Supplements or not?

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I've been diagnosed PRV (or PV as I've heard it now is) since May 2015 cause: JAK2 gene mutation.  On baby aspirin. Gym 3 times a week. My Hb and HCT were high but now normal (123 and 0.44) although they stopped venesections in the Spring this year as my Hb went down to 108 and my HCT to 0.33.  So they were worried I was anaemic.  Trying hard to drink lots of water (goal is 3 litres daily). Also drink tonic with quinnine for restless legs.

IF WE ARE ADVISED TO DRINK WATER as PV patients, why do health pros say a change in diet won't do anything?  I asked my haematologist if I should avoid red meat, or brocolli (vitamin K - clotting factor) or anything high in iron, but she said no just eat healthily.

Has anyone else found any supplements that lower red cells but don't elevate platelets?

 I was taking ginseng liquid 10ml daily but stopped for a couple of months as I read it boosted red blood cells.   I also take vitamins ACE with Selenium, Vitamin D (I also have Parkinsons) and Leutigold (for eyes - early AMD)

NOW ... My Hb and HCT are normal but my Platelet count has been rising - to 630 at present - which my haematologist says can happen with venesections (should be  lower than 400 I think).  So then I read that ginseng lowers platelets - so I'm taking it again but every other day.  Will see what blood tests reveal.  But if  my platelets don't go down my haematologist wants to start me on hydroxy-carbomide.  I don't really want to have that, for all the reasons others have put on here.

Alison (female aged 55 SW UK)

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    Hello alison,

    I live in UK and have been learning to live with this weird condition since the spring.

    My platelets are high but the venesections seem to keep everything else tied down.

    I think the water is just to keep your blood thinner. It would obviously be thicker if you became dehydrated and would then be more likely to form a clot somewhere.

    I read somewhere that dark chocolate is, like aspirin, supposed to keep the platelets from sticking together. Nice if you like to eat dark chocolate, which I do. Lindt do a 99% version which contains hardly any sugar. smile

    Then I also read that sesame seeds might inhibit the formation of platelets so I began to buy wholemeal tahini paste. No idea if it is doing anything but it tastes great.

    I drink a bottle of Fevertree tonic a day, just to wash the chocolate and tahini down.

    I don't know what you could try for reducing your red blood cell count other than to go on some kind of a vegetarian diet which is lean on things that contain iron.

     

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    Hi Angela and Alison

    l think the advice of eating a healthy balanced diet is sensible. I've been told that you'd have to eat excessive amounts of red meat and iron enriched vegetables like spinach to impact your iron levels to any real extent. Just don't take iron supplements.

    Alison is spot on re the water. Even people who don't have PRV benefit from drinking a litre or 2 of water a day. Probably easier to do in Australia than England !!

    I've had PRV now 26 years (i'm 56) and really nothing has changed in my treatment in all that time - just 3 monthly venisections, a baby aspirin a day and a yearly check up with my haematologist.

    l believe as much exercise you can manage is also important in keeping on to of this condition.

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    Hi alison. It's ok to get venesections (phlebotomies) at first, but the hematologists usually put us on meds eventually. It is apparently not good to just have venesections for too long. I've been on Hydroxyurea for about 4 yrs now, and so far, doing well.

    ?I am a 74 yr old female, get lots of exercise, and take a nap sometimes. The hematologists usually know what they are doing. I trust mine explicitly. Good luck,

    harrishill 

     

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    Re too many venisections. l was a blood donor from the age of 20 to 30 - exactly 40 blood donations before being diagnosed with PRV. I've had Venisections (exactly the same as blood donations) for nearly 27 years - 110+40=150

    Blood donors are able to give blood for as long as they are fit healthy without any complications so unless venisections are done very reguarly l don't believe there is any real problem having them for as long as deemed necessary by the experts.

    l'd rather have these than all these other potions that seem from the posts cause all sorts of side effects.

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    Hydroxycarbamide can be beneficial.  Its difficulties lie in the long-term usage with increasing dosages.  It is also known as Hydroxyurea but this really is the old name for it now.  I was taking this at the time of the change.  Properly advised, you can take this drug but if the side-effects should become uncomfortable then you would need to discuss this with your haematologist.  After many years of this treatment I had to come off it.  I am now taking Ruxolitinib which is more suitable.  Really, there are not too many options available beyond this but I understand more drugs will come on-stream from the researchers.  You will find your platelet count will go up and down no matter what you take or do.  As others have replied, just eat sensibly with some exercise that you can enjoy.  Everything in moderation, as they say.  Sorry to hear that you suffer with Parkinsons, I know how difficult this can be having seen a family relative having to cope.  Good luck anyway.
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      Hi Peter I was just going thru the summary and read your answer to Allison.  How long have you been on ruxolitinib (Jakafi) and how do you compare the symptoms if you have any to HU?  Is the Jakafi helping itch your numbers?   Linda
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      Hi Linda,

      Like you, was peeping at previous postings.  To answer your questions, I have been taking Ruxolitinib for about two years now.  Previously I was included in the JAK2 research trial but did not have Ruxolitinib on this, I had Hydroxycarbamide which was the only drug I could possibly take anyway.  It did not take a genius to work that out.  Hydroxy and Ruxo are similar in some ways when it comes to side-effects, but the latter certainly has stabilised the blood readings to about normal.  My dosage never changes.  My last attendance at the Hospital a week ago showed no changes in the blood readings at all.   Everyone is pleased.  Hope you are keeping well.

      Peter.

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      Hi Peter  I was only on HU for 3 days. I couldn't take the body aches.  So now I'm on 5 mg Jakafi twice a day.  My numbers have gotten better.  The side effects are not nearly as bad as HU.  Thanks for answering.  Linda

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      Yes Linda, I feel much the same way about the use of Ruxolitinib and its effects.  What one needs to remember about HU is that it was not specifically designed to deal with PV but more with Leukaemia and its offshoots.  It works well in the early stages of PV but if used extensively over a period can cause some unwelcome effects which need close attention.  Ruxolitinib I have found is much kinder as you notice.  Good wishes.
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      Yes, as I'm (only!) 56 I don't want to go on any drugs too soon.  Thanks for your reply.

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    Not sure I understand everything you said. But re supplements and change of diet.

    My Haematologist said I should stop my B12 and stop all the items I was taking to booast the B12 like green veg, and iron supplements.

    I haven't taken B12 in about 3 years now and its right down.  I do sometimes eat green veg nowadays, I stopped for a while, and then I would get really dizzy when I ate them. but i like them, and I feel I need them. So I eat very limited amounts, and try to watch what I'm doing the following, in case I get dizzy.

     

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    Hello Alison,

    Seems like you are doing most things right but do listen to your haematologist and most certainly discuss any difficulties with them.  They are the experienced professionals and see more patients with PV and other blood related problems than any other specialist, especially with the rarer diseases presented.  Like the previous  posting by HarrisHill I find I need look no further than the Haematologist to keep things on the right track.  Any queries I raise are well answered and informative.  I have trusted them for many a year now and have become to rely on their expertise in this field.  PV affects people differently  and deserves to be dealt with on a sole basis between the patient and their specialists, for when it comes to it they are the people that really matter to you.  Some symptoms seem fairly common but there are a number of other symptoms which arise that will not be common to but a few, and that is where you need the professional advice.  Good luck.

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      Hi Peter, Thank you.  My trouble is I don't have any symptoms as such, although sweating I have attributed to the menopause or my Parkinsons.  So it's only the blood tests that tell me how my PV is.  The haematologist tells me to think of the treatment as a preventative, like visiting the doctor.

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