Atrial Fibrillation (AFib) and associated digestive problems?
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I have been diagnosed recently with Paroxysmal A/F. Episodes are usually infrequent- around 1 every 4-6 weeks. Onset is invariably at night and when lying down to sleep or actually asleep. The time spent out of rhythm varies from 30 minutes to as much as 8 hours, usually going back into normal sinus rhythm when the bloating has abated. ECG and Echo tests normal.
But have been prescribed a blood-thinner of course (not warfarin), which I have to start soon it seems.
Two things concern me:
ONE that neither the specialist or my GP seemed to accept that there was any connection between A/F and bloating/IBS yet the internet is crowded with people with the same symptoms as me. Only two (eminent) USA sites mention this as a reality.
TWO I do wish my GP would take seriously a need to review and change my medication routine (I have been on 25mg Atenolol for ectopic beats for 9 years now), especially since I have read in several notable cardiological sites that atenolol can not only contribute to A/F but also that in any event, 25mg is too low a dose.
Would others with A/F AND these IBS-type symptoms please share their experiences/outcomes/view please?
Many thanks!!
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jennifer_45307 edward1943
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Yes Edward. I am on Apixaban since January and I get high abdominal pain and bloating/diarrhoea. I've had all investigations but I'm told I have IBS. It's strange that my afib seems to come on when I'm having a bad IBS attack. I'm wondering if it's the Apixaban that is causing this. Are you on an anticoagulant now? Does it have side effects?
renae41784 edward1943
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I'm sitting with palpitations that have been going for about 4 hours now. I am wondering if it is because I took a laxative and am now bloated. Maybe I should've considered that it is a stimulant? I've been dealing this for five ears now but must confess I don't take care of myself. Would love to hear from someone who has had success thru diet and exercise. Maybe it would motivate me to do the same!
keith67574 edward1943
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mazieboo22 edward1943
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I had not been too bad for quite a while, I always get missed beats throughout the day but some days I get loads of them. I had missed taking my Senna tablets as it was thought I had Diverticulitis but I had the camera up and down and found nothing. Due to not take the Senna tablets the night before, my PAFib was so much worse it is like your body cannot cope with food or bowel contents and decides to freak out. I was given Bisprolol on the second occasion but I only really see the doctor when it gets into a crazy rhythm as the doctor said not to take the medication when it is just a fast beat or random missed beats, only if it is has been longer than 15 minutes in a very odd rhythm. It is strange that all of us on here have had digestive or bowel problems so surely they must now make the link? Stress also causes it but then stress makes digestive and bowel problems worse. I find I do some exercise if I can between the weird feeling I get and by doing that it sometimes rights itself and it gets worse if I lie on my right side and not my left. I have had it for 10 years now and it is scary it does make you have a sudden headache and makes my face hot. I wish I didn't have it but these things you have to live with and learn how to cope with it the best you can by finding out what triggers it.
keith67574 edward1943
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derek76 keith67574
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Re diverticulitis, in 1980 I was told that I had 'slight pocketing'. In 1994 I was told that it was severe and in 2005 when I had yet another barium enema X-Ray that it was widespread and that the laxative had not cleared hardened feaces from all the pockets and that the X-Ray was rather foggy because of that. When I had a colonoscopy four years ago they were surprised that I not suffered from infections over the years.
I'm not sure what I must be doing right.
Turnbuckle edward1943
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I discovered afib by accident. I receive an Apple watch as a present. One day I decided to fiddle with it and see what the heart icon was showing. It showed a pulse variation between about 50 and 173. Three ECGs and ER monitors confirmed I was in afib. But, the interesting thing was I was constipated at the time a arrived at ER, and while still in ER, I went to the bathroom. Within about 30 mins, the afib was gone and while in ER another ECG confirmed that fact. Coincidence? Note that I have been fighting 3-day constipation cycles for over 3 years. What was afib I thought was digestive sensations! I suppose I was lucky because the only medication I was taking was baby aspirins. Now, I am on a blood thinner (Eliquist). ?I made the constipation-afib connection with considerable hindsight! I now work with both GI and Cardio doctors, and I'm still in the midst of testing and attempting to isolate constipation as the sole cause of my afib. However, I am amassing data largely with the help of an iPhone app, Cardiogram, that works with the watch. It provides a good way to keep a brief journal of afib episodes and digestive situations (or any other events that might be associated with afib). At this point, the data point to the conclusion that for me, constipation is triggered between 3-4 days of constipation, and arrhythmic measured by the watch stops within 1-2 hours after bowel movement. In my situation, the difficulty is solving the constipation issue reliably without using extreme drugs to do so. I'll check back again to this forum in a few months with better data. But, at this point I strongly recommend anyone having afib and an apple watch/iPhone combination use it to "journalize" GI issues. That's what I am doing, and I am sharing the results with both my GI and Cardio doctors. The working hypothesis is that bowel distention and/or chemical reactions attributable to constipation trigger Vagus nerve activity in the gut. Because the Vagus works both with the guts and the heart, there may be digestive-related signals attributed to constipation that cause interference with signals also going to the heart. That interference may be the cause of my afib. I am quick to point out, however, that there are no medical studies that either look at that hypothesis or support it! So, I'm the Guinea test subject!
mazieboo22 edward1943
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I hope you manage to get a definitive answer so we can actually know there is a link.
bette37611 edward1943
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Edward,hopefully by now you have received some answers to your problem. I have digestive problems with my AF also.Both a pain in my stomach and heartburn. My cardiologist didn't think they were related, but my internist believed they were. He put me on protonic and said to take an antacid between. I am going to put myself on a gerd diet to cut down on the acid. Drinking ice water will sometimes help the AF. Hope this helps and the best to you Bettie
bette37611 edward1943
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leo81288 edward1943
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I completely concur with you all. What to do?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=168&v=bwgDFHOkR20
jayne42275 edward1943
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HI,
I have Paroxysmal Afib too. I notice that indigestion, salty food, bloating, being constipated, eating too big a portion at one time etc. can bring on an episode. For me even eating gluten can instigate an episode. My episodes last anywhere from 9 to 48 hours.
The vagus nerve can be irritated or inflamed ( from the list above) and cause an Afib episode. I recently read a medical article about "VAGAL AFIB" being a new category.
So your observations about what triggers your own afib are founded.
derek76 jayne42275
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The vagus nerve can be affected by having a large heavy bowel movement. The ward sister when I was having my pacemaker said that many of her female patients also go into AF when getting up in the night to urinate and stagger out of the toilet.
Turnbuckle jayne42275
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I am currently experimenting with a drug recently approved by the FDA. It is Motegrity (expensive!) and appears to be working on my vagal afib because it helps by greatly reducing constipation . in my Judgment it is all related to a distended bowel that then fires activity on the Vegas nerve. in my judgment it is all related to a distended bowel that then fires activity on the vagus nerve this produces Noise at the heart level and that results in arrhythmia. So, after I eat I have tachycardia extending for 1 to 4 hours. The result is fib is cessation with a clean gut, about as clean as a prep for a colonoscopy. Even with Moregrity I still have to rely on laxatives. All of this activity has been done in the direction of GI, Cardio and Electro-physiologist Drs . it is interesting (and telling) that within about 20 minutes or less of total gut emptying, normal sinus rythmn is restored.
reginald86759 Turnbuckle
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......and so one might ask why doesn't the medical profession spend a bit more time tackling one of the causes of afib instead of the symptoms?
lastchance derek76
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Out to the toilet about 3am of a night , leaping back into bed fast heart rate ensues. But AF first diagnosed at GP when I thought I had a lung problem (periodic episodes of shortness of breath over 2 years) HRate of 150 and wasn't even aware of it. Rather odd at 62 female and not overweight or unfit and EchoCardiogram says no physical heart problems. Calcium Channel blocker (diltiazem) sorted the breathlessness but at the expense of severe indigestion - felt like I was carrying a set of bagpipes filled with caustic soda. Now stopped that medication entirely for 2 months.Thanks to short course of antibiotics for kidney infection indigestion miraculously went. Palpitations back but trying short course of bisoprolol