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I have been on thyroxine for 8 years now and have struggled throughout that time with a wide range of symptoms from inability to lose weight to crazy thoughts, and joint and muscle pain. I've read a lot about natural desiccated thyroid like armour, and would like to know if people have experienced positive results? I understand good diet and exercise are also vital and I do both very well however I just don't feel consistently good. Any advice would be great as I've struggled to get good information from doctors.

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    I have been giving good advice on this website but for some odd reason my posts are not getting published! 

    You should ask your Dr to check your adrenal cortisol, sex hormones, Free T3 and Free T4 and Reverse T3, Also Vitamin D and Iron levels and of course the TPO antibodies.  once you have a full picture then put all the symptoms into the search engine and you will find loads of information on how to heal naturally - through diet, herbs and suppliments alongside lifestyle changes and seek a good homeopath - this combination should provide you with enough of a body boost to fix all the problems.  You don't always need to take the sythetic hormones.  Try to give your body a chance to heal naturally.  Homeopaths have reversed this condition completely.  Hope this gets posted! Good luck. 

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    I second that.Feel the same as you.Saw my GP yesterday,but he said he couldn't prescribe it,but is finding me a different endocrinologist.Mine seems to think that once you're on the required meds,all is well and good,and doesn't take my symptoms seriously.Hope you get some positive responses.
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      Hi rajan43125,just a word of warning,I wanted to know my T3,and preferably all my levels,but the labs in my area won't test for T3.Have heard this before that another patient's GP sent off the blood,but it was refused more than once.Really hoping if I go out of the area to another specialist,they will be able to do the tests.Gill
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    The point is the medication only provides a releif of symptoms, won't address the underlying issues.  You should also do a hair mineral analysis for all the minerals in your body (inc toxic ones) and a gluten / food sensitivity test.  Most people on thyroid medication actually need to heal the gut, clean, build and repair from gluten causing permeability which can cause an auto immune reaction - the gluten is almost identical to thyroid protein tissue and so the body inflames against both.. and attacks both once the gut lining has permeability to gluten and possibly activated virus or pathogens lying dormant in the system.   Also stress and adrenal fatigue can put pressure on the thyroid... often also elevated estrogen levels can cause too much thyroid binding globulin which is a T3 (active) inhibitor.  With cortisol and tired adrenals creating too much reverseT3 as storage.  Weight gain often comes from too much estrogen (now everywhere through our soaps, perfumes, plastics, etc etc) and the liver gets tired trying to break it all down...  A good gut cleanse, blood cleanse (zeolite powder) rebuild the gut with probiotics and L Glutemine, calm and restore adrenal function with gentle ginseng and liquorice, take selennium, and magnesium and zinc most likely and drink clean, pure water where possible.  I've only recently been diagnosed with Hashimotos and given prescription but I decided that GPs knew nothing about the condition and really have no knowledge of nutrition, madness really.  So did my own intense research in last few weeks.  I have cut out soy, diary, gluten and eating whole organic produce... all the info can be found online.  Sorry to type in haste, cooking dinner for everyone! 
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    Unfortunately its a system and mindset they are taught.  They don't have ALL the answers , you are sometimes best to look around and research if you are not happy with the conventional answer.  Holistic health is definitely better.  Although you have been on meds a long time, which may make it harder to get clear of them homeopathically all the right changes in diet and herbs will go a long way in getting to the bottom of the issues whilst meds just treat the symptoms not provide a cure.
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      Get as many tests done as you can and you will find out about what's happening in your body then you can clear the weight by addressing the imbalances.  Often its just a shortage of certain elements or an imbalance.  Unless something leads to acute disease its not really on their radar to look holistically at the patient.  I have had ENORMOUS frustration getting a productive dialogue going with GPs and realise the Endo's follow the same line.  Someone recommended me look up a guy called Barry Durrant Peatfield. 
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      Thanks Sara. I'm still very fit however I'm finding it hard to stay balanced. I get days where my emotions are everywhere, and often I have poor recovery from exercise which annoys me. I found out the other day Im vitamin D deficient, and its funny you mention the cortisol because I used to get panic attacks daily which triggered the flight or fight and it was horrible. I used to take an adrenal support and actually felt really good but an endocrinologist persuaded me to come off it saying that I'd become dependant on it. I'm suspecting that I might not be converting T4 in to T3 because my TSH comes back hyper when I display none of the symptoms. Thank you guys for your advice, its nice to be able to speak and relate to people.
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    Hi Rajan, I echo your frustration. Have been on levo t for 5 months, but Im piling on weight, despite a good diet and plenty exercise. Have to say that the meds made me feel brighter mentally almost instantly and feeling a bit less tired. Great advice about getting full blood screen, thanks Sara. Good luck.
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      Cheers Debbie. Yeah I feel better than when un treated but certainly dont feel its normal or acceptable. I'll get my full bloods done and hopefully get on a better path.
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      T3 or RT3 are not standard, and no idea why - seems the most obvious thing to check for.. right.. ? 
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    I'm sure from here on Rajan you can change your whole protocol once you have established the answers on your bloods to:- cortisol, vit D, iron, estrogen, progesterone.. as well as the TPO results.  Low cortsol will cause a pregnenalone steal from the adrenals which is the hormone responsible for balancing sex hormones.  Estrogen dominance can cause thyroid binding globulin TBG which locks onto T3 making them inactive.  I swear that so many people now have estrogen dominance from a variety of influences.  Liver gets bogged down and tired trying to break it all down and often the gluten doesn't help.  The weight gain, depression, tiredness, joint pain all come from these factors along with the auto-immune problem. NONE of these problems are fixed with the thyroxin, and so they continue and all the imbalances continue.  My best advice is to find a really good homeopath with experience of addressing imbalance in these areas and do your bloods.  Take all the right nutrients and limit whatever is necessary to support balance in your gut and avoid the grains, sugar spikes, sunflower oils - turn to coconut oils and saturated fats, whole foods, balanced veg/protein and treat the adrenals if the cortisol levels are sub-optimum.  Interpret the results with your own copy against the normal range and if anything is looking low seek good nutritional support/ advice or from a holistic practitioner as I'm afraid the medics quite often don't recognise the whole picture, just treat the emergency with a sort of band aid approach.  Hope this all makes sense! 
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    I say None of these problems are fixed.... I am not a trained medic but I have heard that so many times, it may not be the case for everyone... but to hear that thyroxin of some sort is THE Most dished out drug in the US makes me wonder why trained medics aren't looking at this problem more holistically... and with a 50/50 sucess rate (long term) of fixing the problems I'd say its time people were healed rather than just hooked on big pharma.  Hope you can find a good experienced holisitic practitioner, don't bother going into detail with your GP as they don't welcome it... and just take a copy of your results with you.  You'll soon get to the bottom of your own dilemma... and who knows, over time, maybe even come off the meds if you can start to make the body heal naturally.  Get the diet right - stop the toxins through wheat, the gluten, soy and dairy and do a pro biotic and L Glutemine gut healing and cleanse protocol, take licourice root or ginseng to support adrenals (tincture) - often the worn down adrenals add belly weight as a form of protecting the organs... very hard to shift.  Good webinars to watch are by Dr Berg who really breaks it down in simple terms...
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    I use natural dessicated thyroid & self medicate as it is very difficult to get a GP to prescribe it without getting in trouble with the Medical Council.I would not go back to levothyroxine if they paid me ,the improvement in the 10 months I have taken Armour is brilliant,Unfortunately it is getting more difficult to get,I used the USA to source mine but now that is more difficult.I sugest that you join a thyroid group where you will learn lots about your condition & there are lots of people that will advise you on what you can do to help yourself.There is an excellent one on Facebook, it is a closed group so you have to join but the help & support you get will be invaluable,Hope that helps,
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      I agree the thyroid support group on facebook is very helpful,and definitely supportive as the name suggests.It's quite nice that you have to join the group as a patient.
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      Can you also tell me the difference between natural desiccated and thyroxine? Did it alleviate certain symptoms? I feel like sometimes I'm ok and other times I feel rubbish........never particularly good though.
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      NDT was used very sucessfully for over 100 years but then someone invented a synthetic tablet which is much cheaper but which only contains T4,Many people can not convert T4 to T3 which your body needs for you to feel well.NDT contains T4 & T3 so works better.There are other issues that need checking though so join the group on Facebook where you will find all the information that you need to prepare yourself to take NDT.There is also an excellent book full of everything you need to learn about your thyroid problems but can't be listed on this site.Please ,please join the group it will be well worth your while.
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