Accidental Zopiclone addicts please look at Craig's long list

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_benzodiazepines#Atypical_benzodiazepine_receptor_ligands

craig137 you'll find it here on this forum or on the Benzodiazepines forum

sorry please come back if you can't find it. Or you can direct any questions to us!

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This the full lstt any questions welcome

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_benzodiazepines#Pharmacological_properties_of_common_benzodiazepines

Just added full list

Well done thanks!

I took Abien nasty stuff was addicted and didn't realize what the problem was Dr who prescibed didn't even take a guess I woke up one day suicidal I had to do my own research to find the answer make no mistake for some these drugs can be a death sentence.I have often wondered how many have been driven to suicide and Ambien was not blamed as the cause. 

How how long ago was that?

What does this list mean exactly.  Are you basing your information on withdrawal from benzos on the Ashton manual. 

Its a simple conversion chart based on 10mg of diazepam nothing to do with withdrawal. Most people don't know the relative strength. For example .5mg xanax is approx equal to 10 mg diazepam and so on

came from  the latest DSVM I could find.. The one with the reclassification of Zopi, tramadol, ect ect still listed under Z Drugs but anyone reading should know by now that zopiclone and zolpiderm (Ambien) have been moved into the  benzo class of drugs.

​Craig

That's very interesting? Do you think they will accept this or only remember the specific pathway they are taught to follow?

Should we do another post with that info on it?

only time will tell, but that's how progress is made. All science and medicine is, is best guess

And all depends on the DR that's teaching them. ​I'm sure (i know) that there is criteria sets for virtually every condition. Even the obvious ones ex. broken leg. lol. Hopefully the new DR coming in will be much more open minded. I have to say I have noticed a change at my DR office, no more conndension, or funny looks. Progress is a slow moving process

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Yes maybe but what if in this scenario. A medical student final year or wanting.to be a GP goes to a surgery and were taught they could withdraw a patient from say diazepam long half life to the drug equivalent of say lorazepam a shorter half life by giving half in lorazepam the other in diazepam. After a week leave off the diazepam so a 50% drop. A week later they could leave of the Lorazepam.The student has learnt this from their mentor. The student sees the patient as ok. then the students time is up. this patient is fine for a few days.but then goes into serious withdrawal, the diazepam is immediately reinstated. This student has taken this on board his time was up and he saw the patient as 'well'! He or she now goes into practice. What is he or she going to do with their own patients as they left their mentor thinking this was...well Craig it's what they Do! Is this the pathway they're following? 🤕

I sincerely hope that doesn't happen. Though i fear your right and a few "slip through the cracks" Lorazepam (Ativan) is much stronger (quicker onset, and a relatively long a half life. Diaz is the one to keep taking and drop the lorazepam. Maybe even have to increase the diaz dose for a bit. If your working on a taper (as most on benzo's should) diaz is well documented as the easiest to come off.( I speak from personal expieirence  ) Then if necessary they can drop down to  Chlordizepoxide (librium) (again this is what i did) and was on that for a few months. All in all it took me about 18months to get of benzo's completely. I do hope the new batch" of DR coming through have minds of their own and are willing to work with, and listen too their clients. Iv'e found most DR to be receptive to the idea (though i've only seen my fair share of DR ) The paitent has a resposibilty to be honest and truthful with the DR, but the DR has the onus of responsibility. Benzos should be a last resort medication, not the go to drug. DR's (espcially jr DR) are human and WILL make mistakes. It's the only way to learn. If they are blindly following what their books (DSMV and the BFN) then all they are, are legal drug dealers. I truly hope your wrong and the "new batch" have minds of their own, and therefore the ability to make decsions on a case by case basis and not just follow the "tradional" course of medication. Besides CBT or NLP therapy has been shown to be as effective in treatments especially in conjunction with medication. Fingers crossed for us all that most of the establishment free DR's make it through.

just reread your post lol. Any DR that would prescribe Diaz and Loraz at the same time, in any strength should be struck off immediately. Both are powerful benzos regardless of half life and risk of overdose is high. And upon thinking on your question more BS8 any gp new, or seasoned should have interpersonal skills, and the ability to ask probing questions that answer (and eliminate several "suspected causesl at once") They should be able to read body language (this is critical) as more information is gained than questioning. Finally gain critcal insights into what the client is NOT saying. Silence and observation is a powerful tool.

This was a reality question I posted Craig. You are right they should be struck off. If I were at home I would have started the process of attempting this. I put up a post some time ago about a GMC complaint so any help would be appreciated! This is going on everywhere and must be stopped but how?

Having read your long list of drugs Craig and being scientific based I do understand half life of drugs. I am wondering where this discussion is going? Are you going to form a group to bring a complaint against Docs who have prescribed these drugs.

 I think a lot of peopke who have been addicted and those who still are addicted do not want their problems made public. I have not discussed my zopiclone taking with anyone except those on this forum( thank goodness for this forum I say) .i have managed to get off zopiclone but had to go cold turkey due to worry of losing driving licence.You are all doing a great job but I am wondering where this latest discussion is going. Please enlighten my stupidity but thank all of you for your support

I posted this originally so perhaps I should comment too. I too am pleased about this forum and understand your reasons for anonymity. You are now off these drugs and have your life back! I want the same for others. All I was attempting to do was highlight the strong comparisons to benzodiazepines. (Citwithdrawal on Zopiclone also benzodiazepines) Also the fact that people dont understand what they're taking or they are addictive. Some don't even understand what addiction is. Due to the reclassification and abrupt withdrawal? People are buying we don't know what online. It is an attempt to raise awareness and point people in the right direction. If you can offer any help or support it is very welcome! 

IT's more of an equivilenancy guide based on 10 mg of diazepam ( at least people can make an informed decision) Alot of people have no idea what they are taking. Nothing written here in this forum will leave this forum from me. I too like a bit of anonymity.

Sorry everyone. That was citawithdrawal.org.uk or battle against tranquilisers Bristol which is recognised by this site. Most of us aren't lucky enough to have a scientific background but just want to help others. If you need any help please don't hesitate to ask, if you can offer any help likewise!

Sorry all it was a typing error 

it is citawithdrawal