Amitriptyline and/or codiene?
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Hi guys,
Last November I was diagnosed with fibro. Three months ago I was given two months worth of co-codamol (Codipar 15mg/500mg). One month ago I went back to the doctor and asked if I can have a slightly stronger pain killer as these ones weren't giving me much relief. She suggested amitriptyline but I was against that idea as I had heard and read about a lot of people who had such a bad time on it. She accepted my refusal but was hesitant and apprehensive about giving me a stronger pain killer. So she suggested I take more at a time. Before, I was instructed to take four a day. This time she suggested I take 8 a day. I said I'd try that. Still, it wasn't helping much and now I keep getting headaches. And she perscribed me 60 tablets which only lasted me a week!
So, today I went back to the doctor (not my usual doctor) and explained the situation. He suggested I try amitriptyline. I told him about what I had heard about it, and the concerning fact about having thoughts of suicide, and his response was "I don't know who you've been talking to but that's all rubbish. And people who DO have thoughts of suicide are people who are already clinically depressed anyway". I told him, regardless, I don't wanna risk it (mainly because of the other side effects, especially weight-gain as I already have an issue with that) and I asked very politely can I have a stronger pain killer. The co-codomol doesn't really do much for me. Again he was apprehensive too, and basically pushed for the amitriptyline. I relented and said ok. He did say though that if I have a bad time with it then I should come back and see what 'other options there are'.
This guy is new to me. I have never met him before. He also seemed unwilling to give me what I requested. And he seemed rather dismissive too. When I ask for the pain killers he asked me what were they for. Then when I told him about fibro he asked what pains was I experiencing and how often. Now, he could be asking these questions to ascertain which pain killers would suit me, but combined with his attitude and demeanour previously I got the impression he was sceptical of the fact I even had fibro! I found it all very insulting.
Why are these two doctors hesitant about giving me stronger pain killers when clearly the other ones arent working? Why are they not really accepting my right to refuse a medication that I'm too worried about taking?
But getting to my original question I was going to ask lol -
I'm willing to give amitriptyline a try. I've been prescribed 10mg and to take one tablet each night before bed time. But I'm apprehensive about leaving such a huge gap between pain relief right now, as I'm used to taking a co-codomol in the morning, afternoon, and before bed. Currently though in the last couple of weeks I've been taking over-the-counter Solpadeine Max (12mg codeine). So my question is can I take a pain killer, whether that be a Co or Solp, in the afternoon or something whilst having an Ami at night?
I know I seemed to have gone around the houses to get to my question but I figured for anyone who is awesome enough to reply it would be easier to give all the facts before hand lol.
Many thanks 😊
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denise85279 YasmineKD
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Dingle_dell denise85279
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Hi Denise, I have cervical spondylosis to, but also get pains in my back ,legs and different parts of my body. The pains are worse at night I get brain fog, and hot sweats. I'm really wondering if I have fibromyalgia, do you know how it is diagnosed as all my dr seems to think it's arthritis and given me pain killers and said sorry I had it take these but it will get worse as it's my age I'm in my 60s!!! Was very fit and still try to be but the pain is getting me down . How are you managing it ? Regards dingle dell
YasmineKD Dingle_dell
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Hi Dingle fell,
Fibro is hard to diagnose as fir one thing there isn't a simple blood test that tells you. Also, because it's a pain thing, nothing to see physically, that's another reason why it's hard. You should ask your doctor to be referred to a rheumatologist. They will ask you specific questions about how you suffer and do a pressure point test, which is where they will press lightly in certain points around your body to see how sensitive they are.
Basically, the main way they try to figure out if a person has it is by a process of elimination. If it's not this, this, or this, it must be this. Diagnoses is rarely ever 100% conclusive.
denise85279 Dingle_dell
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marienorfolkgal YasmineKD
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YasmineKD marienorfolkgal
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I haven't been able to work for a long time because of it either. It's so soul-destroying.
A few years ago someone made a joke about me wanting work to be handed to me 'on a silver platter'.......what?!?! I couldn't be bothered with explaining to them the reasons behind why I wasn't working because 1. they are one of my friends and so therefore already KNOWS how I suffer, and 2. why should I justify myself to someone who is clearly narrow-minded. I didn't speak to them for a while after that. It was cold how they said that comment.
I've spent years explaining to people how this affects me, what I can and cannot do, and mainly the fact that just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not there. All that is exhausting in itself!
marienorfolkgal YasmineKD
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Hi I was diagnosed in jan 16. I continue to work although I had to reduce my hours. I am a carer for the elderly. My work have not been at all supportive of me. I have been threatened with the sack!!! even though they know why I have been off. Like you say because you cannot see it people think you are okay which is not fair. I ache most days but some are much worse than others especially when i get a flare up like now and it makes me exhausted. I just wish my employer would see that some days I am not 100 percent but still go in and offer me lighter duties which dont put strain on me. When I had a discussion with her a month ago, all I got was ' my mother has this and I know all about it' clearly not because if she did she would understand. I want to work and am actively seeking a change of direction but nothing is coming up. Exhausted is an understatement at the moment.
YasmineKD marienorfolkgal
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I'm sorry you have to endure all that. It's sickening. Could you perhaps ask your doctor to write a letter for your employer about how you struggle? Your employer has to by law make your job and duties suitable for you. Granted, if a person is unable to carry out the main duty they are employed to do, and amended options don't work, then the employer can have grounds for dismissal, although they still have to be very careful about it!
But well done to you though, for striving on helping others even though you're in pain and could use some help yourself. Nice to know there's still some good Samaritans out there!
marienorfolkgal YasmineKD
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YasmineKD marienorfolkgal
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You should go see another doctor. Fortunately we are not stuck with the doctor we're first assigned to. Or, go see your specialist, if you have one, and ask them for a letter.
I don't think your boss is allowed to ask for access to your medical records. But you could request from your surgery yourself the relevant records you need for your boss. You may have to pay a fee though.
But maybe also contact Citizens Advice, see what they say.
marienorfolkgal YasmineKD
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YasmineKD marienorfolkgal
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What is this self cert exactly? I've never been told to do that. I was able to be signed off in the past for 7 days without having to do anything prior...
Why was he reluctant though? Clearly you're struggling, and it's not as if there's no history of it on your medical records, etc. Sometimes I think it's what they've been ORDERED to do by the higher powers, which kinda defeats the object of training doctors to help people's lives!
Fair enough you've been discharged from the consultant, but maybe get referred again? I know it can take a few months but at least it'll get the ball rolling.
And, yeah, it usually takes me at least two weeks to see my doctor, which is why I usually end up seeing someone else. I still remember the days when I had to wait no more than two days!
marienorfolkgal YasmineKD
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YasmineKD marienorfolkgal
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Oh right, yeah I've never had to do that.
We have to ring bang on 8, and you're on the line for such a long time before they answer the phone....if they answer at all.
And don't worry about needing to whinge. We all need to whinge from time to time. It's a good stress reliever!
marienorfolkgal YasmineKD
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YasmineKD marienorfolkgal
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It sounds to me you might benefit from claiming ESA (Employment and Support Allowence). ESA isn't just for people who are completely incapacitated, it's also for people who can work but are very limited. Once you pass the medical, they'll decided out of which two groups you qualify for and then help you find appropriate work and once you do they top up your earnings. Not by much by it helps.
The criteria you have to teach is rather high and they'll try anything to find a reason why you 'shouldn't' be on it. I appealed my decision but I still lost. You may have better luck!
If you decide to try it, send me a private message and I'll walk you through the do's and donts.
marienorfolkgal YasmineKD
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Thanks Yasmine thats very kind of you. I am managing it reasonably its just when I get a flare up I get bad. I suppose if I'm honest in my job the minute I feel somethings wrong I should tell work and have a couple or so days off and maybe I'd be ok.