Adult suvivors of Rhesus Haemolytic Disease

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I agree that there is very little information about this condition. I was born with it and apparantly spent 2 months in an incubator. I would like more information on possible life long problems as a consequence of having this disease in infancy.

I am 34 and have suffered all my life with low immunity, fatigue depression and anxiety and general ME like symptoms. I suspect there is a connection.

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    Hi. I was born 55 years ago with a mother with blood group O- and mine was 0+. I had blood transfusion 48 hours after I was born and with my Mum being a doctor, she was mortified when she saw my billirubin values. She didn't know whether I would be able to speak, hear or walk. As it happens, I was a very active and highly intelligent child. However, until the age of 10, I used to suffer from severe tonsillitis and my teeth were always in a bad state. My problems started in my 30s - anxiety and panic attacks. 2 years ago, I fell badly an injured my ankle and it continues to hurt, although it was checked and was not broken. There seems to be a lot in common between us. I wish you luck!

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    As a baby I suffered from rhesus incompatibility.  My mother nearly died and I had to have have a transfusion - possibly 2 and nearly died also.  I have suffered massive fatigue all of my life, weakness but fortunately this did not affect my intellect - 1 degree, some postgrad qualifications and numerous diplomas.  I had to be careful I did not overdo things and to avoid too many stressful political situations.  My siblings and relationships with others suffered because what I had appeared invisible and so was quite often misunderstood.  I was excused from any cross country and sprints due to low or little stamina.  The condition was shelved as I was born in the mid fifties - and any hint of it was kept under wraps.

     

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    I am a Rhnegative mom who was induced 5wks early because I had developed the antibiotics which were attacking my 2nd son.  Because the bilirubin in my amniotic fluid had developed high levels, the decision was made to induced.  He had two blood transfusions and spent a week in the hospital.  The antibodies were discovered with my first son at about two weeks before my due date.  He came very soon after this but with no problems.  Once he was born, they gave me the RhoGam shot immediately after he was born.  At that point, they did not give it to the mothers before the baby was born because they did not know what it could do to the baby.  I became pregnant with my 2nd son eight years later.  I was not given another shot because they said once the antibodies were started, it was too late.  My son is 25 years old.  When I researched the disease back then, it was my understanding that at the stage of development when the antibodies began is what determined what was detrimental to the baby.  While extremely intelligent (he's an aerospace engineer), he suffers from OCD and depression.  I will add though that these illnesses run in my family.    He also has had chronic ear infections.  What led me to your forum is my researching about gallstones as my son went to the ER today and they discovered he had one.  20% of the gallstones are made of salts and bilirubin.  I wonder if there is a connection.

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    Howdy from Texas. Glad to find this thread as I have been in pretty good health until about 4 years ago and then have been progressively more ill.

    I am O Rh Negative Blood Type Current Diagnosis are: Fever of Unknown Origin, Inflammation everywhere intermittently, Thyroiditis, Hashimotos and Graves Swings, Scolosis, Buldging Discs, PCOD, demineralizing bones/osteoarthrosis,  history of an etopic and also blighted pregnancy. Currently I am being ruled out for autoimmune encelopathy. I have high TPOAb and TgAb antibodies. Noone here can get this thing diagnosed correctly and I don't meet criteria for diability - so I am working part time as able and living off of life insurance. I am trying to figure this out. I was running half marathons and rock climibing prior to being ill, today I have trouble getting the trash out. I am doing the no lechthin paleo autoimmune diet and a bunch of suppliments. Noone has offered me treatment but are willing to monitor me as I cascade down this awful path with doctors monitoring. Makes me so angry.

    I am wondering about RhoG (RhoGAM), Rh negative status and the protective mechanism from a womens hormones? 

    I had a RhoGAM shot in 1996 (the year they supposedly stopped putting mercury in it  - gross) after my second pregnancy. I don't think I received it after my 3rd and was very ill after that pregnancy terminated. I have not been able to carry a pregnancy to term.

    My symptoms became chronic when I became perimenopausal.  The closer to menopause I get, the sicker I became.

    Autoimmune encelopathy can be caused from TPOAb and TgAb antibodies. And one underlying cause of this can be a teratoma (fetal cells that can present like a fibroid). I am wondering if Rh negative follows that same trajectory? Either my immune system is attacking the forign plasma antibodies from the RhoGAM or the RhoGAM was not matched/typed correctly, or both. This could also be the same for fetal cells that could still be somewhere in my system.

    When I first became ill, everyone thought I was perimenopausal and I started on animal produced pregnalolone. Natural pregnalolone is the foundational hormone for all the other women hormones and without it you can't build or increase hormone levels. I got well! Did the happy dance, and then 10 months later it stopped working. And then this downward spiral began. 

    I think that a woman's natural pregnalolone can protect her until perimenopause - hence the many comments about sudden illness at middle age. I think there is great promise for it as a treatment by doctors provided they can get the dosing correct. Steroids long term will melt your bones - which may be the case for me. So looking for other options. Stuff I have found on Researchgate shows promise with a short high dose of vyclocvier and  also low dose naltrexone. Either deminishing the antibodies or increasing the hormones appears to help. 

    I will be infront of an autoimmune neurologist next week (yay!) and presenting this to be considered and asking that UT Southwestern in Dallas do an interdiciplinary meeting as getting this problem treated will require this type of approach. Our collective symptoms involve all domains of the body. Your blood impacts every domaine of your body and so far I have been to 10 specialist who just do their own "speciality" and are not getting the bigger picture here. Or they think I am a nut. I have a great PCP who has allowed me to arm-chair quarterback this plan. 

    Wondering if anyone knows of an autoimmune or immune specialist hemotologist who is knowledged in the Rh negative issues? UT does not have that, but they are a research hospital and I am hoping to peak their interest and provide them a resource.

    Curious for your thoughts? It seems there are also two groups in this thread: I know some of you have a different senario of being born/reciepient of Rh Disease, others of  you may have aquired it - pregnancy/RhoGAM/transfusion are the vehicle.

    Thanks and blessings to all of you for good health,

    T. in Texas

     

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    I went through something similar for 10 years.went to mayo clinic.recieved a lot of answers.genetic testing ..found out I have polyclonal hypergammaglobulinemia.explained alot.did my own research.also am rh-.we are born with certain disorders.i have to much igg protein in my body.hopefully this helps you.also cd44
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    Howdy from Texas,

    I have my first autoimmune neurology appointment tomorrow. Hope it will be productive. This problem has cost me 19K in out patient and ER visits over the last 4 years. 

    Curious too if anyone on here has Rh- blood for both maternal and paternal grandfathers. Rh- can only be passed from the paternal line. I thought it was odd that I have a double whammy of it with both grandfathers being Rh- and I am Rh-. Scoured the journals for this question and have not found an answer. 

    Hemotology is very complicated. If anyone knows of specialist in the states who work with autoimmune hemotology, I would love to get their name.

    Thanks,

    T.

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    Hi Everyone,

    Im from Australia and sofar this is the only thing I have found about Rhesus. I have asked Doctors about this and they look at me as if I'm crazy. Mum is AB- & dad was O+ & I'm A+.

    I have had bad sinuses since i was younger & bad eyesight. I am 42 & have had 2 cataract surgeries and this week I had a virectomy surgery for a detached retina. I have also not been able to have any children, i miscarried when i was 18 & the next two pregnancies were ectopic both requiring surgeries. I have problems sleeping & having a close peer group connections.

    Mum was not told anything about Rhesus when pregnant with myself or older brother but she did say they took lots of blood tests. I was not jaundice & did not have any blood transfusions. I was not able to have breastmilk when i was a baby as i kept vomiting it up so i had carnation milk & mixed with bergers which mum was told to give me from a doctor as it would act like a glue and stay in my stomach.

    Im so happy to have found somewhere that I can post & also have discussions with others regarding this.

    Val

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      Hi Val, I'm in Australia too. Given your age it is likely your mother was given the antiD vaccinations which aim to prevent the development of antibodies against rhesus positive blood by the babies mother. I'm not sure if there are any long term affects associated with these injections. Rhesus disease generally requires treatment with blood exchange transfusion soon after birth, and sometimes interuterine. Although your parents do have different rhesus factors, I am not sure that you have had rhesus disease - your history does not suggest this, and the antiD vacinnations pretty much eliminated its occurrence.

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      Hi val, im from australia, there is 8 children in our family between the ages of 40&59years... Mums blood group is A rh- and fathers O positive..... Mum did not have any needles after hAving us to combat the Antibodies? We all suffer from different ailments with anxiety, depression, brain fog, fibromyalgia, sleep disorders, fatigued, allergies And auto immune disorders(which we r trying to understand why)..(most of us  live a healthy lifestyle, however still feel like we have been run over by a truck...One sister seems to think we are lacking enzymes to properly absorb our food, she has been to specialists and immunologist) and if we have too much of a  particular protein we become unwell....i have been to many naturopaths, herbalist, specialist for my sleep issues and still feel tired all the time....We have wondered if we would be different if our mum had  had the antibody needle?

      I am spending time with a 40year yoga master at the moment, so will let you know if i start to sleep better.. At the moment i find it hard to do the stretches and get pain from Yoga.. Im going to push on with this no matter what smile

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    Hi. Ive had three children, last two have needed inter urtinerine transfusions and full exchange transfusions when induced at 34 weeks.  Both kids are fine now, but I suffer from anxiety all the time.  I have also been diagonosed with high iron count in blood, which is weird as docs thought I was anaemic - kids are fine, but was wondering what long term effects are for Rh incompatibility people
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    Hi!  So glad to find this site.  I am 58 and an RH survivor.  I see so many people here have had the same kind of issues that I have had.
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    So glad I found this forum. I was the second child, born in 1960. Although my mother says that she told the hospital staff she was Rh negative, she says they did not listen. Within a few hours of birth I was severely jaundiced and rushed across town to the children's hospital where I was given an exchange blood transfusion, plus a normal transfusion due to anemia. The prognosis was not good, doctors told my parents that if I did survive I would most likely have physical and intellectual disabilities. Thankfully, their prognosis was wrong and I developed normally and have a high IQ (from my father). However, I have always had a tendency to get 'run down', to need additional vitamins, especially B group. I have suffered from anxiety and depression for most of my life, and now in my 50's have a range of health issues which are similar to others mentioned on this forum. I have asked my GP about the long term impact of Rh disease and he basically dismissed the idea. I found almost 40 years ago that I have low, though still normal levels of two immunoglobins - IgE and IgG I think, but could be mistaken. I was working at a medical laboratory and they needed new controls for some of the blood tests they ran, so they asked all staff if they would be prepared to have a small blood sample taken for anaysis. After analysis, they asked if I would be willing to provide a larger blood donation (a pint or so) as they had discovered I had suitable blood characteristics to be used as a 'low' control. I wonder if this is due to my early medical history, and would be interested to know if anyone else with a history of rhesus disease has unusual immunoglobin levels.

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      Hi Nan94941,

      You ask some great questions. I have a hypothesis regarding persons with Rh- blood who have received a transfusion, plasma (RhoGAM), etc. If anyone has a hemotologist or autoimmune hemotologist, I think that is were we may have an answer. My idea is that if the RH- person was infused with a different blood type, then when they do testing for IgE and IgG, I think they could be reading a false positive - reading the doner levels of the IgE and IgG and not the actual level that your blood would produce. The doner's blood antibodies would override your own. This is why RhoGAM works and if it fools the body, could it not fool the lab testing? One reason I wondered about this is my Complement C is deficient and low, which is the immune system highway to all the other pathways - IgE and IgG. Those for me are in the lower range but still normal so noone has been willing to take a look at that. Curious Nan, if you have had your immune system, specifically the Compliment System tested? 

      I strongly feel that other Rh- folks  are at risk to become ill due to poor matching of plasma or transfusion doners. I think once we have infused a donar into our own system that there is a lot of room for havoc, and especially with perimenopause women as the natural pregnalolone in your endocrine system which is protective deminishes, you find yourself with no protection to the antibodies which are not yours and your body attacks these. Hemotology is very complex. I have yet to find any research that proves or disproves this idea. I find it odd too, in the case of RhoGAM, there are NO published longitudinal studies on this. Bayer owns all the research on RhoGAM. For folks with mismatched blood transfusions, research shows the symptom presentation is pretty similar in both where autoimmune antibodies attacking the immune system and because the symptom presentation can be so diverse, its difficult to pin down the cause and effect. If the problem is in your blood it can go everywhere which leads to misdiagnosis and possibly death for some who don't get the root problem figured out. Specifically on Facebook thyroid sites I am seeing a lot of O Rh- have similar health issues for what is described in this forum. I believe we are a good sample cohort and hope someone interested in this may find us, study us and prevent these health issues from happening to others. I would love to see the medical community take a more educated and responsible approach when treating folks who are Rh-.

      T.

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      Thank you for your response. Yes, I've had my immune system tested and was recently diagnosed with Hypogammaglobulemia or Common Variable Immuno deficiency. My IgG and IgA levels are low. Was put on Hizentra 4g 20% weekly, its human globulin taken from blood. Have noticed some improvements however am finding myself dealing with autoimmune conditions like Alepeacia Areana.

      Not certain what the compliment system is but will look into. Thanks again.

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      Thanks for your response. No, I have not had detailed investigation into my immune system. I certainly have noticed a decline in my health post menopause so your comments regarding preganolone are also interesting.
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      Hi Again,

      Was thinking about your post and thought it best to clarify haemoletic (did I spell that right?) disease. It is also known as rhesus disease and affects new born babies and babies in-utero. It is caused when the mother has rhesus negative blood and the father and baby have rhesus positive blood. The mother's body develops antibodies which destroy the babies blood. It has largely been eliminated in the western world due to antiD vaccination which was introduced in the 1960's, Prior to this the treatment was blood exchange transfer to the infant. Rhesus negative blood was used for this to flush out the antibodies which had crossed into the babies blood from the mother.

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      Hi Nan94941,

      You are correct that haemoletic/rhesus disease affects babies and is the primary topic of the site and certaintly pertains to you and the majority here. I apologize if my post was confusing. I had clarified that point in a previous post so my oversite. I think haemoletic disease can also backfire back to the mother in some cases either through some mixing of the fetal cells or mismatching the doner plasma that contains the RhoGAM antibodies. The symptom presentation of both are similar, which is how I found this site. 

      Wishing everyone to be well. T. 

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      Thanks for explaining. Yes, I see what you are saying. There is definitely some blood flow from the fetus to the mother across the placenta which is now the antibodies begin to develop. My mother is now in her 80's and after having four babies - eldest unaffected, me, a stillborn child and a later child who had to be born 5 weeks early and have 2 exchange transfusions her blood apparently has unusual characteristics. I don't know in detail but I know she was told a good while ago that her blood is not acceptable for her to be a blood donor.

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      Hi.. very interesting . I am starting to research on the net . I am a 52year old , I am the 3rd child of a Rh negative mother and Rh pos father. I know that As a new born I was taken by emergency ambulance to a general hospital where I had an exchange of blood and spent time in an incubator. My late mum was traumatised by this event after giving birth to me. Anyway, I have always been a little anaemia, had heavy periods and suffered quite a few minor ailments . In the last 1 1/2 years I have needed regular blood tests because my wbc count and specifically neutrophils have been below the lowest end of the normal range. I am perimenapausal I think also. I have experienced some of the symptoms people have described , but otherwise ok . I am quite anxious about my next blood test outcome. I also now grown up children. My daughter is Rh negative. She has suffered from some problems with her immune system and I think her tests show low side levels of white cells too , she is prone to skin infections as she had eczema as a child. I am Aldo thinking that this could be all related to me and my weak immune system??? Very interesting stuff . I work in the NHS myself btw.

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