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BP always in Normal Range.
Pulse 127 upon ECG.
Rt. arm BP 15 lower than Left arm.
Rt. shoulder dislocated for past 21 years.
Cholesterol always near-perfect.
Never been a smoker/drunk. Teetotal.
1. Can Atrial Fibrillation be caused by Dislocated Shoulder?
2. What medical specialist is most appropriate to consult (privately, if necessary) to rectify shoulder?
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hhanover LizUK
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1. No
2. Orthopedist.
3. (you didn't ask) There is a body of opinion which holds afib is a product of changes in the substrate of the heart muscle which interferes with the proliferation of electrical discharges which control the orderly beating of the heart. Can be aging, can be hammering the organ too hard with ultra vigorous exercise, can be booze, genes, caffeine. Afib is a total PIA and, if permitted, doctors will chase it with cardioversion, rate control medication, rhythym control medication, ablation surgery and will worry you into a fluster. Here's the deal: if you are properly anticoagulated (warfarin, et al.) it won't kill you. You will live to your design specs (you know, like 100 if your family is a long lived bunch), your stamina will suffer a bit, but the biggest threat is to your psyche from fretting about it. So don't fret. I am 78, have had afib for decades, take warfarin for anticoagulation (there may be better drugs), exercise (damned fitbit drives me like a plough horse) and generally get by fine. I don't think I am particularly unique, either. Most of the people I know who have the condition eventually come to accept it and move on. Best of luck to you.
linda51222 hhanover
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I totally agree with your summing up of Afib the clinicians in the first instance frighten the wits out of you, but as you say once you come to terms with it life is better.
L.
hhanover linda51222
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Linda, the medicos had me take every kind of medication there is. I can only remember flecainide and amiodarone, but there were a couple of others. I also had a right sided ablation to cure the flutter caused by the flecainide. I also tried acupuncture with and without electricity (!), meditation and sleeping with my ear on my wife's chest so I could be synchronized with her steady, slow heartbeat (fun, but didn't work). I gave strong consideration to having the left sided ablation, but by then I had acclimated to the condition and the thought of a robot piercing a hole in my inter atrial septum so that it could burn scars around my pulmonary veins didn't seem worth it. I take warfarin, I home-test my INR and control it with broccoli if it gets too thin and go to a cardiologist once a year. This year my ejection fraction was 65%, which I am told is good, and I feel constantly grateful for the joyful life I have through absolutely no fault or merit of my own. One of the reasons I show up on these sites is to be a cheerleader for greeting this rotten disease with disdain. I hope it works now and then.
gwen81475 hhanover
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LizUK hhanover
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Many thanks to hhanover + frank61666. Vagus nerve could be very relevant. "Gut-brain axis" - all of these 21yrs I've been v. constipated unless giving myself slight colic by eating 7-a-day vegetables + lots of wholemeal bread. Instinctively get O/H to massage neck (without realising vagus nerve!) Will research precise method.
At same time as my shoulder being dislocated, a disc in my neck (C5/C6) was prolapsed, and my Rt. temporomandibular joint (jaw) was dislocated. Nil treatment for those or my dislocated shoulder. (Injury happened in a teaching hospital, while under general anaesthetic for surgery on lower-back.) I was aged 36 yrs. No heart decease in my forebears.
In 1996, I paid for an MRI scan of my neck (British health service ignored result, + refused to do MRI of their own). Report: "The C5/6 disc is degenerate + narrowed + at this level there is a central + left lateral disc prolapse which is causing quite marked compression of the thecal sac + may just about be impinging on the cervical cord. On the sagittal view there appears to be a quite marked inferior extension of the discal material behind the body of C6 which is not so impressive on the arial views but the appearance on the sagittal views almost suggest a sequestration at this level. The compression would be of the Rt C6 nerve root."
Further ideas gratefully received, please. For 21 yrs, the slightest exertion makes me breathless. Nil improvement after 6 weeks taking Verapamil 80 mg (calcium-channel blocker - I'm asthmatic) every 8 hrs. Bed-time (empty stomach, pre-meds) BP: Right arm 80/46 pulse 89; Left arm 113/70 pulse 86. Prior to those 6 weeks, BP 140/80 pulse 127 via ECG. Days ago I ceased the meds, as Rt arm diastolic dropping daily (46 way below optimum of 60). My 21yr fluid rentention (everywhere except head + neck) was expanding daily on Verapamil. I am on 2-month wait to see cardiologist, but does my family doctor need to refer me to another type of expert additionally?
Broccoli helpful (hhanover mentions). For years, I've instinctively noticed if I don't eat any for 2-3 days, I feel even worse! Same with garlic. I hear that thins blood. Caffeine I gave up at start of the 6 wk meds. I was having 3 cups daily. I used to drive myself "like a plough horse" in helping Dad gardening. He's died (aged 88 yrs). I need to get better, so I can dig a new garden + rescue his collection of plants, seeds of which he exchanged with botanical institutions world-wide. I would like to resurrect this facility.
tyrone36526 hhanover
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frank61666 LizUK
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The vagus nerve is a component of the gut-brain axis and it controls your heart rate. You can irritate the stomach with a food intolerance for example and go into afib but I would guess you also could strimulate the vagus nerve from the neck area to cause a disruption also.
You mioght be able to massage the vagus nerve by gently palpating the side of the neck next to the carotid artery and that had been found to convert afib to sinus rythms often.
Try to google vagus nerve or vagal maneuver along with afib and you will get a ton of information.
LizUK frank61666
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Many thanks. I'm new to using forums. Tried to answer you (+ hhanover) 8 hrs ago. Now done it as Reply to hhanover. Hope that's OK. Think you are onto something re Vagus Nerve! Would value further input from you, if possible. Tx.
LizUK
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Many thanks to hhanover + frank61666. Vagus nerve could be very relevant. "Gut-brain axis" - all of these 21yrs I've been v. constipated unless giving myself slight colic by eating 7-a-day vegetables + lots of wholemeal bread. Instinctively get O/H to massage neck (without realising vagus nerve!) Will research precise method. //
At same time as my shoulder being dislocated, a disc in my neck (C5/C6) was prolapsed, and my Rt. temporomandibular joint (jaw) was dislocated. Nil treatment for those or my dislocated shoulder. (Injury happened in a teaching hospital, while under general anaesthetic for surgery on lower-back.) I was aged 36 yrs. No heart decease in my forebears. //
In 1996, I paid for an MRI scan of my neck (British health service ignored result, + refused to do MRI of their own). Report: "The C5/6 disc is degenerate + narrowed + at this level there is a central + left lateral disc prolapse which is causing quite marked compression of the thecal sac + may just about be impinging on the cervical cord. On the sagittal view there appears to be a quite marked inferior extension of the discal material behind the body of C6 which is not so impressive on the arial views but the appearance on the sagittal views almost suggest a sequestration at this level. The compression would be of the Rt C6 nerve root." //
Further ideas gratefully received, please. For 21 yrs, the slightest exertion makes me breathless. Nil improvement after 6 weeks taking Verapamil 80 mg (calcium-channel blocker - I'm asthmatic) every 8 hrs. Bed-time (empty stomach, pre-meds) BP: Right arm 80/46 pulse 89; Left arm 113/70 pulse 86. Prior to those 6 weeks, BP 140/80 pulse 127 via ECG. Days ago I ceased the meds, as Rt arm diastolic dropping daily (46 way below optimum of 60). My 21yr fluid rentention (everywhere except head + neck) was expanding daily on Verapamil. I am on 2-month wait to see cardiologist, but does my family doctor need to refer me to another type of expert additionally? //
Broccoli helpful (hhanover mentions). For years, I've instinctively noticed if I don't eat any for 2-3 days, I feel even worse! Same with garlic. I hear that thins blood. Caffeine I gave up at start of the 6 wk meds. I was having 3 cups daily. I used to drive myself "like a plough horse" in helping Dad gardening. He's died (aged 88 yrs). I need to get better, so I can dig a new garden + rescue his collection of plants, seeds of which he exchanged with botanical institutions world-wide. I would like to resurrect this facility.
tyrone36526 LizUK
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bojan62721 LizUK
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Hi Liz,
Try to google the article "Paroxysmal Atrial Fibrillation and Insidious Neck Pain".
I am diagnosed AF two years ago.
Just before my first episode I remember I had pain in the neck, on the right side.
I am 46, my hearth is healthy.
Sometimed when I lift my head up I have palptations and skeeped beat.
After two years and say 8 AF episodes I am positive that the vagus nerve causes my AF. And everything started with pain in the neck.