A Little Confused

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I just wondered if I could pick your knowledgeable brains!!!

Back in 1989, when I was 22, I was diagnosed with SLE, the symptoms I was showing were just really painful joints in the elbows and knees, I could barely walk upstairs sometimes.  I had all the tests and it was decided I had Lupus.

I went to a specialist for a couple of years every 6 months at the hospital and eventually they discharged me and told me to go away and live with it!!!

I have blood tests about every 5 years to confirm if I still have it and they always came back positive, particularly the ANA test.

I had a test last week and when the results came in they said it was all normal, including the ANA test.  I spoke to my GP and she just shrugged her shoulders and said everything was fine.

I have been lucky over the years as the initial symptoms disappeared and I am not aware of any other symptoms, apart from the constant headaches/migraines that I suffer and no-one ever links the two.

I am now confused, can it just clear up suddenly with age or should I ask for a 2nd test??

Thanks in advance

YL

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  • Posted

    Sometimes ANA tests can be a false negative or positive. Lupus does not go away, but symptoms can clear up.

    Some symptoms of lupus are similar to symptoms of other diseases.

    However, if your symptoms went away and are causing you no trouble, I don't see any reason to worry.

    Best of luck to you!

    • Posted

      I am just astonished no one ever linked your migraine to Lupus! Very common priblem amongst sufferers.

      The disease is incurable so doubt very much it has gine away. Some people with Lupus do not show positive ana.

    • Posted

      Hi Margaret, thanks for your reply

      I have spent 40 of my 50 years seeing different GPs, consultants and alternative practioners, both NHS and privately, including yesterday another visit to a neuro and even though I have mentioned SLE on nearly every occasion, they always poo poo it and say there is no link.

      I'll just keep taking the tablets for the headaches and hope the SLE stays in remission

    • Posted

      Oh I know what you are saying. I was on the same merry-go-round. But there is a very direct link between the two which is recognised by my current consultant and also Dr Desmond Kidd a leading authority on migraine and auto immune disrase. He is used as an advisor by the Behcet's society. Behcet's is very similar. He is a neurologist with a special interest in inflammatory diseases.

  • Posted

    Oh I can't. I will paste here and hope for best. I think that Behcet's could be replaced with Lupus. Dr Kidd treats both but is very much associated with Behcet's. He is one of the consultants at the London centre of excellence for Behcet's.

    Headache is one of the most continual and troublesome symptoms in Behçet’s disease. Some patients are lucky and hardly ever get headaches; others have daily chronic severe throbbing headaches that are very disabling.

    What causes headache?

    There are two kinds of headaches ? primary and secondary. In the secondary type, the headache is adjudged to be due solely to a process of disease within the brain. Headache often accompanies the neurological complications that may occur in Behçet’s disease, of which there are three main types: inflammation within the brain (meningoencephalitis), inflammation of the lining of the brain (meningitis) and a disturbance of blood drainage from the brain leading to an increased pressure in the brain (intracranial venous sinus thrombosis).

    Inflammation within the brain leading to meningoencephalitis is rare, affecting only 5% of patients, but can be very severe. Characteristically, an escalating, often throbbing headache develops and worsens over several days. Photophobia (an intolerance of light) and neck stiffness arise, and signs of neurological impairment slowly evolve. This usually involves the part of the brain known as the brainstem, so that the neurological signs involve loss of balance or ataxia, problems with eye movement leading to double vision, and difficulty speaking. Many other neurological problems can develop, however. As the syndrome resolves over 2?10 weeks, the headache disappears.

    Isolated meningitis is even more rare and would have very similar symptoms without the accompanying neurological signs.

    People with Behçet’s disease are prone to the development of blood clots in veins and, less commonly, arteries. Some patients have blood clotting disorders, but in others the reason is not understood and is thought to reflect all the inflammation going on in the body. When a blood clot affects the veins that remove blood from the brain there is a back-pressure effect, leading to an increase in brain pressure. This causes pain and may lead to visual problems if not treated quickly.

    These problems constitute neurological emergencies in Behçet’s disease, and will lead to hospital admission and treatment with steroids and immune suppressants or blood thinning drugs. However, these problems, thankfully, are rare.

    Occasionally people can develop raised pressure within the brain very similar to that which occurs when the venous sinuses are blocked, called intracranial hypertension. In this case the venous sinus is not blocked, but the symptoms, although less severe, are similar. Treatment with drugs to lower the pressure, or occasionally a shunt to remove fluid, will settle the condition down easily.

    Many people find that headache is a frequent and troublesome symptom yet no evidence of neurological involvement is found. The headache syndrome can be just as severe as those caused by meningitis or venous sinus thrombosis. These people have primary headache, and do not need the same kinds of treatment as those with secondary headache. Primary headache is the most common form of headache in Behçet’s disease, and we do not currently understand why it is so common.

    How common is it?

    The first study to identify the prevalence of headache in Behçet’s disease was carried out by me and the members of the Behçet’s Syndrome Society. Members were asked to fill out a questionnaire in which they were asked whether they had ever had neurological symptoms, including headache, loss of balance, double vision, numbness or tingling, vestibular symptoms and others. A further questionnaire was sent to those who had responded, asking them to note the characteristics of any headache they had experienced, its frequency and duration, the presence of additional symptoms, and whether or not there was an aura. For those with recurrent headaches, the treatment they chose to use, and its usual effect, was also noted, and a severity score, validated in migraine, was used to assess headache-related disability.

    Of the 327 members who returned the first questionnaire, 270 (83%) had noted headache as a recurrent symptom. Of the 223 who returned the second questionnaire, 201 (90%) had noted headache. Headache was recurrent and often lasted for days. The presence of throbbing, a unilateral onset, photophobia and phonophobia were taken to indicate a migraine-type headache; the absence of these symptoms, with a description of a dull constant ache around the head, was taken to indicate a tension-type headache. The severity scores suggested that 50 people (25%) had little or no disability, 28 (14%) had mild disability, 31 (15%) had moderate disability, and 95 (46%) had severe disability.

    Most patients were inadequately treated; 84% used over-the-counter medicines, and only 5% were using treatments specifically for migraine headaches. Even fewer patients were using a migraine preventative such as pizotifen or a beta-blocker.

    This study showed that people with Behçet’s disease have headaches much more often than others, that these are more likely to be typical of migraine, and that they are more severe and frequent than in people with migraine who do not also have Behçet’s disease. In London, we are about to start a series of further studies to find out more about these headaches, their relationship to other aspects of the disease and its treatment, and how we can best treat them. We are also about to start a project using special MRI scans that will help us to find out what happens in the brain when these headaches develop.

    How is it treated?

    I treat patients with primary headache disorders who have migraine-type headaches in the same way as I treat other patients with migraine. This involves using drugs such as anti-inflammatories (ibuprofen, diclofenac and the like) or triptans for the acute headache when it arises, and daily preventive medications such as pizotifen and beta-blockers and sometimes drugs for epilepsy and depression. All of these work very well in my experience, and people should under no circumstance continue to suffer these severe and disabling headaches.

    Dr Desmond Kidd

    Consultant Neurologist, Royal Free Hospital, Lond

    • Posted

      Yes I so sympathise. I was plagued with disabling migraine for years which was dismissed out of hand by doctors. Only after seeing Dr Kidd and changing lead consultant did I get proper treatment. I am now in remission and symptom free. Life changing.
    • Posted

      Oh that's fantastic for you, I hope it continues.  Fingers crossed I can get there aswell

    • Posted

      Hi YorkieLass

      A definitive test for Lupis is a dsDNA test along with an ESR blood test (Erythrocyte Sedimentation Rate) blood test for inflammation.

      Of the dsDNA test is +ve then Lupus is diagnosed........best wishes...

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