pumping adrenaline hormone from the adrenal glands into the bloodstream. From there they cause changes in practically every part of your body. Which is why you get headaches, shortness of breath, tiredness, restless legs, exhaustion, strange tingles etc. (the list is long). The brain receives the emergency messages from the body and goes into a higher state of agitation, desperately looking for an answer, and it sends heightened impulses to the body. You are right, it just goes round and round.

    You don't need a positive attitudeTell the fear to come to you. Nothing happens and it shows your brain and body that there is nothing there. There is no emergency. There is nothing wrong. There is no threat. You have been doing many different things to try to get rid of this natural defense system because it feels very uncomfortable in your body. But all of that 'running away from' behaviour just convinces the brain that there really is something fearful to run away from.

    We need to do the exact opposite of whatever the brain and body are telling us.

    This is all very counter-intuitive and goes against all our instincts. Well, it would, wouldn't it, because all our instincts are reacting from the emergency state.

    We need to get out of the state, not try to solve it or work with it or control it or conquer it. We just need to side-step it. Easier said than done, but practice will get you there.

    And here is the hard and simple thing you need to do. IGNORE IT. Don't waste any more time on it. It wants your attention so it can scream 'emergency' at you. Listen to it but totally disbelieve what it is telling you. Leave it alone. Don't try to deal with it. Don't try to face your fears. Don't look on the web about it. Don't do anything about it. Nothing at all. Just ignore it as best you can. Distract yourself by any means possible. Think of other things. What things? Anything, it doesn't matter. Set yourself a project and do it. Something that excites you.

    Sorry, run out of time.

    You may have heard this approach before but it is worth a try. it worked for me.

    Good luck and remember that this uncomfortable feeling in your body is just your body trying to protect you (mistakenly, as it turns out). Leave it alone and it will leave you alone.

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      Thank you for your post, this was really helpful for me. i never really looked at the heightened physical sensations and rushing thoughts as the brain trying to find a problem so it can solve it. its really hard trying to accept the anxiety during a panic attack and not try to get rid of the sensations and thoughts, because it is so overwhelming, but this thought I hope will be yet another to strenghten my rational mind. "The brain receives emergency messages from the body and looks to determine where the threat is. It can't find anything (because there is nothing wrong!) so deperately starts searching for anything that 'might' go wrong e.g. your health, your heart, your mind, your ability to cope,etc. because it believes that when it can find the reason for the anxiety then it can do something about it"
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      you said:You don't need a positive attitudeTell the fear to come to you. Nothing happens and it shows your brain and body that there is nothing there. There is no emergency. There is nothing wrong. There is no threat. You have been doing many different things to try to get rid of this natural defense system because it feels very uncomfortable in your body. But all of that 'running away from' behaviour just convinces the brain that there really is something fearful to run away from. ....If my panic attacks are about death or someone dying how do i tell it to come to me?...How do i ignore it when i have panic attacks?

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      Hi are u finally doing better ? My problem is all I need is Someone to talk to but they don't give me a physiologist they make it so difficult and all I need is to talk to someone
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      I know this was posted 3 years ago, but I had to comment.

      I have had panic issues, ocd, and still have GAD and depression. And of the countless hours I have researched anything and everything of the above mentioned, I have never heard ANYTHING more amazingly helpful then what you wrote. Everyone needs to read this. It makes PERFECT sense. If only I had read this years ago:-P

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    Thank you for such a detailed response and i have tried to forget about my fears but its hard for me because my fear is dying, and its something i cant dismiss, cant tell myself its not going to happen, the danger isn't there because it is and i just don't know how to get over something like that......im sorry i have to stop now because its bringing on a panic attack.....see i cant even talk about it.....sorry

    Danielle

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    Sorry about before, i brought on my own panic attack then, i find it so hard to talk about....but i can relate to what you were saying about my body trying to find something wrong with itself, I've visited A&E too many times to mention because I've thought there was something else wrong with me beside the panic attacks, and like i said before i truly believe i almost lost my mind, it was not nice.....and i try to distract myself all the time but it never seems to work, honestly, I've tried all the advice from my doctors and others but they don't seem to improve things.

    See now my biggest problem is that the beta blockers i am taking are doing what they are supposed to be doing and blocking out the physical side of the panic attacks, but the mental side is still there and that's what i need to tackle now.

    like i said before sorry about the previous message but thank you for your help, I've never heard someone describe what I'm going through so perfectly.

    Danielle x

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