Adrenal issues
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Hi everyone. I was just doing some research on adrenal glands as I am now down to 4.5mgs per day. I know we have all discussed whether stress can trigger our pmr, so I found this very interesting.
"The Stress of Life" by Dr. H. Seyle:.... "the adrenal glands are the processors of stress in our bodies. A person's stress resistance will vary with the competence of his adrenals. Continually stressing them, finally depletes them. When we become exhausted by life, on a mental or physical level, our adrenal glands often fail to keep up, and illness ensues."
I had had a very rough couple of years before developing pmr including skin cancer on my face and a financial crisis. It makes sense that, however well we cope with the stress at the time, something in the body 'has to give' at some point when we reach breaking point! I would be very interested to hear your thoughts x
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dan38655 debbie27473
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That seems worth thinking about, and I'll add that caffeine acts on the adrenals to the point where their critical role in maintaining transient blood pressure response/regulation is compromised.
I too had the stress of injury (and financial consequences) in the months prior to pmr, with the final straw apparently being a 3-day cold spell that kept me indoors, without my usual level of daily exercise.
lodgerUK_NE debbie27473
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How long on pred?
You can ask for a referral to an Endochrinologist (spelling) for a simple ACTH test, this will show whether your glands have woken up and are well on the way to becoming fully functional.
This test is done when you are below 7.5mg and preferable when you are down to 5mg.
I had one and it was absolutely lovely, I took a book as it was a 4 hour test, They put a canulal in my hand and took the first sample. The next thing I knew was when they woke me up as I had fallen asleep in the very comfortable chair. They just got on with it and woke me up when they had finished.
They had even took the book out of my hands and put a marker in its place. I had only read three pages.
The result, yes they were working and what is more they were fully functional. This after five years with GCA and on high doses.
Peace of mind.
debbie27473 lodgerUK_NE
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Hi lodger. Thanks for your reply. I'm definately going to ask for test when I next see my gp. So glad your results were good. I've been on pred since Jan. '14. This is my third attempt at reducing but this time I persevered through the withdrawal symptoms. Worst thing is the tops of my arms (even on 15mgs this never completely went) and my legs are heavy and tired. I've got terrible bloating and painful neck/shoulder on right side but not sure if this is anything to do with steroids or down to one of my other conditions (most of which are steroid induced)! Was really hoping I'd have lost some steroid weight gain by now but not happening yet! Very upsetting as I have two family weddings next month and I wanted to feel attractive by then! :-(
pat38625 debbie27473
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Hi Debbie, in my case, most definately stress. I was diagnosed with ME/CFS 15 years ago (stress) then went on to have PMR diagnosed Nov '14. Started with 20mg now down to 3.5mg. Being a single parent for 23 years, no job, full time university, first bought house before breakup (I kept it on). No family support - no emotional support. Constantly juggling 6 balls in the air all the time, then had my mum come to live with me (she was in the early stages of Dememtia) lived with me for 2 years, one of my sons diagnosed with kidney disease, it just never ever stopped. I was on the conveyer belt of stress for ever. Now, I have slowly but surely handed a bit of repsonsibility over to son that still lives at home. Phew I am exhausted lol. I am alive and breathing and am so grateful, I am truly Blessed. Regards Pat
Susanne_M_UK debbie27473
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debbie27473 Susanne_M_UK
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Exactly. You've hit the nail on the head! Like you I brought up my two children on my own (ex-husband was a compulsive gambler who refused to get help), In the few years b4 pmr my father was terminally ill for a year. He lived 300 miles away so I was driving 600 mls a week to see him. That made me feel guilty for not being there for my son and daughter who were in sixth form by then. I worked 30hrs a week. Then dad died. A week later I had my car stolen. The following year my son was living with his girlfriend and they seemed settled. My daughter and I moved to Devon when my job became so stressful that I resigned. Then I developed skin cancer and had several (thankfully successful) operations, hence the financial crisis. Then after a lot of pain and falls I was diagnosed with spinal stenosis. Major operation which left me with nerve damage. Then wham, PMR! Wow that's 10 years in a nutshell as they say! Sorry, got a bit carried away once I started. x
pat38625 debbie27473
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Ditto - I'm sure we could write a book or even a trilogy lol. But sure we are here today to tell the tale Good luck.
Susanne_M_UK debbie27473
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lodgerUK_NE debbie27473
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Most auto-immune illnesses show just the same. Eventually the cause will be found, but what I do know - not in my lifetime.
Ardern debbie27473
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Sorry I do not fit the mold. I have been retired for two years finnacial stable resonable fit. I started off with server jaw pain what i thought to be ocular migraines and then server headache and week later a biospy and folowed with a positive test for TA. So it has been almost 10 months now I am down to 4 mg i beleive that my adernal gland function has been server depressed and are wait for some test at the end of August
Most of the orginal side effects have demished (but I still cannot spell) and at this level new ones are starting to appear I find it very furstrating
good luck Debbie
erika59785 debbie27473
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It was such a change to my well-being and mobility which brought me to tears many times --- and disbelieve that it would happen so suddenly.
It took me a long time to come to terms with this disease, but now I feel, I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. I started with 20 mg of prednisone and I am down to 6 1/2.....very slowly 1/2 mg a month.
This caring forum with the help of Eileen gave me understanding and hope!
maria60849 erika59785
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Erika I can totally relate to being in tears. Before I was diagnosed there were mornings when I couldn't even make myself a cup of coffee without pain and tears.
Everyone here are very understanding and I'm so greatful I found this site.
Anhaga debbie27473
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Mrs.Mac-Canada debbie27473
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Hi Debbie,
As I'm sure you know, your adrenals don't have to make cortisol until your pred dose drops below 7 1/2 mg (or so) so as you reduce further you need to make sure they are kicking back .
Here is what I have found out about my adrenal function so far. I have been on Prednisone for 3 1/2 years and have had 3 flares. The last one was the most discouraging because I was at 4mg and tried to decrease to 3.5mg. After dropping 1/2mg a week for 3 weeks I had a major flare for no apparent reason. I couldn't believe it!!! I had to go back to 10mg and after a very, very slow decrease, even slower than e DSNS method, I have been at 5mg for almost 3 months. I decided that this time I would make sure my adrenals were working well before I decreased any further in case that was my previous problem. I was supposed to have the ACTH Stimulation test but my GP put the wrong test on my form and I ended up having a cortisol test. I was taking my pred between 3 and 4am but didn't take it the day of the test. My cortisol level was about 1/2 of the minimum normal range. I went back to my GP and asked for the ACTH Stimulation test but she forgot to add the Stimulation part and I ended up just having the ACTH test but it to was 1/2 the minimum normal range. I can't get into a specialist until Sept. to have the Stimulation test ordered (crazy Canadian medical) but because of the low levels of cortisol and ACTH I am going to stay at 5mg until I learn more. I certainly don't want to have another flare and am willing to stay at 5mg for as long as it takes to get my adrenals up and running again (hopefully).
Sorry this was so long but thought my experience might give you more food for thought.
And, yes, I believe my PMR was triggered by stress as well but it's usually that last straw that breaks the camels back as they say.
Hope you find your adrenals are healthy and you can continue your reductions smoothly.
Hugs, Diana
lodgerUK_NE Mrs.Mac-Canada
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The ACTH test (also called the cosyntropin, tetracosactide, or Synacthen test) is a medical test usually ordered and interpreted by endocrinologists to assess the functioning of the adrenal glands stress response by measuring the adrenal response to adrenocorticotropic hormone (ACTH; corticotropin) or another ...
debbie27473 Mrs.Mac-Canada
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Thank you Diana. That was very informative. Your gp sounds rather incompetent when it comes to admin! I have been rather concerned about my adrenals and whether they are now producing their own cortisol. Hopefully there is not a long wait for the stimulation test here in Devon. Meantime I have had to buy much larger clothes for the fast approaching weddings! One of them is my son's, who is getting married in a castle and we are all dressing up as medeaval lords and ladies. My outfit is a red and gold, velvet, tudor gown. For once I will be hoping that it's not to hot! It's the photos that are the upsetting part. My steroid fat on show forever! I have avoided photos of myself for the past two and a half years. On the bright side, I will have to remember that no-one will be looking at me but at my son and daughter in law lol!
Good luck with your long awaited test. Sending you a return hug and best wishes for your recovery, Debbie.
Mrs.Mac-Canada debbie27473
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Your son's wedding sounds like it will be amazing and your dress will look beautiul. Weddings in castles are pretty rare here in Canada!!
Try not to worry about the weight thing. I remarried when I was six months in on the pred and was worried about how the wedding pictures would look. Everyone says that they only see my happy, radiant face and now I kind of get a kick at looking at those chipmunk cheeks.
Enjoy your weddings!
Hugs,
Diana