alternative to Ventolin to open airways for steroid inhaler
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21 years ago I started Asthma treatment (aged mid-30s). Peak Flow upon waking nowadays is 290, reaching at best 360. It should be minimum 410 for my gender, age and height.
Every 12 hours, as instructed, I take Ventolin (2 puffs) to open up the airways ready to receive Symbicort 400 turbohaler (1 puff) containing budesonide (corticosteroid) and formoterol fumarate dihydrate.
Respiratory consultant had me try Singulair (Montelukast) - no improvement in Peak Flow. It gave me a mild productive cough and snotty nose throughout 28-day trial.
Symptoms experienced constantly for the past 21 years (dizziness + swift breathlessness upon any exertion) were recently diagnosed by a Cardiologist as AFib - permanent atrial fibrillation - constant fluttering of heart, with fast pulse and irregular heart beat.
Britain's NHS Choices website states "Ventolin...After using the inhaler, some people may experience...a fast, pounding or fluttering heartbeat (palpitations)"
Anyone experience being prescribed an alternative to Ventolin? I would welcome details/ suggestions, please?
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Annaflare LizUK
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There isn't an alternative to Ventolin, though Ventolin is very well tolerated by pretty near everyone, including children. As far as adults go two doses is a baby dose... especially in the case of an exacerbation and if your peak flow is in the 200’s upon waking, there are likely things that can be done better.
Firstly though, it's near impossible to overdose on Ventolin, even at greater than 20 puffs a day... mind you that would be a sign of someone who is poorly managed. In emergency dosing it's not uncommon to have 8 puffs every 20 to 30 minutes. If you have a tendency towards tachycardia and other heart problems... which you do, then it could be a problem... but, like heart problems asthma kills a number of people on a weekly basis. This is something to discuss with your respiratory physician.
Ventolin will always be in your repertoire (it's the only rapidly acting short term bronchodilator there is)... however, it's possible to go onto 200/6 Symbicort two puffs morning, afternoon and evening... with upto an additional six puffs in place of Ventolin throughout the day. But, after that twelfth puff, you need to (technically) go back to Ventolin. Having said that, I've been prescribed upto 12 puffs of 400/12 symbicort on a daily basis (but that's unconventional and technically not allowed).
Another thing to look into and doing a bit of a multi pronged attack, would be Spiriva of a morning. Spiriva and Atrovent (largely the same thing one is long acting the other short acting) work on different receptors to Ventolin.
Alvesco, is an inhaled steroid that can be used in conjunction, with the aforementioned medications.
Now, the above treatment got me from using 20 inhalations of ventolin a day (including prednisolone and seretide)), down to between four and six (with very occasional prednisolone use).
My regime is, one puff Spiriva, 2 puffs of Symbicort (200/6) and 2 puffs of Alvesco (160mcg) upon waking. Afternoon: two puffs of Symbicort (plus any additional doses I’ve needed). Evening 2 puffs Symbicort. Fexofenadine can help, but in a small percentage of the population can cause asthma like symptoms (I fell into that percentage).
As needed, I have Ventolin and Atrovent (inhalers and nebules for both), prednisolone. I can vouch for this treatment, though in Australia it’s now considered old school an epipen can be used in an emergency attack to get the airways open (but, given the heart problems it’s possibly not a good idea). I’ve been given adrenaline for asthma in the past and it works incredibly well. In fact my new GP has urged me to discuss getting an epipen in case I have a major exacerbation in a remote location.
Over the years, I’ve been on most asthma medications known to man. It's worth noting that sinusitis can cause twitchy airways as well.
LizUK Annaflare
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Aschm32186 LizUK
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LizUK Aschm32186
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Hi Aschm32186 - thanks for interesting input. Any idea how much higher your blood pressure is when you take the inhaler, compared with when you do not, or did not?
Reason I ask is 'cos my worst AFib symptom occurs after I straighten up from bending down for say 20+ seconds (eg tying laces). I get extreme dizziness (postural hypotension) almost to the point of blacking out. Via PatientInfo forum, I've learned this often occurs with low BP, yet my (unmedicated) readings are towards the higher end of Normal Range. Mine fluctuate widely, from arm to arm (usually by 10-15 points differential) and day to day. Just wondering if I actually have low BP, but it reads higher due to the inhaler...? I certainly hae the fluid retention (swollen legs+) symptom.
Anyone have knowledge?
Aschm32186 LizUK
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LizUK Aschm32186
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Thanks Aschm32186 - I take my inhaler (Ventolin) + Symbicort (budesonide/ formoterol) every 12 hours. Perhaps my BP would be about 25/15 lower, like your's, if I was asthma-med free...?
I wonder if doctors + respiratory specialists + cardiologists widely consider this, before prescribing meds for 'high BP', when in fact the patient may truly have low BP or by in Normal Range?