Adult suvivors of Rhesus Haemolytic Disease

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I agree that there is very little information about this condition. I was born with it and apparantly spent 2 months in an incubator. I would like more information on possible life long problems as a consequence of having this disease in infancy.

I am 34 and have suffered all my life with low immunity, fatigue depression and anxiety and general ME like symptoms. I suspect there is a connection.

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    Hello everyone.

    I feel so bad for all of you and your family members that are going through this especially when no one seems to understand what it's like to live this way.

    I found this discussion whilst curious about similar problems of my own and wondering if there might be a connection with events around my birth.

    I am 30 years old. I was not an Rh baby but had a similar issue, ABO Haemolytic Disease .This is where the blood types are incompatible rather than the Rh, causing a similar immune system response from the mother where antibodies are made which pass into the baby and blood cells are destroyed. Physiologically the potentially dangerous effects on the baby are the same such as anemia and severe jaundice so I think this is relevant to the discussion. The main differences with ABO as I understand them are that it is more common and unpredictable than Rh (can occur in first or any child in no particular order) and it is generally less dangerous except in severe cases or when unanticipated due to checks not being properly carried out by hospital (as was the case with me).

    My mother is O+ and I am A- like my father. During pregnancy my mother was given the routine ultrasounds but no blood tests were offered and not even asked about parent's blood groups (ABO incompatibility is not treated during pregnancy anyway but they should have at least identified the blood groups to anticipate the risks and so they would have known to test me immediately after birth). I was born full term weighing 6.4, mother says I moved and kicked strongly right up until birth so she never suspected anything was wrong. On the first day everything seemed fine aside from me having hiccups all day which my mother put down to a traumatic birth (both mother and fetal distress and forceps delivery). But on the next day doctors noticed the jaundice. This was when they finally did tests and discovered the ABO. I don't know what my levels were by then but it was obviously severe enough that they had to do blood exchanges as quickly as they could get hold of the blood (I think it was about 2 or 3 exchanges, the first wasn't enough). My mother doesn't recall them discussing potential outcomes with her but my father mentioned to me some years ago that the doctors had said if I survived I could be severely disabled. They kept me in hospital for 1 month after which it seems there was no follow up despite their previous concerns. It seems to be the case that if a baby doesn't show obvious signs of damage they just assume they are 100% ok and will have no further problems, even though it is known that the damage is a spectrum with varying degrees of severity.

    Childhood observations:

    For as long as I can remember I have struggled with things others seem to find easy. I have difficulty with my eye movements (it is even physically painful to look up) so I have trouble seeing all around me. My hearing has good and bad days but I've always had a problem distinguishing between different noises so I cannot hear well in a crowd or if more than one person is talking. I have difficulty controlling my movements and am very clumsy and uncoordinated. My speech is sometimes a bit difficult as well so I have to focus hard on that too, also remembering the right words. As a child I was very overwhelmed by being in school, there was just too much noise and movement all around me at once and I felt constantly bewildered. I also had some cognitive difficulties understanding other children/adults and my responses felt slow, like I couldn't keep up with them despite being intelligent. I was very shy although it wasn't classic shyness, more like a sense of depersonalization. Like my perception of the world around me felt sort of 'fuzzy' so it didn't feel quite real even though I knew it was. Physically I was always weak and sickly. I remember my parents getting hassle from the school due to the number of sick days I'd had in a year just from common colds and such. I was terrible at sports (uncoordinated, weak) and even just climbing a flight of stairs would cause my legs to ache, this was despite the fact I did a lot more running and walking than my peers - I used to run laps around the playground because I rarely played with other children, and I'd also discovered that running or walking allowed me to think much faster. My mother once asked me when I was little why I'd pace the room all the time and I told her: 'Because I need to. It helps my brain to function.'

    I had problems with writing, both physically controlling the pen and spelling. I could often read ok if I forced my eyes to focus (with difficulty). In fact I was reading at an advanced level. But when it came to writing I would often forget the order of the letters even in words I knew well. I was often criticized for having messy handwriting despite trying my best, and it always hurt my hands and fingers. In terms of maths it was another odd mix, I could do sums, even very complex ones for my age inside my head and know the answer - but I was completely incapable of memorizing a simple formula. Even to this day I cannot remember how to 'carry the 1', I can look it up and learn again but I just forget after a while. The teachers did notice I was different from other children and told my parents they thought I was mentally handicapped (as in retardation), my parents disagreed so I was given an IQ test and they were surprised to discover I was actually very highly intelligent.

    Health problems (sorry if I miss anything):

    Digestive issues that have been labeled as severe IBS although they include symptoms not typical. From early childhood there was problems with tearing/bleeding when going to toilet. By age 9 onwards I had intense IBS styles cramps bloating and diarrhea. By my late teens GERD and severe upper-abdominal dull pains occurring mostly after ingesting certain things (mainly spices and even small amounts of alcohol became impossible where I'd previously had no problems). Episodes of nausea and vomiting where a problem for a few years but that was likely due to NSAID medication reaction that made problems much worse. Undigested food in bowel movements, still have diarrhea most of the time. Hemorrhoids since about early 20s. A few years ago developed rectocele hernia (something more typically seen in women after childbirth). I've recently cut out wheat and gluten and this has helped a little with the cramps and bloating.  

    Chronically and sometimes severely underweight till my mid 20s regardless of calorie intake (and I'm still pretty slim now but then I also have narrow bones: face, fingers, nails, wrists etc are child-sized as if they never grew fully).

    Frequently recurring lower back problems started in early teens, became chronic at 19 when MRI revealed abnormal lordosis of the spine. Over the years pain and stiffness spread to the top of my spine, then my neck, then gradually everywhere. I have lots of creaking and cracking when I move my joints, in particular my neck which now makes loads of cracking even with the slightest movement. My fingers and hands have started to curl in like claws, they also have numbness and tingling. I'm fairly sure at this point that I have some kind of osteo-type issue but doctors are unwilling to listen since a very unprofessional, lazy and extremely rude doctor labeled me as having 'Functional Disorder' (basically a fancy way of saying we don't know and we can't be bothered to find out) without even properly examining me.

    Worsening tinnitus (ringing in ears). Pressure in ears that sometimes renders me partially deaf.

    Worsening eyesight. 

    Palpitations since 19.

    Chronic muscle aches since teens (although Magnesium Glycinate supplement has helped a bit).

    Kidney stones starting mid 20s. 

    Migraines since childhood.

    Worsening cognitive dysfunction (memory is much worse, attention span very difficult).

    Always tired/easily exhausted since mid teens, The addition of mobility issues means my activity is very limited by now.

    Systemic tendon problems since last year. In particular right achilles which has a lump where it hurts. 

    Very sensitive teeth with enamel problems despite rigorous oral hygiene. Bleeding and receding gums.

    Dermographism (an allergic skin reaction caused by even slight friction or irritation) has been worsening since mid 20s.

    Was told a few years ago I was 'a bit anaemic' despite having enough iron in my diet. I also used to get cracks in the corners of my mouth (a typical sign of anaemia), they went away with the addition of iron supplements.

    Tremors since mid 20s in varying degrees. Tourettes-like spasms such as head and arm jerks, sometimes a noise even comes from my throat now when it happens. 

    Terrible balance and is getting worse. I can't even stand still on the spot. I've been walking with a stick since 19.

     

    In terms of anxiety and depression I have noticed that I've started sporadically getting these feelings sometimes, usually lasting for a few hours then going away or transforming into irritation. It is very peculiar to experience this because it doesn't feel 'like me'. I was always fairly confident and have quite high self esteem despite everything. I do have some mild OCD type compulsions but I try to not give in to them when they occur, and I don't seem to feel too bad for it. Also I think a lot of this is down to not trusting my memory as well as I used to. Like I used to be able to remember when I'd zipped up my bag and not have to check, nowadays I have to keep checking it every so often because I can't be certain I did (and sure enough, sometimes I haven't. That never used to happen).

    I do feel as though I am aging before my time. I was never able to have friends my own age for very long, I just don't have the stamina to keep up with them on so many levels. My best friend is in her 50s and in most ways is much fitter than I am. My GP a few years back when I tried to explain how much I struggle with simple everyday tasks said: 'Don't let life pass you by'! I know what he meant but you know, it's not as if I was ever offered a choice! There was so much I wanted to do, and so much I still want now, but when I expend all my energy just to get the little things done and even then still seem to fall behind, I keep wondering if I'll ever even get the chance to fulfill my most modest of ambitions.  

    One more thing, just to mention I found this article about the affects of Bilirubin-induced neurologic dysfunction (BIND) on neurological development (hyperbilirubinemia is the severe jaundice that can be experienced by babies with haemolytic diseases like Rh and ABO). I found it interesting:

    www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4651619/

    Also reading about the long term symptoms of Kernicterus (the severe and more obvious brain damage that is known to occur from untreated/not successfully treated hyperbilirubinemia) makes me wonder if what many of us are experiencing might be a much milder or delayed version of this more easily identifiable condition. Children with kernicterus have:

    Movement disorders,

    Hearing problems,

    Eye movement problems,

    Speech impairment,

    Dental enamel issues,

    GERD and Impaired digestion,

    Conditions like osteoarthritis in young adulthood,

    Cognitive dysfunctions like problems with emotions, attention, logic, reasoning, problem solving, but usually not affecting IQ,

    Sound familiar?! 

    I really hope we can find some kind of answers to all this. Have a good day everyone. X

                  

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      Welcome to the forum, VioletSpiral. I am sorry you are having to cope with all of your difficulties. I hope that it gives you some comfort that there are others on this forum with similar issues, iN so far as we truly understand what you are going through. The kernicterus idea is interesting. We suggested this for our 34 year old daughter but were told her symptoms weren't serious enough at birth to warrant this diagnosis but as you suggest, it is quite possible that she/we suffer from a milder /delayed version.

      Thank you for the link, I shall look at it. Again you share many similarities of difficulties including coordination issues etc. etc.

      Keep in touch. 🙂

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      Thank you for your kind words Christine. It does help to know there are others out there with similar issues even if we are not properly medically acknowledged. I hope your daughter gets some answers. I think a big part of the problem is that many issues which may not show up easily in standards tests/observation may be little enough in themselves but are numerous enough that when combined they make for a more disabling internal experience to the sufferer.   

      At the moment, I'm trying to focus on adjustments to diet and such in the hope of improving my digestion and possibly other issues by extension, whilst it might only be a contributing factor to the rest it may be that poor digestion is a significant exacerbator. I can't imagine that those of us with persistent digestive issues, esp if they start early in life, would not have a big problem with vitamin and mineral absorption and eventually overall health. Or perhaps that's just wishful thinking on my part as nutrition is the one thing I might have SOME degree of control over.

      I'm often offline for several days at a time but I will try to keep in touch. smile

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      Hi, I dont know if you still are active on this thread. I Have been reading your post and I need to ask. Have you ever heard of Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome or EDS? It is a genetic connective tissue disorder. It is systemic and can effect your whole body. There was recently a new classification including many new subtypes and diagnostic criteria. I have hEDS or hypermobile Ehlers-Danlos syndrome. It is the most common type and also the ONLY type that has a clinical diagnosis as opposed to a genetic test. There is current research finally being done to try try to pinpoint the exact DNA sequence. There are also alot of comorbidities that often go hand in hand. A few are Chiari, POTS, Dysautomia, CCI, Functional GI Disorder, MCAS. Please check this

      Link out it has the most current info and many great resources. There are many facebook groups also i belong to and I have learned alot if your active on facebook search Ehlers-Danlos or EDS. I am 44 and I am an RH positive baby. Taken by c-section because of fetal distress at 8 months. Multiple blood transfusions. I almost died several times. I am trying to figure out if there is any kind of connection between EDS and RH Disease. I have found one other mention of EDS on here.

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      I have never heard of EDS but will definitely look into it thanks for the information 
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    I'm reading this forum, I'm in shock and so grateful to have found it.  I was the fourth RH child born before the Rhogam shot.  The Dr. told my mother she should have an abortion.  I was induced early and weighed 4 lbs.  I had two complete transfusions in the first days of my life.  Like others here the Drs. were so surprised I lived there was really no follow up.

    I was always called shy which was really anxiety.  I had many severe ear infections as a child and was generally sick a lot.  I was born with flat feet, relentless insomnia and bad teeth. It's always been a struggle for me to fight exhaustion.  My family called me Lazy.  Now as an adult I'm formally diagnosed with depression, ptsd and anxiety.    I'm becomming OCD and ironically it seems impossible for me to keep myself, my home and my thoughts in order.  I'm extremely sensitive to light, sound, smell and touch and I've needed glasses from a young age.  I also have a very  touchy digestive system.  My joints are starting to hurt more and more.

    I find myself here because somehow I just knew that being attacked in utero from day one of my life must have some far reaching consequences and...I was right.  It's such a comfort to know that my feeling alone and unable to connect might not mean I'm "crazy"  (which I've been called many many times).  It means I didn't develop or feel the inherent safety of the womb as most people do.

    I'm sure my writing is disjointed and I hope you all understand.  Thank you for sharing your experiences because reading them today has given me a whole new perspective about myself and my struggles.

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      Hello Susan

      I am sorry to read your story. It is not at all disjointed in fact, it is very coherent. I joined the forum on behalf of my daughter who has many similar 'symptoms' of Rhesus Disease. Like you there was no follow up after birth and her symptoms as an adult are addressed individually and do not get any better as she gets older.

      You are not crazy and there have to be many others who were affected before the Rhogam shot (anti-D injection) became commonplace and indeed for those who for one reason or another did not receive the shot in time or for whom the shot was not administered properly......

      The more we can find out, the better,  and I really hope that in time, the medical profession will become more aware of, and accept the symptoms and be able to research in order to help those like yourself who have been affected. 

      There are times when I have felt that my daughter is being lazy although I know she is genuinely tired and that her difficulties are not her fault....I do so much for her, it can be hard.  But I know it is very hard for you all so the more we know and the more we share the better. 

      I hope it gives you a bit of comfort to know that there are others experiencing similar difficulties and I send my very best wishes to you.

       

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      Thank you Christine.  Yes it does give me comfort to have found this forum and identify with so many good people.  I truly admire your efforts to help your daughter - you set an example of what a good mother does for her child.  You're honest about your experience as her mother and persistent to help her.  Your kind words to me - mean a lot.  Thank you.

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    I found out in 2010 that I had rh..took ten years to get a definite answer.went to mayo..diagnosed with polyclonal hypergammaglobulinemia.researched it and found out about this disease..mother passed in 1968 with cancer.and my father had her medical records sealed..he has passed and never found out why..so frustrating..I feel better now that I know what is wrong with me ..I am 54 years old with hepatitis c ..not in blood anymore..also have cirrhosis..blurred vision ..joint issues.and so on..I am so glad to be able to speak to others that understand it
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    I may be one of the earliest survivors of Rh disease, in that Dr. Wiener, who discovered the Rh factor, was one of my physicians early on, and my older sister remembers monkeys in his lab that was attached to his office when I was taken there for monitoring. In 1945, it was a total surprise that I was born jaundiced and blue, since the condition, as we know now, didn't appear in the first baby. I had blood transfusions through my head since the vessels there were large enough to accomodate the needles. Dr. Wiener wrote me up in the Medical Journal, which I suppose was JAMA. My parents are long gone now, and unfortunately, that's all I know. The questions I have now, at this stage of my life, don't seem answerable.

    Was I oxygen-deprived? If so, did that have an effect on me physically? Could I have inherited any traits from the strangers who gave my newborn body their blood? That last question is relative to those that most of you have as well. My headaches from childhood have worsened as I've aged. I tend to be a loner and a depressive to some small extent. And I'm kind of high strung. Yet for myself, I can't blame any of the Rh happenings for my problems. I could have died, should have died, so every year has really been a bonus. I'm really a miracle baby who is intelligent, caring, have children and grandchildren, but have had one husband I divorced and couldn't really form a healthy relationship with a good man. Is that from Rh? I hardly think so!

    My point is that I accept, whether I may want to or not, the physical and mental parts of me, as me--a combination of my parents and their families, and of my experiences and upbringing. That all. Think what you like and how you like, whatever gives you comfort, and that is what I'll do.

    This really isn't a reply to Guest, but being new here, I didn't know how to begin my own question/statement.

      

     

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      Thank you for your entry, Trudy. As a second child of Rhesus neg Mum and Rhesus pos Dad born in the 1940's, you were very fortunate to have the correct medical treatment soon after birth and therefore as you say, each day is a blessing in that you have been able to live a 'normal' life.   I know many second children like you who have been able to do just that. Some of the people on this forum have either not received the correct treatment at birth or were the third pregnancy for their mothers and the symptoms and problems they endure mean are so severe that they cannot live a healthy, happy life. It seems that they want the medics to recognise their symptoms and condition as a result of the RH and to have some understanding and compassion for their situations and perhaps in time have some treatments to help them or at least which will help future affected individuals because oversights and medical neglect still happen/s.

      I guess the contributors to this discussion do, like you, accept their lot, but by sharing with others, it helps them to cope. 

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      Hi trudy81527,

      Just read your post from months back. To some extent, I feel the same as you. I was born in 1960 and became seriously ill a few hours after birth and was given an exchange transfusion. Like you, I could have died, and the doctors were not optimistic. My transfusion was given through a vein in my ankle. I too feel like a survivor, and I know that, whatever impact the illness and subsequent transfusion had on me, I would not have survived a week without medical intervention, and am very grateful to the doctors who saved my life. I feel that I have lived my whole life on 'borrowed time'. With four children and seven grandchildren my life has been and is full. Howver, I do wonder about what my doctor calls the 'knock on effects' of my medical background.

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    It means a lot to me to have found this thread and to hear from adults living with Rh disease - my mom was born in 1954 - also during that period when she was able to survive through transfusion, but without the Rhogam vaccination available. She suffered extensive brain damage - her ability to write is challenged (otherwise I would encourage her to write on here as well), but she has incredible artistic abilities in drawing, painting, and collage. She's amazing, but the only job she has ever been able to hold was as a house cleaner. Eventually we worked to get her disability insurance. 

    My grandmother was really embarassed and ashamed about my mom because of the time period, the social class to which she belonged, but also (I've suspected) the feeling that she caused what happened to my mom. 

    I'm a teacher of writing and have been trying to write about my mom as part of this "Rh generation" of adults who got to live before the vaccination (I think more people should know), but with interventions that may not have been enough to prevent complications or health challenges. I'd love to keep talking further with anyone who also processes this experience through writing or wants to tell their story to someone smile

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    I am a (soon to be) 52 yr old woman. I was born in a US Army hospital on the top of a mountain in Eritrea in 1964. I was born jaundiced, suffering from RH Disease as well as ABO incompatibility and Thrombocytopenia. The doctors were stumped. They had no idea what was wrong and how to treat it. After a couple of week in ICU my parents were told to come say goodbye as I wouldn't make it much longer. They had to do 2 exchange transfusions.

    In childhood I had mumps, strep throat and scarlet fever and recurrent sore throats. As an adult I lost my tonsils to an extremely virulent bacterial infection, was diagnosed with pernicious anemia, develpoed intrinsic and extrinsic asthma, multiple environmental allergies, photosensitivity.and multiple episodes of bronchitis, walking pneumonia, pharingitis, ear infections and sinus infections. I don't get colds or flu-or if I do they immediately worsen into one of the above. Since 2007 I have had 32 seperate episodes of Bronchitis/pneumonia and have taken 70÷ courses of antibiotic. (It generally takes 3 courses to kill whatever bacteria is causing the iklness). I have even had a profound case of pseudomonas aeruginosa. Blood tests routinely show abnormally low neutrophils, though the wbc and lymphocytes are often high.

    I regularly breakout in "mystery hives". More often than not I can find no reason for them. Every day seems to bring yet another new allergy.

    I am, "always sick". I believe that the issues/illnesses I suffer from are directly related.

    About 10 years ago I found a study that follow a number of adults who had been born with RH disease and or ABO incompatibility-the results indicated that the adults developed autoimmune disorders. I have not been able to find it again.

    I am absolutely certain my problem is an autoimmune disorder and it is directly related to my birth. Even my doctors tell me its autoimmune but they cant name it. It isn't MS, CFS or lupus.

    Does anyone know of any studies?

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      Look into CVID, Common Variable Immune Deficiency. Have your IgG and IgA levels checked.
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      Look up Sjogren's Syndrome.  You have some symptoms similar to me. This is a little known autoimmune disease that is becoming  more studied and diagnosed.  Also, Penicious anemia is an autoimmune disease as well.

       

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