before maggie

do  not forget  the promise made by HER  when selling of council house either. that the money from the sells was to be used to rebuild new and better social housing .

did i miss something?

We all must have missed that one, or maybe it didn't happen?

Oh yes, another Tory promise broken, but isn't that what they always do?

 

and only a mere 10 million pounds out of the tax payers pockets to bury her 

as if she did not cost us enough already.

i hate that women with vengence .

although the unions did go to far , they brought this countrys working class out of extreme poverty and she put us all back init again .

when ever there has been a shortage of employment in the past there has followed a war ,this time the war is on our streets .poverty brings about depression depression makes people give up when people give up they stop caring about morals rights and wrongs and do what they can to survive  eventuly it will lead to anikey

much greater than any punk shouted about in the 70s/80s

there will be  such an explossion in this country soon that it will make the french revolution look like a garden party . .

Very likely Tis.

it will come .trust me .

I have to say Tis, you do talk a lot of sense.

well its not rocket seince really , if you do away with industry you do away with jobs you do away with jobs you have the problems of high unemployment and crime rates .

after a few years of maggies rule i went back to leicester where i had grown up  and it made me cry the once massive corahs knitwear factory stood against the sky like a large black dinorsaur sillent ,still, and empty

its windows smashed its doors and walls covered in gravetity , this once noisey busy industrous place that employed a least a couple of thousand people with there knitting machines stichers cutters packers pickers and pressers .

and  my heart broke i knew then  at 19 , as i stood and looked upone this site that this was not a new begining but the complete and utter end of life as we knew it .

 

Exactly how I felt when the farm had to close.

Those had been the best years of my life, then all taken away in a flash.

yes i forgot about the farms hun i suppose its because i am a city girl.

well you got all those lovely  barn conversions to look at now .

i am only joking i think they are right eyesores myself .

Thatcher ruined the coal miners lives and took their living away from them, what for, to buy more expensive coal from Germany and Poland?

She ruined many farming communities.

She did a lot more than that.

She destroyed the lives of many people, why?

"Because the lady won't be turned.......................". The woman was a dangerous megalomaniac.

And Maggie did not think. Oh poor farmers. What did she think. 

Oh those pretty little houses and barns are falling into ruin. What a pity. I must save the pretty countryside. Let's pass laws to make it easy to get planning permission to turn those pretty barns into holiday houses.

 

more like a insane !

 

just what we need holiday homes for familes who cant afford a holiday because they have no work .

yes and now poland and germany and i believe russia can now hold us 

to ransom over the price 

 

Our own coal mines are still there and we have masses of coal left in them.

We also have lots of unemployed people, so why don't they just reopen our own mines and tell the Germans, Poles and Russians to get on their bikes? 

the thing is that the mines have stood empty for a long time now 

so would all have to be sorted and made safe .

a lot of miners are now well above retirement age 

so who are you going to get to train new miners and in the age of reality tv ,and guys spending afortune on looking good who are you going to get to go down the mines .

once away of life goes its hard to put it back. 

we had a man round today asking if we would be interested in door step milk delivery again but only 3 times aweek .  i would but only if it comes in glass bottles ,his not sure if it does so is going to check and get back to us but i dont think it will take of people have become to reliant on cheap supermarket milk . . its sad that we dont look a a quater of a centray a head like asian countrys instead of 10 yrs which is just a total disaterous way of doing things .

 

Maybe when we look back,  because it was a time when we were younger and felt safe and comfortable, and now it is anything but that, we think the past was better - but maybe it wasn't?

Just on another point, isn't it true that we do tend to look at everything through rose tinted glasses?

You know, when I joined this forum and found so many sick and disillusioned people, I thought that I could make a difference and help them, because that is what I used to do.

I was wrong.

Whether it is because there are too many people, or whether my ego was really lying to me, the fact is that I cannot really help anyone.

It would take God to do that, and I'm not God.

Our imagination plays trick on us, but isn't that really what it has always done, only now in our dotage we are begining to believe it?

i'm not sure i understand your reply to the my statement dosent seem to have any connection to what i said. 

i get what your suggesting about rose tinted glasses , but unlike so many others ,i have not forgot about 3 day weeks ,power cuts, bombings of nightclubs and restraunts from the ira .

havnt forgotten about hearing about soldiers being killed nightly on the news,havnt forgotten about body searches and handbag searches going in to nightclubs .etc .

the thing is al this and more that wasnt good about the 70s there was a hell of a lot that was good

, families were still important i had several friends at school none of them were from single parent families,

we still sat round tables for meals , we went to the pictures, as a family 

we had good working mens clubs were friends got togethere and on family nights there familys got together to .

afew familes went to spain on holidays but most still went to skeggie and yarmouth and ha d a good time 

now we want to much expect to much and a lot of us are dissapointed and disalousioned because no matter what maggie said we all cant be millioners

,we need   levals working class middle class and the nobbs its always been that way and always will be.

no matter what anyone says or trys to do about . one leval supports the other . with out it society crumbles .

not that anyone leval should not be treated equaly within the law ,within medical care ,education . .well thats how i feel . 

i never went to uni ,but i know if you take industery away you have no employment for the masses you will have problems .

What I was trying to say Tis, is that we are of an age now that is  past and that maybe we are looking back and trying to idealise the period that we lived through.

We think it was better then, but youngsters would maybe think we were talking through our hats and it better today.

I personally reflect on the past with great fondness and pride, because I do believe that Britain was truly a great and secure place to be. But throughout the years I have seen and experienced that greatness and securuty eroded to nothing, to the point today when I do find it difficult to latch on to anything secure about it.

I also believe that there have been major changes to the attitudes demonstrated by the general public which I feel has also gone down the pan.

So in short, yes I am agreeing with everything you have said, but because we think it does not necessarily mean that we are correct.

I cannot remember who said it, but basically the saying goes like this:

'There are in fact three truths, your truth, my truth and the real truth', and it all depends from what perspective we are looking-in.

i do get what your saying .

but i still think that when we had work for most ,it was a better place to be .

everybody needs to feel secure and you cant feel secure with out work and money in your pocket . to feed and take care of our families .

we lived well and my dad was only a market trader .we had soup to start a a main, and a pudd everynight, we had our own house and so did my dads friends who were also traders , some of there kids even went to private school and had ponies . 

cant see that today . 

There is one problem we cannot get away from. We were educated at home and at school and by experience for a world and society that no longer exists. 

Very profound and completely true George.

this is true