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Hi all,

This will be a fairly long post as this is not an acute issue but something that has been going on for about 2 years and is progressively getting worse. Its driving me crazy, literally. When you have time, I would greatly appreciate it if you could review the presented information and present me with some suggestions and answers.

My neurologists (2 of them) and primary care so far are stuck and do not know the answer. My primary is re sending me to physical therapy yet another time. I am highly discouraged and I wanted to open this up to the community.  If you know a doc or there is a better forum or a location you think I should go to for answers from doctors or someone else who could help, I would appreciate hearing it.

Here are my symptoms. I am copy and pasting from a Word document so I do not know if the formatting will come out ok:

1.        Head/neck dystonia type movements (not diagnosed) – mild

a.        Uncontrollable head/neck movement - pulls to one side and periodically has as a mild to moderate “jerk” to one side

                                                             

  i.      not a tremble or shake that goes back and forth (like a shaky hand when held out) but more of a pull

                                                              ii.      Happens when I am laying in bed trying to sleep at night – literally driving me crazy

                                                       

     iii.      happens infrequently when standing/sitting

                                                         

    iv.      Happens more frequently when laying down on my sides then when just sitting or standing

1.        The head jerks/pull happen more frequently when I lay on my left side then right

a.        Head jerks seem to be less when I lay on my right side

b.        Head jerks seem to be less when laying on back

                                                              v.       Happens at rest or with movement

1.         exacerbated by turning neck completely to the side – especially right side

                                                             vi.      Occurs more frequently during above average emotional state (angry, anxious, sad, center of attention etc.)

                                                           vii.      Happens more frequently when trying to do a “fine motor movement” or to hold still

1.        Head usually wants to pull/jerk to the left in these cases

a.        For example:

-           drinking from a glass/cup

-           hold head still during a dental exam or MRI

-           Brushing teeth

b.        this has been occurring for about 2 years and has been slowly but progressively getting worse

                                                               i.      My initial concern and reason for first initial visit to Neurologist years ago – and continued follow ups

                                                              ii.      It is progressing to the point where getting to sleep is incredibly hard and have considered suicide

1.        – other symptoms listed below have started happening since

Other Symptoms

2.        Various random muscle pains, tingling, irregular movements  – no loss of muscle strength

a.        Nerves and muscles seem more irritated then in all my life

b.        Mild uncontrolled muscle fasciculation s in both of my calves that is can now be visibly seen, not just felt by me

                                                               i.      Started off non painful

1.        progressed to the point of discomfort - has to be addressed with pain or muscle relaxer meds

                                                              ii.      In  addition to the uncontrolled movement – it feels mildly like pins and needles at times – uncomfortable

                                                            iii.      Walking in general, walking down steps and some other movement sometimes feels of

c.        Extremities (legs/arms) seem to “fall asleep” and tingle” faster than usual just by laying or sitting

d.        Muscles in general seem abnormally and unusually achy and tired after just moderate (not severe) exercise

3.        Multiple symptoms specifically on the right side of my body

a.        Pain on both sides of upper butt (mostly right) and pain down both right leg – Piriformis Syndrome?

b.        Muscles in right side of neck feel stiff

                                                               i.      Muscles in right side of neck ache and feel tight when I turn my head

c.        Thoracic spinal muscles on the right side of spine ache and feel stiff

d.        Mild ache on upper/outer right foot  – has now moved over to the left foot at times as well

e.        Right hand sometimes seems to feel as if it has fallen asleep when I wake up  even if I am not sleeping on that side

f.         Right hand feels “off” and thumb tip is sometimes mildly numb - thumb movement seems stiff and jerky when moving

g.        Right eyelid sometimes twitches

4.        Unusual high levels of restlessness, agitation and mood swings – unusual depression and significant anxiety/panic attacks

5.        Neck “grinds” and “pops” when I turn it

6.        Sleep issues that occur more frequently now and have really never been an issue for me before

a.        Sometimes takes unusually long time falling asleep – head keeps pulling and/or anxiety

b.        Wake up  multiple times throughout the night to use restroom

c.        Sometimes hard time going back to sleep

d.        These things are reduced when I take Gabapentin and/or Klonopin (.5 mg)

7.        All of these things have been occurring for over a year now and seem to be slowly but progressively getting worse

a.        All of these symptoms seem to be worse at night when laying in bed and trying to sleep

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Tests done and possible things to investigate:

MRI results:

See MRI report, EMG tests – all blood tests came back normal

1.        Cervical spine – no disc is pushing on spinal cord in images

a.        Left C6 – C7 left perineural cyst

b.        Mild cerebellar ectopia on the left

2.        Thoracic Spine – no disc is pushing on spinal cord in images

a.        Tiny disc protrusions at:

                                                               i.      T4 – T5

                                                              ii.      T5 – T6

                                                            iii.      T6 – T7

                                                             iv.      T8 – T9

3.        Lumbar spine - no disc is pushing on spinal cord in images

a.        Laminectomy and fusion at L5 – S1 – performed in 2011

b.        Mild buldging of the L4 – L5 disc

EMG and NCV results

See EMG and NCV results

4.        1st nerve test - Impression/results – by 1st Neurologist

a.        Mild axonal – demyelinating sensory polyneuropathy

b.        Denervation potentials right S1 innervated muscles consistent with ongoing S1 nerve root irritability

c.        Reinnervation potentials bilateral S1 and L5 innervated muscles consistent with chronic polyradiculopathy

5.        2nd nerve test – Impression/results – by second neurologist

a.        Said  “no ALS - no nerve disease” although haven’t seen results – no demylination

b.        Doesn’t know what’s causing symptoms – said I should return to Primary Care doctor

Things to ask doctor – further areas to investigate to get to source of pain

Let’s get to the bottom of what is going on

1.        Physical therapist also said he thought I had periformis syndrome

a.        This was confirmed by me doing periformis exercises and stretches and my sciatic symptoms and pain becoming significantly worse later that night and the next day

b.        Could we get a neurography (MRI that specifically sees nerves) ordered – Texas neurography.com?

2.        Perinueral cyst in neck cause of pain and muscle tightness?

3.        Narrowing of the foramen space in cervical or lumbar spine pressing on a nerve?

4.        Facet joint issue?

5.        Physical therapist recently said one hip and one shoulder is noticeably higher than the other

a.        Is there a way to test for one leg being longer then another?

b.        One hip being higher then another?

6.        A way to test for a degree of scoliosis?

7.        Any of the disc or buldging discs causing pain even though not significantly pressing on spinal cord in images?

8.        Sacroiliac joint dysfunction?

9.        Anything else?

10.     Gabapentin, Ibuprofen and muscle relaxers help with muscle discomfort, sciatic pain – sometimes pain powers through

11.     Benzodiazepines such as Klonopin help with anxiety and the irregular muscle movements - leads me to believe  there is issue with the brain

a.        Is either the brain sending sporadic signals to the muscles and nervous system because its hyper excitatory or are the muscles not communicating effectively with the brain leading to fasciculations, muscle tightness, discomfort?

 

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Please assist or get in touch with someone who can. Feel free to send me a private message as well.

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  • Posted

    Many of your symptoms sound like Dystonia. This is not a disorder/disease that can be diagnosed with blood tests or medical imaging. It's diagnosed by examining the symptoms. If you have the symptoms, you probably have Dystonia.This does not sound like Piriformis Syndrome (PS). I have both PS and Dystonia. Have you seen a neurologist who specializes in movement disorders? Not all neurologists are created equal. I had to go to MANY doctors before I got a final diagnosis.In general, doctors affiliated with a major medical teaching hospital (i.e., Johns Hopkins, The Cleveland Clinic, Mayo, etc.) will have MUCH better docs than your local community doctor. If you aren't getting satisfactory answers with your current doctor, then find a different doctor. Keep knocking on doors until you find a diagnosis.

    The good news is that Dystonia IS treatable. My Dystonia is treated with Botox injections every three months. This has helped me a great deal, but I spent years searching for a diagnosis, all the time getting worse and worse. I finally got a diagnosis and treatment last December. Don't give up. There is a doctor out there who can help you. You just have to keep searching. Try to find a neurologist who specializes in movement disorders. Go to a teaching hospital, if possible. Even if it's a commute -- the doctors at teaching hospitals are SO MUCH better than local docs. And if you don't like the first doctor you find, the find another one. Keep knocking on doors. Someone will be able to help you. Also think about finding a local chapter of the Dystonia Foundation support group. Local folks would be a good resource in finding a doctor. Good luck.

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      Thank you for your reply Jennifer. I really appreciate it.

      Im thinking dystonia too. The problem for me is three fold:

      I have multiple things going on - the Benign fasiculating muscles, head turning (sometimes jerking) to side, painful nerves and muscles at various locations and times

      My symptoms occur throughout the day but more at night while laying down. During the day things are mild enough at this point where they are not regularly noticed by doctors

      As you said, blood tests, medical imaging and even nerve tests do not show this - these tests have shown up as inconclusive for me. If doctors cant see something with one of these tests, they may question the authenticity of my symptoms.

      Its unfortunate because I would like some technology or something for my doctors to truely see and even feel, if they were willing, what is going on. I am sure you can relate.

      As you said, perhaps my next stop should be a movement disorders specialist at a major teaching hospital.

      Thank you for your advice

    • Posted

      Is is unfortunate this website/forum does not have an "edit" or even a "preview post" button as the formating and the wording in both my original post and my reply posted with words missing and strange formating.

      Also, it appears this website does not like copy and pasting from a word document either.

      The above reply to Jennifer should read like this (without words missing):

      Thank you for your reply Jennifer. I really appreciate it.

      Before you commented to me and after my research, I am thinking it is dystonia too. At least, that is part (if not all) of what is going on.

      The problem for me is three fold:

      1. I have multiple things going on - the fasiculating muscles, head turning (sometimes jerking) to side, painful nerves and muscles at various locations and times, unexplained and overwhelming anxiety

      2. My symptoms occur throughout the day but more at night while laying down. During the day things are often mild enough at this point where they are not regularly noticed by doctors. My symptoms still occur but are best when standing up or sitting up and worst when laying down and relaxed. Because of this, it seems when the doctors are trying to observe what is going on, things are not as significant as when I am by myself.

      3. As you said, blood tests, medical imaging and even nerve tests do not show abnormalities - these tests have shown up as inconclusive for them and me. If doctors can not see something with one of these tests, they may questions the authenticity of my symptoms.

      It is unfortunate because I would like some technology or something for my doctors to truly see and even feel (if they were willing) my pain and symptoms and what is going on. I am sure you can relate.

      As you said, perhaps my next stop should be a movement disorders specialist at a major teaching hospital.

      Thank you for your advice.

  • Posted

    I am still struggling with this. I could still use some more feedback from the community

    • Posted

      Did you find anything in the meantime?

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