Thoughts from a PMR “survivor”

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Dear PMR sufferers

I am a 48 year old male who recently recovered from PMR ( unusually young and wrong gender, yes I know! ) and I came back into this site just to give a personal perspective to those still suffering . Many readers are often recently diagnosed and looking for answers or hope, it’s not often that a “survivor” comes back to report that there is life after PMR, so here I am.

Firstly,I’m not a doctor, I’m an engineer so don’t attach any more weight to my views than you would do to any other non medical expert, feel free to assume I may be the village idiot and NEVER act on my views without discussing with your doctor. Right, now that that’s out of the way let me tell you I know what it’s like to have PMR, first the mysterious shoulder pain rolling over in bed, then the worry and confusion  , gradually increasing stiffness , can’t tie my shoe laces , feel irritable and exhausted , overwhelmed , visit GP, referred to rheumatologist , rounds of blood tests ....terror that it’s alll sorts of worse things, then finally the diagnosis by elimination it’s PMR ,ok now we can do something, ,then the magical effect of steroids, often overnight, amazing effect, WOW I go from half dead to feeling perfect in 12 hours ...hurray I’m cured ? , no not yet,then maybe a degree of depression that this is not an overnight fix or worries about side effects of “pred”., osteoporosis , mood swings , weight gain, acne,hamster face ... I’ve had it all and come out the other side, it took me exactly 36 months but I followed the rheumatologist’s regime and had a few false dawns along the way  where I had to up the dose again but I got there in the end , it’s been 9 months now that I’ve been off the pred, the pain is gone, there is some residual stiffness in the morning or after exercise but it goes away midday or after a hot shower . Life has returned to normal or as close as it can be, I still take the calcium/vitD because I did lose some bone density to the steroids but it was a moderate price to pay for shaking off the monster.

so what have I learned? Here’s a few thoughts. PMR is an autoimmune condition so the things that affected me may not be relevant to you but I still want to mention them in case they help others . Firstly I have learned without any doubt that certain foods aggravate this condition , this is especially true when you are coming out the other end of treatment and are on low doses of pred where it’s easy to get a relapse. The immune system has broadly two response mechanisms to external attacks, those being TH1 and TH2,autoimmune disease responses seems to  occur when one of these 2 responses overreacts or becomes “stuck” on high alert , perhaps triggered by a previous virus or viral illness ,in particular a lot of people anecdotally have developed PMR after having had Epstein Barr Virus ( Also called glandular fever or mono nucleosis or “.mono” ) I’m one of those , Some doctors poo-poo this but there are too many of us for it to be random. However probably/possibly other things can bring it on as well, including being run down or stressed combined with a viral illness. Anyway, however you got it doesn’t matter you can’t change history and may never know, work with what you know today , you have PMR and you need to fight and suppress it until it decides to leave you .Personally I believe that I was what’s called TH1 dominant . My TH1 immune response was over reacting causing inflammation. Rheumatologists will rightly tell you it’s IMMENSELY more complicated than this but this is just a layman’s explanation. Now back to the foods issues . I can tell you that I tried and did EVERYTHING while I had PMR and I only came to one truth. Certain foods INCREASE certain immune responses and sort of suppress others , so if for example you are TH1 low and TH2 high then green tea may make you feel wonderfully better, however if like me you are TH1 high, green tea will make you feel dreadful , like your skin is crawling. In my case five things made me feel awful and caused all the pain to come back when I was on low doses of pred and coming out the other end of this illness, and they still trigger pain even now that I’m off the pred nine months, and this is why I mention them( and to any doctors or rheumatologists reading , please consider trying this with your PMR and also your arthritis / RA patients , you may be surprised at the effect it has on them, many of your older patients are probably glugging tea or coffee like it’s going out of fashion , so persuade them to go without for a week only and see what happens ).

The five items that caused me severe problems are as follows:

1) green tea( my skin crawled)

2) black(regular) tea( pain within 20 mins)

3) coffee, (pain within 20 min,including decaf and instant)

4) wheat( bread ,pizza , white flour etc, pain in my back and rib cage joints within about 2-4 hours and lasting for a day)

5) red wine(possibly also whiskey/bourbon) , muscle / joint pain next day .

So do yourself a favor , take all of these out of your diet for a week or two , then reintroduce them one at a time until you notice pain or you feel like crap , if you note this response give that item up forever.dont bother fighting it, just walk away from it. 

I know how hard it is to give up tea and coffee , the comforting pep up and a nice little beverage to sip with friends etc but they are just not worth it if they are triggering your body to scream “argh! I’m being poisoned”, so suck it up and learn to like hot chocolate or ginger infusions and get on with your life, if wheat gets you then just adapt to the multitude of wheat free products out there, you’ve never been better served, if red wine hurts learn to love white...if none of the above affect you then consider what else you eat ,it may be different for you ,be vigilant , listen to your body ,make a food diary if necessary , be extremely wary of all stimulants, they possibly trigger immune responses, take note, adapt and move on, take hot baths, take more holidays , minimize stress and be kinder to yourself , Good luck  to you all and remember ... like those visiting relatives and bad smells ... it goes away eventually ... Rob

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    Thank you for taking the trouble to converse with us sufferers, while you are now and ex sufferer and know this pmr prresentation as well as the inside of your back pocket!!!!

    good to hear you are well and you are kind to share your “pearls of wisdom” with us.

    as you know the forums are a breath of fresh air due to every bodies contributions,

    all the the very best, and I might just have to look everything, apart from my coffee blessing, in the eye....with kindness, Alida

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    Thanks so much for writing about your experience and so glad to hear from someone that has gotten back to a normal life after PMR.  Appreciate your time.
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    Your list of "trigger" foods is very interesting - I do not eat/drink most on your list but I drink green tea occasionally and I have a morning coffee. I will pay more attention to see if/how they impact me.  Thank you so much for sharing!!! 

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    Rob. Thx for sharing.  Not giving up the red wine yet but will try everything else.  Soon I will write and tell everyone it’s over for me too😍mj

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    Hi Pmrsurvi1,

    Thank you. It is good to know there is an end to this and I will try your advice. Thanks again.

    Charles92035

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    Red wine is certainly a trigger for me but I don't think I need to give up my ?? 

    Keep well - cheers Jan

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    Thank you for getting back to us and sharing your knowledge.

    Continued good luck and best wishes.

    Edward

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    Thank you.  I am a great advocate of listening to your body.  Red wine incidentally acts an anti inflammatory for me.  But saying that I have to drink more than two glasses so may just be drunk and pass out so don't feel any pain😂😂😂

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    Thank you for this interesting piece of information. I am on 3mgs and have been wondering about certain foods and drink in my diet. I moved to decaf tea and coffee shortly after being diagnosed and that helped with heart rhythm problems but I hadn't appreciated that they may still be causing me problems. A relative, who is a retired medic, informed me recently that even decaf has a certain amount of caffeine.  I am rethinking my consumption of these drinks. I did notice that on a particularly bad day when I consumed a lot of wheat etc I felt awful the next day. I had Coxsackie B followed by Post Viral Syndrome a lot of years ago and had some similar responses. At that stage I gave up all meat but ate a lot of oily fish and they have since found that an increase in fish oils has shown to be effective in many cases. My body craved fish but I couldn't face any meat. I shall take heart from your information as I feel that the PMR is going in to remission but my diet needs adjustment. I had to give up the Calcium but I take a fish oil capsule which also gives me Vit D so I just have to hope that my bones are coping. That has been a very helpful and hopeful piece of information for which I thank you.

     

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    Thank you so much for your very interesting, inspiring and informative post as don't hear very often from a survivor on line. 

    I am very keen on having a very healthy diet to help the body as much as possible which can only be done by experimentation.  Triggers are very interesting as I had a sip of my husband's red wine last week (gave up alcohol when I was diagnosed 2 years ago) and a few hours later I had an ocular migraine and this is the only thing I could think of that I had done differently. So even a sip is out for me!

    I have 4 male friends much older than you who survived PMR within 2 years and are still well today with no relapses.   One in his seventies is even back playing tennis!  A local lady who is a very active 86 year old said she had it in her fifties with GCA and was over it in 3.5 years.....lucky lady!  And a neighbour is over it although it did take her longer.   So there is always hope and light at the end of  the tunnel.  With the lighter evenings, daffodils fluttering in the wind and summer approaching this alone lifts the spirits and easier to get out for walks and get extra Vit D from the sunshine. 

    Good luck for the future and I hope all goes well for you.

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    Thanks for bothering to tell your story and give hope! Very much appreciated. Thank you
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    What a great time letter...thank you.😊 It is interesting that you mention reactions to food.

    I have been on a low Histimine diet (which I have written about ) since November,after a flare.It has had a miraculous effect.

    It is so complicated and a question of trial and error,we all seem to have different triggers.For instance I can drink green tea,black tea and coffee,although I have mostly decaf with the occasional full strength when I’m out..and no effect at all.

    I had a sharp flare a couple of weeks ago buying after eating artichokes in oil,knowing full well the advice from my nutrionalist that you eat fresh,so self inflicted..Something in the oil I suspect,or I react to artichokes..I read an article on line rejoicing the low Histimine effect of artichokes..they may be but I shan’t try them again for a while! 

    Thank you you again for your really interesting letter.

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      i have trouble with mast cells. no red wine prior pmr and stomach problems with avocado. histamine is a big problem for me

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    Pleased to hear you are through to the "other side" and in a reasonable time.

    I'm not sure I agree about mononucleosis except that it may well be the final straw that overloaded the immune system, just like any other stress on it, and you are one of relatively few people with PMR I have met on the forums in the last 9 years to have mentioned it. And that does come to a fairish number on 3 forums.

    Foods - I think everyone is different there. Black tea and red wine don't make me worse - as someone has said, it did help quite often pre-pred! But I don't drink heavy reds anyway - I have an allergy to something in some so if I do drink reds I'm not familiar with I take and antihistamine under orders from the immunologist! Our local reds are light and pose no problem. I'm also allergic to something in the structure of wheat starch - so rarely eat it. When I do eat small quantities of sourdough or other wheat varieties I don't have problems.

    Take hot baths?????? No - showers all the way - I'd never get out of a bath!!!!

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