Are you a Lupus sufferer and have been turned down for PIP (new name for DLA) support?

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I suffer from Lupus SLE with the accompanying conditions of reheumatoid arthritis, fibromyalgia, raynauds, kleinfelters. I used to be on the life award of DLA but since its been taken over PIP, I was transitioned to PIP and had to undergo an assessment. As many lupus sufferers know this illness is not curable and it fluctuates from one day to the next, the day i was assessed was the day i was not having a flare up. I recently got a letter back from PIP after 14 weeks advising that I was not entitled to PIP and that they were going to stop my DLA. In their words I had lied on my application form and i wasnt entitled to support. I am a fighter and sent them the following letter with extracts of their non puctual letter and i must say that even though they mention on the claim for you to describe your worst day well they take their decision from the day of the assessment - have a look a my letter to them and let me know if you have had a similar issue with PIP or their assessment colleagues:

Personal Independence Payment 9

Post Handling Site B

Wolverhampton

WV99 1AG

1/28/2015

Letter of Dispute against Decision Maker Reasoning

Dear [removed],

I received your letter dated 24 January 2015 regarding the decisions you have made based on the letter from PIP, I am absolutely devastated in your reasoning to decline me PIP and also terminate my Disability Living Allowance and I will be taking legal action against this and will also be contacting my Lupus Specialist at the [removed] as well as my GP.

I have added extracts of the letter I received and have answered each and explained my thoughts on these points.

But first I must give you an in depth summary of my Disease.

I have a fluctuating disease called Lupus SLE, fluctuating in the sense that every day is not the same, I have good days and I have bad days. When the assessor interviewed me I was having a good day.  On my application I am asked to describe my worst day in which I did, I made it clear to the assessor that he caught me on a good day which he acknowledged.  But my illness consists of: Rheumatoid Arthritis, Fibro Myalgia, and Chronic Fatigue which can cause balance problems, Reynaud’s – which affects blood circulation.

After reading your reasons to deny me any help I was left devastated, I am 1/100 men diagnosed with this illness and I have to take steroids, hydroxychloroquine, azathioprine tablets every day without fail otherwise I would end up in hospital or worst effect I can die from my illness. The assessor I feel has been completely unfair and possible inaccurate in his data collection.

Some of the following assessment were not carried out and all exercises were done whilst I was sitting down – at no point did I stand apart from to make a coffee.

Extracts of the letter received and my explanations.

“You said you have no difficulties with communicating verbally, reading and understanding signs, symbols and words, engaging with other people face to face and making budgeting decisions. - I agree you can manage these tasks unaided”

I have no problem in communicating in general, I work for the NHS and I have to speak clearly as I deal with sick children and I have to be accurate in my data collection. I don’t deal with budgets and my partner deals with my finances for example monthly bill payments and mortgage payments.

 

“On your claim form you stated you needed help with taking nutrition, managing therapy or monitoring a health condition and managing toilet needs or incontinence but at the assessment you said that you needed no help with these activities and the evidence confirms that you can manage unaided.”

I am obese for my age and height and I must maintain a healthy weight, my consultants and Gp have advised this as I regularly take prednisolone for my illness which causes me to gain weight. I am currently awaiting a physio appointment which my consultant has made a referral for as both of my knees are weak and at the time of the assessment I was wearing a knee brace. When I my illness flares up I need support in toilet needs because I find it difficult to wipe myself. My partner is always on hand should I require help to do this. I advised the assessor that I feel awful when she helps me because I’m so young and I feel like a young man in an old man’s body. But at no point did I get to go to the toilet during my assessment.

“You told us you have difficulties with preparing food because of restrictions in hand movements. On examination you were able to maintain a good grip and had adequate power and movement in both hands. You were also informally observed to make a drink, carry and hold said drink and open and close drawers and cupboards. I consider that you can make a simple meal without help.”

My grip was good on that day as I made the assessor well aware that I was having a good day without any problems. On my bad day I can’t even bend my fingers and a few months ago I had to have a steroid injection in my hand because the inflammation of my fingers did not go down. The assessor saw me make a cup of coffee, he did not see me cook or prepare food, this is all done by my partner who was at work at the time and I took the day off for the assessment.

“You have stated that you need assistance with dressing and with washing and bathing. You say that you find it difficult to get in and out of bath, your partner has to help wash you and that you cannot wash your hair . I do not accept this”

In the mornings when I have a flare up I struggle to use buttons and zips or even tie my own shoe lace, at no point did the assess ask me to give him an example. When I have a flare up I struggle to raise or lower myself into the bath and I cannot raise my arms to wash my hair, I’m quite hurt that you do not accept this. My partner helps me wash my hair because although I can raise my arms, I often have chest muscular skeletal pains which restrict my movement and causes intense breathlessness. I don’t feel lifting my arms to the level of my head is indicative of what it take to wash my hair. Also can I ask to be assessed by an exercise for intercostal pain and breathlessness?

“On examination you were able to put both hands behind head, bend and twist your body, crouch, squat, sit, stand and maintain an adequate grip”

For the exercises I remained seating at all times, I was able to twist slightly and not completely, I did not nor was I asked to crouch or squat and had Id been I would’ve struggled. When he asked me to put my hands over my head my hands got as far as my ears and did not go beyond my ear, the assessor has not been truthful or accurate in his examination.

“Although you may receive the help stated I can only consider help that is reasonably required. I cannot consider help with domestic tasks, food shopping and problems using stairs”

As I made it clear to the assessor, we have a cleaner who does the household chores for me as I struggle to do this – my cleaner is not part or support but a private cleaner. I also explained to him that all shopping is done on the internet and my property in which I own does not have any stairs.

“You said you have difficulties with planning and following the route of a journey, cannot drive and have to take taxis when going out. I do not accept that you need any help to plan or follow the route of a journey”

I told the assessor that I use the internet or route planner on Google maps to plan my journey, prior to going out or my partner will drive us there.

“You are fully mentally competent and aware of common dangers and have no speech or cognitive impairments which would restrict your ability to plan and follow the route of a journey. I cannot consider being driven in a car or having to use taxis”

Due to the distance I can walk which is not very far and that I struggle when using stairs I have access to work in place whereby I have a taxi to take me to and from work on a daily basis, I contribute to this and get paid the difference back. Upon starting my job I underwent an occupational health assessment and the Doctor who I saw recommended after physical examination that I am not to do anything that will exacerbate my illness nor should I do any manual handling.

“You have stated in the initial questionnaire that you’re walking ability is restricted to less than 20 meters. However, at the assessment you state that you can regularly walk from your home to a nearby car park”

”You estimate this distance to be 150 metres. Although I accept that your walking is restricted I do not accept that it is at the level that you have stated”

Please see map below of the distance from my front door to my nearby car park, as you can clearly see it is not 150 meters but a mere 20 meters, that is the distance I can manage, but I wasn’t assessed in my walking and sat down throughout the meeting apart from making a coffee.

My nearby car park

My front door

Approx 20Mtrs

Photograph showed my front door and a private carpark next door

[Photograph has been removed for privacy purposes] 

Please also note a copy of this letter will be sent to my consultants and my GP to make them aware of this decision to deny me any help with this debilitating disease. I think it would also be appropriate that you approach both my GP and Consultant for information on my health as I feel that this was not done prior to your decision making.

I look forward in your immediate response to this letter

Copies to:

GP

Dr Consultant Rheumatologist

Professor Specialist is Systemic Lupus Erythematosus (SLE)

It seems as though the assessor falsified my assessment, I would advise anyone having an assessment, take someone with you.

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  • Posted

    I am going through something similar to your situation. Diagnosed 2015 SLE, discoid lupus, cutaneous lupus, and fibromyalgia. Applied for SSI and SSDI denied twice they said the same as you I can think for myself handle my own affairs, etc. All BULLCRAP!!! I use a shower chair, I can stand for more than 15 min,etc on 15 medications a day. Lost my job. If one more person says WELL YOU DON'T LOOK SICK .... I AM GOING TO SCREAM ... LUPUS HAS RUINED MY LIFE!!!! THE MEDS ARE HELL AND I STILL HAVE NO RELIEF. THE PAIN IS EXCRUCIATING.

    • Posted

      I agree that with some illnesses the consequences are not that obvious. Knowing that, why worry what people say, they simply can't see anything so would assume something different.

      I have found that in order to cope with both physical and mental issues is to be positive in the way you think and act. No disability actually ruins someone's life - it is the person that ALLOWS themselves to think and believe it has.

      Yes I know about medication and how it could have difficult side effects. Our choice is to either take them or not. I have 5 pages to my monthly repeat prescritption yet of those 28 different drugs, I refuse to take 24 of them because I would prefer to have a life without them instead of a life with them.

      Obviously that went against me when  applying for a disability benefit such as PIP/AA. For me I would sooner be 'out' of the system with the DWP breathing down my neck every year or so looking to re-assess me and consequently and currently losing over £250 a week in unclaimed benefits. Money isn't everything and it certainly could not help me in coping with my difficulties.

      Have a more positive attitude and take control of how you live it.

    • Posted

      Each person copes with illness DIFFERENT!!!! THAT IS YOUR PREROGATIVE to not take or take your medications. BUT WHAT YOU WILL NOT DO IS TELL ME HOW I SHOULD FEEL!! About what I am going through is ROUGH for ME... It may not be for you and that's YOU!!!! DON'T TRY TO DOWN PLAY HOW I FEEL ABOUT HAVING LUPUS.... HOW DARE YOU!!!! SHAME ON YOU!!!!

  • Posted

    And to make it worst the doctors always TRY to tell you how you SHOULD be feeling after the cocktail of meds they put you on I am physical therapy due to I can barely walk or stand. And the LOSERS at the disability office still don't care. This angers me so much lupus just doesn't GO AWAY everyone is different meds don't always work GIVING A PILL IS NOT A CURE!!!! PEOPLE NEED TO OPEN THEY EYES LUPUS IS REAL AND IT IS A DEBILITATING DISEASE THAT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH IT CHANGES YOUR LIFE FOREVER.... BECAUSE IT HAS CHANGED MINE FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE !!!!

    • Posted

      GIVING A PILL IS NOT A CURE!!!! PEOPLE NEED TO OPEN THEY EYES LUPUS IS REAL AND IT IS A DEBILITATING DISEASE 

      The same applies to a brain injury that affects their entire way of life and how they act and view things around them. But I can say for a certainty it does not offer a guarantee to be accepted as (a) being disabled and (b) entitled to any form of Welfare benefit.

      I should know, I have that problem amongst the many others and had massive problems getting ESA and PIP/Attendance Allowance.. 

    • Posted

      I have never been on WELFARE I have worked since I was 15 yes old and I don't get ANY type of ALLOWANCE, DISABILITY OR ANY FUNDS TO HELP I HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO TRY TO WORK AND TRY TO SURVIVE THE BEST I CAN.

    • Posted

      But I thought that your first posting said that you had applied twice for benefits and had been refused both times?

      And if you are able to work all the better for you as working helps you to take your mind off your problems.

      I found that to be true. I couldn't hold any job down, but voluntary work is different. I actually force myself to work as I know what the benefits are of doin it. In fact and despite my health problems I now find that I can work for upwards of 50 hours a week doing voluntary work.

       

  • Posted

    I have all the symptoms of lupus and fibromyalgia but when I mentioned this to my GP, he said many health professionals do not view lupus and fibromyalgia as real illnesses - and he was one of them!  I have a severe vitamin d deficiency (osteomalacia) which he says has caused my symptoms.  I also suffer from osteoporosis, anorexia and depression.  I had my ATOS medical last week and am awaiting to hear re my PIP application.   

    After speaking to a few people online with similar symptoms, they have also said that their GPs do not believe lupus and fibromyalgia even exist!  (but we all know they exist)  That is maybe why so many sufferers are being turned down for PIP?

    • Posted

      THINK OU NEED TO CHANGE YOUR GP ALL SO ASK TO SEE SOME ONE WHO DEALS WITH

      RUMATOLUGY

    • Posted

      It's not so much as going to see or finding a GP who accepts that these conditions actually exist but more so finding a medical practioner who sits on a Tribunal panel that he/she accepts that they are real conditions.

      Below is a comment from a senior Welfare Rights Officer:

      - Fibro - up there with CFS for being dismissed by the majority of medical professionals who sit on tribunals.

    • Posted

      I don't see him that often,  When I talked through my health issues with the ATOS assessor, I told her my symptoms were due to my extreme vit d deficiency (ostemalacia) and because she was a trained physi and knew about osteomalacia she agreed - so at least she seemed to understand what I am going through.  

      I think it is terrible how a handful of doctors can agree that lupus/fibro DOES EXIST with others saying the NO IT DOES NOT! Surely it has to be agreed by all doctors - how are we meant to trust them if they all have different views!  I think any lupus/fibro sufferers out there who are applying for PIP have a fight on their hands because I think many assessors and DWP assessors believe it is just in our heads!

    • Posted

      I think that the problem is that any of those conditions are not diagnosed in the strict medical sense but are said to be the 'default' position.

      From my understanding there are no proven ways through modern science to determine exactly that that is the condition - it's more a case of - 'well it's not this/that so let's put it down to...'

    • Posted

      I would also point out that mental health issues are just as difficult to diagnose. 'I feel depressed & anxious most of the time' can you test me please to confirm the diagnosis?

      If as I believe to be the case that the patient has to self assess themselves (been there and got the T shirt) what is stopping the claimant from over playing their depression & anxiety to garner a good diagnosis that will stand up when applying for benefits.

      I know what I had to do - one question 'on a scale of 1 to 10 do you feel suicidal? - In reality that was a 5 but I could of put 9. 

    • Posted

      I completely agree with you - anyone could act depressed - by going to see their doctor/benefits medical assessor with a sad face, unkemp appearance and say 'I feel suicidal because I am so depressed' and then go home and start dancing around the living room and planning their next wild night out.  And they could also have people who say they have joint pain or feel tired all the time when they don't.  What the professionals have to realise is that there are genuinely ill/depressed people out there and we are all not just looking for an excuse to not work or claim benefits.

    • Posted

      But the million dollar question then is - how do they spot the ones that are exaggerating their symptoms - GP or the DWP assessors?

      I know that there are good and bad all around us, but weeding out the bad is very difficult.

      I know one guy that gets his monthly repeat prescription but never takes any of the medication. On the face of it he must be in severe pain and have a difficult to control mental health problem, which is quite honestly untrue.

      In this particular case this all came to light when he showed me his ESA report (ESA85) and the award notice - Support Group for 3 years. The assessor made a point of saying that he would go along with the claim because of the type and amount of controlled drugs he was being prescribed for pain relief.

      This guy is what you would call a normal honest guy - but he explained that he had to carry out that scam in order to get what he believed he was entitled to. His reasoning was that if the DWP/assessors aren't honest why should he be any different

       

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