About to be diagnosed

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Hi all, new here.

My 65 yo brother is about to be officially diagnosed with pc. He had been getting up in the night to pee for quite a while and his psa was tested at 4.5. However his next test went up to 6 and a DRE today was hard on both sides. So it seems we know what it is already. Would this be why he has been booked for an MRI and not a biopsy, because they are expected it to have spread? So worried, feel sick for him.

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    I had a biopsy about 4 years ago when my psa was 7 it is now 13 so they sent me foe an mri and nothing showed up but because the psa is 13 the specialist wants to do a biopdy which i don;t want to have but have one on 25th may
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      Thanks for replying. Fingers crossed all will be ok.
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    I agree with most of what you've been told in here.

    1. The MRI is most likely not a full body scan but a scan of the prostate alone to see if there is any suspicious areas which may be cancer. They may also not be cancer;

    2. My MRI did not include an endorectal coil and if you can find a facility where such a coil is not used and the radiologist is highly skilled in reading prostate scans, then go for it. Very skilled radiologists can obtain pictures without a coil which are as good as using a coil and a coil is very, very uncomfortable:

    3. A MRI makes a lot of sense ahead of a biopsy for one fundamental reason: if anything is supsicous on the MRI then the biopsy can be a "MR guided ultrasound biopsy " where the needles are guided by the MRI to target the tumors perfectly, rather than the standard biopsy where a dozen or so needles are fired to determine if there is cancer in the organ;

    4. Don't forget in some cases the biopsy is performed under general anaesthesia; and

    5. Until a biopsy confirms or denies the presence of PCa, we are guessing. After all, getting up at night to pee could be symptomatic of an infection. And a PSA rising 50%, in how long a period? Isn't definitive.

    in short I wouldn't stress if I were you. There is nothing to gain by doing that. At this point I would look forward to the MRI and be sure to book only a MR guided biopsy. There is a lot in the literature that supports the claim that such a biopsy is the better type.

    good luck to your brother.

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      +1 to your comments. An MRI guided biopsy involves needles targeting any suspicious region of the prostate. Because they go in between the scotum and anus there Isi no chance of infection. The technical term is a Transpersonal Fusion Biopsy It is done under a general (better than a local) anaesthetic. It's a half day out of your life with no after effects other than a few spots in a pad in your undies.

      Rest easy ... it may not be needed. But never rely on PSA for reasons you don't need to think about now.

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    australia seems so far behind there is a urine test pac3 which just looks ar cancer cells in the prostate but they stoped doing it last september the results of the tests can make a biopsy not neeeded but mrdicare stoped doing it last september so the only othrt thing is a biopsy where the psa shows infection or enlargement of the prostate the pca3 test looks for cancer and in most cases avoids   having to have a biopsy but good old aussie dont do it anymore the only way to have it is to send the jrinr to thr usa
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      You are right, it isn't  offered By Medicare in Australia, but can be obtained for about $500.

      That said, it is my understanding that the pca3 urine test is a very good alternative when a follow up biopsy is scheduled. 

      But there is no consensus that a pca 3 test is better than an initial biopsy for one simple reason: the result may be a low pca3 reading while the cancer is aggressive.

       

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    Coco. I had two MRIs recently. It's good to know his doctor sends him for an MRI first at his psa level. He needs to request a DCE MRI with and without contrast and make sure the place where he gets this MRI done must have a 3T machine. A regular MRI w/o contrast does not do much for review, same as a 1.5T machine. Why not Biopsi first? Agree that Biopsi is the only sure to know if one has it. However, one Biopsi may miss the area of interest, so the MRI may pintpoint the location of suspecious for the second biopsi (or targeted biopsi). But if the first result from a good MRI like I mentioned above does not reveal any irregular, his doctor may have him on the watch for next psa testing. In this case he does not have to go thru a biopsi that he may not need it.

    To summarize if one needs a MRI:

    1. A DCE MRI with & without contrast, and

    2. 3T Machine (search the web if one does not know the diff between 1.5T & 3T).

     

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      Thank you Viet, that's really helpful. So much I don't know, but just starting the journey I guess.
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      Agreed a 3T is better than a 1.5 provided the radiologist reporting on the 3T is an expert in prostate scans. I would rather a 1.5T scan reported by an expert a than a 3T reported by a non expert. After all, the urologist will rely on the MRI reporting.

      also remember that some people who have implants cannot undergo a 3T given the very strong magnetic field it produces.

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      Since we usually do not know how experience the radiologist has on the reading of the prostate slides, choosing 3T machine is always the best choice. There is always a second opinion (second reader) if one chooses to confirm the accuracy of the report.

      You must let the technician know what condition you have before the MRI.

       

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      It is true that patients don't know how experienced a radiologist is in specifically reading prostate images.

      But that is where the urologist comes in.

      in most cases a highly experienced urologist would recommend a scan to be reported on by Dr so and so and would tell you the facility where that radiologist works.

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