Are those with mental illness likely to fail PIP?

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After reading the handbook for the PIP assessors, I note that having a mental illness (whatever it is) allows for the non return of the PIP2 form. The handbook suggests that it is quite likely that those with a mental health problem will not have sent anything in, no PIP2 or any evidence.

On that basis the assessor would not know a thing about you or what your difficulties are.

Trying to assess someone who goes alone into the assessment, suffering from a mental illness must be a nightmare for the assessor.

Surely that puts those with such an illness at a direct disadvantage.

 

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    The reason I mention this is that I fit this and in all of my previous assessments - ESA, DLA & IIDB I have always had to fight the DWP single handed.

    Yes there are organisations, these are either over subscribed or lacking qualified welfare rights workers. Volunteers try their best but they can't be at every assessment for everyone.

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    If you had seen the actual Government Handbook for Health Assessors you would understand why so many mental illness claimants fail.

    I once looked up "Fibromyalgia" in the Government's Handbook for Assessors, its supposed to be for Staff Only, but the UK security and websites is useless, and it popped up on Google when I was looking for something else. The manual is only 800 pages, that's not large considering all of the illnesses and problems people suffer from. Anyway, I did a check I looked up the illness "Fibromyalgia" and in the Governments Handbook which Assessors use, the illness was only mentioned twice and that it was related to back pain. Not a very well written document at all.

    After find that, I cross-referenced the information with the latest copy of the BMJ (British Medical Journal), low and behold it had 17 pages of detailed information on the illness. Like any other illness you can have good and bad days, but to find out that ATOS only look at a 2 page document which only mentions the illness twice is utterly disgusting, and goes to prove just how bad claimants have with these health assessors. Most of them only have one Diploma!! But that's another story...

    Regards,

    Les.

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    My honest opinion is yes, those with mental illnesses or learning difficulties/disabilities have a much lower chance of successfully getting PIP.

    My belief is that this is due to assessors just making assumptions on certain descriptors or just basing thier opinions on what they see in front of them, also they try to act all nice and friendly to get those they assess more talkitive making the claimant seem more able then they claim.

    I know for a fact that medical evidence is constantly ignored by the DWP (they only rely on the assessment report - which is scandalous if the report is contradicted by years of evidence provided by the claimant), I provided 18 years worth of medical letters and reports in my previous claim, still got 0 points for both components all because the decision maker said the ATOS report said I had no problems. After finding out the assessor put nothing that I mentioned into the medical report I have just given up on trying to claim PIP, for a while at least.

    To be honest while PIP is allowed to be claimed by those working, I don't see too many being actually fit enough to work while claiming PIP, it just seems far too harsh and similar to ESA.

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      HI Chris yes its a right shambles isnt it, im waiting any day now to get that letter to say my DLA will be being stopped, i honestly dont think i will bother to apply for PIP, as you say if you couldnt get any points with 18 yrs. of medical letters whats my chances being on no meds and no specialist. A  M.E. sufferer with fybromalygia. Why bother to ask for your evidence if they arnt going to take a blind bit of notice anyway because atos says otherwise. Our son has medical back up scans specialist reports but no not good enough. Problem is folk are being told you are fit for work, sent to sign on for job seekers where they are saying you cant sign on cos your clearly not fit for work so the claimant walks away with nothing to sustain them financialy.  Whats wrong with these atos and the likes of them, why cant they see clearly that most really cant work!frown

      Sue 

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      making assumptions on certain descriptors or just basing thier opinions on what they see in front of them

      Those with a mental illness don't need to return the PIP2 form, so on that basis there is NOTHING in front of the assessor!

      All they have to do is give details over the phone to the DWP loosely based on the PIP1 and that's it.

      Then the assessor has to try to assess someone that may well not understand what is being asked of them. Many, like myself, go alone to these assessments.

      Like everything in life, those that understand the system, those that get professional help and those that can tell a bare faced lie and be believed as they have done their homework will be awarded it.

      Those that haven't got help, those that haven't read the assessors handbook and those that are unable to articulate what their difficulties are are doomed to fail.

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      Years ago when I was signing on as fit for part time work, I went for my interview at Job Centre and all seemed fine.

      Next week when I signed on I was called into a room and interviewed by someone else who claimed I could not have any money because I was only available for part time work.

      "Yes" I said I'm on the disabled register and I saw Rachel last week"

      She said "I believe Rachel has made a mistake and I am now here to take her place"

      Then you had better train your staff!" I said.

      Eventually I gave up with this woman went to my GP got a letter from him to say I could only work part time and gave the letter to her.

      I did get my money.  .

      I am still getting DLA at the moment but expecting to have to claim PIP at some point.

      Sarah   

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      Hi Les,

      The stupid part about PIP is you can be assessed over the phone, in your home or in an Assessment centre, but they also pass rare cases straight over from DLA to PIP, all they require is the PIP form to be completed correctly for making the changeover. In some cases where no face-to-face interview is required and the 10 year period is given along with the Enhanced Rates on both Components.

      But recently I got an email from Benefits and Work website this is just partial quote from that email.

      {start of quote}

      FORCED DLA TO PIP TRANSFER IN TROUBLE

      The Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) now believes that it will take the DWP three years instead of two to reassess all current working age DLA  claimants for PIP.

      It blames the increase on Atos and Capita failing to carry out enough face-to-face assessments and suggests that the DLA to PIP transfer process is beginning to look as badly managed as the incapacity benefit to ESA one.

      However, the OBR still believes that 26% of ‘lifetime’ DLA claimants will get no award at all when forced to claim PIP.

      {end of quote}

      Thats how bad the DWP is under at the moment, it hasn't changed much now, apart from DLA to PIP Claimants on  DLA "indefinite" are no longer being done by postal codes, it is now totally random.

      Maximus as made no difference, than what ATOS left the mess in. The WCA contract ended up with a £4 million in loss, because they cannot entice staff to work for them. It might have worked for ATOS last year, and to be honest, it was around November 2014 when ATOS pulled their stunt, but now neither is working. It makes you wonder, why so many people are being told they are fit for work, when in reality they aren't.

      I guess what ATOS did last year, they cannot do this year for some reason, I have not seen any documents detailing anything yet - but it probably will, and it will be MAXIMUS trying to pull the same stunt.

      Regards,

      Les.

       

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    Very Confusing , i was assessed in my own home ( ground floor flat ) early Summer for PIP by ATOS , i didn't expect to pass it but was told to apply for it , but i passed it but got few points for Physical Health ( which i have just as much as Mental ) but got high points for Mental Health . Still don't understand how i passed it .
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      Yes - that is how i found out that Physical Health had low scoring , Mental Health had high scores . So when i applied for a bus pass i had to get my GP to fill out the form so i passed that as well . I need to get the paperwork out so i can see when my entitlement is up for renewalment for both ESA and PIP .
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      I also recommend anyone who goes for an ESA , etc assessment to have someone to accompany them or ask for the interview to be recorded - both of which one is entitled to , if you don't feel you can do either of those then if you have mental health illness see if you have a local Mind , Mental Health Forum who can appoint a Advocate to go with you , if you have a carer then take them with you - do what you can to have back up to the answers you gave , i do though appreciate that many are not able . When i had the PIP assessment in which i was told would be done at home because i didn't expect to pass it i told my family and friends that i would be okay to go through with it on my own , i was honest in my answers and i passed it .
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      Please remember that the DWP are re-assessing people who have PIP 12 months before their end date. Their excuse was to make sure that you continue to get PIP without a break in payments. For PIP an end date means little.

      They are actually using it to save 12 months of a previously given award. Many find that they are failing this early review.

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    i have been long term mental health since 2003,recently had medical assessment for change over from dla to pip,and had most of my money stopped,i feel as the nurse wrote what she thought,she didnt even mention i have to use a mobility scooter,ive had to send a letter off my doctor hoping they will reconsider
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    i have been long term mental health since 2003,recently had medical assessment for change over from dla to pip,and had most of my money stopped,i feel as the nurse wrote what she thought,she didnt even mention i have to use a mobility scooter,ive had to send a letter off my doctor hoping they will reconsider
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      The use of a scooter is generally a choice thing much the same as having a Motability car. Unless you have an aid that has been recommended or prescribed by the medical/social care profession, then it really doesn't feature in PIP. 

      I have a folding scooter and a car both of which I paid for myself. I did have a Motability vehicle but sent it back early as it could be at risk of being taken off me under PIP.

       

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