Advice please Possible copd or asthma

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Hello I wonder if someone could give me some advice.

My husband ws taken to hospital just over a week ago due to severe breathing problems, coughing and wheeze.  We have both had some sort of virus the 2 weeks before.  My husband is an exsmoker teens until age 62.  He gave up 7 years ago and it now nearly 70.  He was on a nebuliser ventolin and steroids.  He was discharged last Wednesday with 2 more days of predisilone to complete the course, ventolin as and when and symbicort inhaler 1 puff twice a day.  His peak flow was only 150 to 200 in the hospital and has been slowly increasing over the last week days. Best one was 380.  He is still  coughing a lot but his breathing is much better,  I am not sure if this is because he has finished the steroids course but today his peal flow is around 200 to 230.  Also he does seem to have difficulty using the peak flow tube.  I myself have has asthma for around 13 years mild and controlled with 2 puffs symbicort twice a day plus very ventolin infequently only really when I have a cold.  He is due to hav e lung function tests in 2 days at the hospital followed by various blood tests for allergies and other things.  The consultant had said that after all these tests they will be able to tell whether it is copd or asthma allergy etc,although they did say it is unsual for asthma to start at 69.  I am worried about the drop in the peak flow.  I wanted to call the hospital for advice but he said no he was alright apart from coughing and the low peak flow.  I am concerned that over night he will have trouble breathing again.  I have always been told to increase my pulmicort if I have breathing difficulties and well as using my ventolin.  I wonder if he should do this or do you think it is just a blip.  Any thoughts and advice appreciated.  He keeps telling me not to fuss

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    Hi again to all those who were kind enough to post back.  My husband is much better since his 2nd overnight stay in hospital.  The Starrs rapid response nurses have taken him off the nebulisers.  He is on 2 puffs symbicort 20/6 twice a day salbutamol 2 puffs 4 times a day this is to compensate for stopping the nebuliser and spiriva once a day.  His breathing is much better still coughing but not quite as much and sleeping better.  He managed to mow the lawn on Sunday with just a little breathlessness which stopped when he rested. He also wore a face mask.  He did take salbutamol before mowing.  He does not have his lung function tests or blood tests for 2 weeks and no appointment through yet for the consultant clinic.  Should be in about 4-6 weeks.  We are going away for 4 night all being well next Wednesday.

    So far so good but being an anxious person I am still worried.  Some questions and would appreciate your opinions.  My husband always a beer drinker likes to go out 4 times a week at around 10pm to his local club for a couple of pints.  He goes by bus and gets in between 11.30 and 12.  I have asked him to cut down because he has weight to lose including beer belly and I know this would help with the breathing and copd.  My other concern is as winter sets in should he really be going out this late at night and drinking cold beer.  I am all for going out and about exercising etc during the day but worried about night time and the cold air.  I know that he would be wise to wear a hat and scarf over mouth and nose in the winter.

    I hope I am not making a fuss over nothing but he is not the sort of person who likes to be told what to do and he enjoys going out of an evening.  He has always done this much more when he was younger.  Can you also comment on whether the cough with COPD is there all the time to some extent.  I think that it is the cough that troubles him the most.  Not bringing any mucus up now but cough sounds like he needs to if you know what I mean.  He has the rescue pack of predisolone and antibiotics from the gp and all the inhalers have been put on repeat presciption.  Once he has had the lung function and allergy blood tests done and a firm diagnosis I am going to find out about P R and the self help group Breath Easy.  Thank you.

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      The coldness of the beer won't hurt him:  sometimes the only thing that eases my coughing is an anticol lozenge with an icy cold drink - it seems to numb the throat for a while.

      Going out into cold air is a different matter because it contracts the bronchial tubes and will make breathing difficult.

      Up to him though:  I'd suggest you mention it and then drop it.

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      Hi ,if he still has the cough that's not productive but feels / sounds like it could be ,,,,maybe use a flutter devise fron GP of Amazon sell them £45 ,I use mine in a morning it's surprising how you can bring up stuff when you think your ok ,it's easy to use go on you tube ,
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      Its difficult to change the habits of another person and if your husband wants to keep on drinking he probably will do just that.  For some with damaged lungs fizzy drinks are not tolerated (this includes beer) as it has a tendency to bloat the stomache and restrict the diaphragm and breathing. 

      Going out on cold winter evenings may not be a good idea either.  

      I have heard of one person who would go pub crawling on a cold winters night and end up on hospital because of an exacerbation in symptoms.  

      Many people with COPD couldn't do beer drinking or going out on a cold winters evening, but there are some who can and I guess your husband could be one of these people.  Or perhaps your husband will realise himself that late night beer drinking affects his breathing more expecially so on cold winter nights.

      As we approach winter in UK the annual flu shot is advised for people with damaged lungs.

      With regard the cough and to help bring up mucus ask GP for mucodyne or something similar which helps thin the mucus making it easier to bring up.  Also drinking plenty of water will help keep the mucus more fluid.  

      If you can attend with your partner at PR you will both learn much about the things which will help manage symptoms and improving the chances of remaining stable and preserving lung health.

      Enjoy your break away.

      Best wishes V

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      This is not in response to Vee2, but to people in general on this forum.

      Wonderful advice and support on this site, however, please remember

      that is all it is - adice and support.  As far as I know none of us are doctors

      or specialists in copd, could be wrong.  Finding it somehwat, not sure what word to use here, unsettling maybe? that advice given that works for one person may or may not work for another person.  Great if it works for you, but it most likely or could (who knows?) work for the next person.  COPD is an individualistic disease, ie. it is different for each and every one of us, the meds that are prescribed for one person may not work for the next one and the list goes on.  Personally, I just try to do as well as I can, eat well, sleep well, exercise as much as I can and retain a positive attitude.  Last one in particular doesn't always happen, but I try everyday to make it happen.  Breathe easy. x

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    If you wish to check further libralady13, here are two patient UK page links (below) the information may help you to decide.

    Asthma : https://patient.info/health/asthma-leaflet

    COPD:   https://patient.info/health/chronic-obstructive-pulmonary-disease-leaflet#nav-4

    If you scroll down on the COPD page its says:

    Quote.

    What's the difference between chronic obstructive pulmonary disease and asthma?

    COPD and asthma cause similar symptoms. However, they are different diseases. Briefly:

    In COPD there is permanent damage to the airways. The narrowed airways are fixed, and so symptoms are persistent (chronic). Treatment to open up the airways is therefore limited.

    In asthma there is inflammation in the airways which makes the muscles in the airways constrict. This causes the airways to narrow. The symptoms tend to come and go, and vary in severity from time to time. Treatment to reduce inflammation and to open up the airways usually works well.

    COPD is more likely than asthma to cause an ongoing cough with phlegm (sputum).

    Waking at night with breathlessness or wheeze is common in asthma and uncommon in COPD.

    COPD is rare before the age of 35 whilst asthma is common in under-35s.

    There is more likely to be a history of asthma, allergies, eczema and hay fever (so-called atopy) in people with asthma.

    Both asthma and COPD are common, and some people have both conditions. (See separate leaflet called Asthma for more information.)

    End quote

    Reference it being uncommon for people with COPD to wake during the night with breathlessness.  This can happen with COPD if the person has a lung infection, pneumonia or very badly damaged lungs, I'm talking a very low lung function.  I've known and know people with severe COPD whose lung function between 17 and 24% who experience distress during the night.

    I would think ask your husbands doctor (make telephone appointment if you haven't already spoken with the doc about this) explaining what is happening during the night and what to do to help.  Do you or your husband have a oximeter at home?  This measures blood oxygen levels, your doctor or respiratory nurse would have one of these if your husbands blood oxygen hasn't already been checked, do ask for this check.

    I am not a medical professional but I have had emphysema for over 10 years and have been associating with people with different lung conditions during that time.  10 years + is a lot of learning about lung conditions, especially as I was once heavily involved with the lung foundation and with the local breathe easy group.

    I do hope things get sorted for your husband real soon and that you won't have to wait too long for your results of the tests carried out with the consultant.

    Best wishes V

    PS 

    Pulmonary Rehabilitation for people with diagnosed lung conditions is an excellent education programme which includes techniques and knowledge to help yourself manage your symptoms, identify a lung infection, the importance of diet and exercise and so much more.  The more you read or get to know other peoples experiences the more you will realise whilst we share many of the same symptoms and difficulties, we don't all share the same ones, it really does depend on the diagnosis, some just having one lung disease or airway disorder and others having 2 or 3 different lung or airway problems going on.  This of course means some will be on the same medicines and others will not.  Some react to medicines and can make symptoms worse in that case to go back to see the doctor is always the best thing to do and always act quickly should breathing deteriorate or symptoms are exacerbated.

    Also if your husband or yourself are in serious difficulty breathing ever, don't hesitate to call the emergency service, the paramedics will come out quite quickly and they can decide if you need to go to hospital or if you can be treated at home.  

    Attending a Breathe Easy group will put you in touch with key people and those that can help whenever things become more difficulty.  Age UK, BLF usually have lists of contact for help you can access on just about anything.

    Apologies this post is quite long.  

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      Thank you for all the information and for taking the time to reply to my 

      never ending questions.

      As I have said I will find out about PR and Breathe Easy once he has seen the consultant.  Still no appointment through but this maybe because he had his lung function tests cancellled as he was back on steroids.  The new appointment for lung function is 28th September.

      I would not hesitate to call an ambulance if needed I know how important this is.  

      With regard to COPD or Asthma.  It is writtten on his discharge letter as Copd exacerbation am I have accepted this is what it is.  My husband I think still thinks it might be asthma.  When we see the consultant I am sure he will tell him exactly what is what.   

      With his coughing, yesterday late afternoon and evening he was coughing more but his breathing was ok.  He does not remember coughing much in the night and this morning he has hardly coughed at all.  Is this common or could be related to what he has been doing or where he has been that day.

      From what I read the peak flow readings are for asthma which is what I thought having had mild asthma for over 10 years also on symbicort.

      I only really ever do peak flows when I have a cold and hardly ever use ventolin.  Perhaps I am placing too much important on peak flow results and should go by his breathing.  Am I right on this.  Before all this I did know of COPD as I know 2 people who have this but I knew very little about it.  I have a few health problems but try to keep a positive attitude so I can help him.  

      Now he has the rescue pack and instructions regarding what to do during a flare I feel much better.  However as he has had 2 flares and 2 lots of steroids from 30th August to 9th September I am concerned this will happen again and the tests will be put back again.

      I don't know what part of the country you are in but we are in Greater London.  It is really hard to get gp appointments the gp we really like to see only works 3 days a week.  Of course in an emergency you will see anyone.  I usually try to book on line but you must log  in 8am for that day or sometimes you can get one the following week if it not urgent which is what I myself tend to do.  It is no good ringing the surgery.  They ask you to call at 8am but usually it it engaged for an hour and when you do get through there is nothing left.  They do however offer telephone consultations which can be helpful.  I have lost count of the times whilst waiting in the waiting room for my appointment to hear the receptionist say to patients calling nothing today please call tomorrow at 8am.  At at recent appointment we were kept waiting over an hour.  When we eventually saw the gp they apologised and said that people who could not get an appointment had arrived at the surgery wanting to be seen.  Perhaps we should do that but we play by the rules.

      On a happier note we all being well will go to see our daughter for a few days next week.  It is a long drive and unfortunately I don't drive so I can't share the driving.  We will take our time and stop a couple of times we do anyway.  We are looking forward to seeing her new house and the grandchildren.  Fingers crossed everthing goes to plan.

      Sorry for going on a bit.  

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      Yes I have the same problem seeing my own doctor, she is only in 2 days a week my location and 2 days at another location 18 miles away.  When a needs must regarding appointments, I may see one of the other doctors at the surgery or if I don't have confidence in the doc available I just go to the walk in clinic and take my chances there. Otherwise to see my own doctor I can wait 6 weeks or more even booking in advance.  Its getting more and more difficult to get access to GP, consultants for treatment and I would recommend anyone that can't get an appointment or the treatment they need just to phone the 111 service. Definitely lung patients should not wait 3 weeks if they think they have a lung infection.

      BLF helpline may be able to advise you further, about your husbands COPD, of course your husband may have both asthma and COPD but that is something the consultant should be able to enlighten you on.

      If your GP surgery has a respiratory clinic it may be worth checking in there for an appointment, (could be quicker than seeing the doc)

      Some people with lung conditions do cough a lot, but you shouldn't just accept it as part of the illness, the doc should still check things out, listen to lungs etc and of course the doc will prescribe medicines in accordance with his findings.  For something your husband is experiencing, if he doesn't already have medicine to control the symptoms he should see a doctor.

      Of course if he is still recovering from a lung infection he will be coughing and if he has just finished a course of anti biotics and steroids but his symptoms are no better he may need to start another course of anti biotics etc.  But personally I would always check first with the doc, sputum sample may determine if he needs a different anti biotic.

      Gotta run now, visiting friend in hospital.

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      Hi latest on my husband still no consultant appointment though it was supposed to be 6-8 weeks after the tests which he has had to get a proper diagnosis.  The 6 weeks are up so he phoned today nothing on his records at the appointments so he spoke to the consultants secretary who promised to make sure an appointment is posted.  Would not be surprised if it is weeks before he is seen.  My son who had a suspected minor stroke a month ago was supposed to be seen in 4 weeks and he phoned to day and was told he will get one through but according to how urgent they consider it to be it could be up to 14 weeks.  He has not been allowed to drive of course and needs to know when he can resume.

      No physio either and he still had problems with one arm and hand. Things are just getting worse you have to chase up everything.  Going back to my husband we managed to have a good time up at my daughters and my husband is not too bad still gets a bit short of breath at times and still coughing.  Oh well will just have to wait to see the consultant.  We have lots of questions to ask.

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      Oh I forgot to say the person who did the lung function tests at the hospital said that they think it is asthma.  I assume because there was improvement after taking ventolin as I understand they test you before and after medication.  I can't see it myself I would agree with some who have replied to my earlier posts that it is probably COPD.  Won't know until he sees the consultant.  He is still doing peak flows and they have settled down to 250 -270 in the morning and 350-360 tea time.  
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      Long term asthma can cause COPD.  If the spirometry result was better with ventolin then that indicates asthma but doesn't rule out COPD, far from it.
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      Thank you  He certainly did not have long term asthma although it is in his family as his brother had it from a baby and was often ill although he eventually grew out of it and now at 67 there is no sign of asthma. So I with my very limited knowledge would agree that although he may have asthma now that does not rule out COPD more so be cause he was a long term smoker.  Another interesting point is that hearing problems seem to run in his family as he and both of his brothers wear hearing aids.  You may wonder what that got to do with it.  Well for years he has said that he has felt there was a problem with his nasal passages and that his hearing had got worse because of that.  In fact at one hearing test he was referred to ENT because they thought there was some kind of infection.  It turned out to be nothing and he got the all clear.  He is always getting blocked up so perhaps the blood tests for allergies will show something.  We both think this might be a contributing factor.
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      Bet it's COPD from the smoking.  Interestingly, when I was a smoker I was deaf enough to qualify for hearing aids, which I haven't needed since I stopped smoking, so it must've been causing some from of congestion or inflammation
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      Yes I think you maybe right, however  the deafness and hearing aids have happened since he stopped smoking maybe 3/4 years hard to remember.

      I definitely remember when he stopped smoking when he was 62 so 7 years ago.

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      That's about when I stopped smoking and I"m 69 on Saturday:  Quit publicity says lungs return to normal within a certain time after quitting; NOT TRUE for everyone if you've smoked for years.

      I truly believed that my lungs would bounce back no matter when I stopped

      Obviously no connection hearing in your partner's case, just thought I'd mention it

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      Just thought I would say my husband has at long last an appointment for thoracic medicine clinic.  Not until Dec 17th.  It's a long time to wait should have been this month if they had not messed up at the hospital.  It says it is with the registrar or one of the team so don't expect to see the consultant.  Not happy about it as we have so many questions and my husband if fed up with all the coughing.  I tried calling the respiratory nurse at the local hospital but no luck just keeps ringing supposed to be an answerphone for you to leave your details.  We are going to the local branch of breathe easy next month as there is going to be a guest speaker a senior physiotherapist who deals with COPD.   Might get some advice here.   

       

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