Best time to take Pred
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Hi,
Is there an ideal time to take Pred?
I have been doing so much reading on this and somewhere came across something that highlighted the height of the auto immune signals was when we are asleep and therefore wouldn't it make more sense to take the pred before bed rather than in the morning...I look forward to hearing what advice can be offered here?
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daisylazy andy34717
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Silver49 andy34717
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I am sure Eileen will advise but I think 2am is around the optimum time. Some people do that but I never did as I thought I wouldn't manage to get back to sleep. I always take mine in the morning and I must admit to being a bit lax with the timing now that I have reached 3mgs. Sometimes I am a bit late in taking the Pred but don't seem to suffer as I would at the beginning when it was so painful on waking.
susan43406 andy34717
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kate50809 andy34717
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I did read a report somewhere by a doctor (who also had PMR) who believed it was better for the adrenals to take the pred later in the morning as it would be less of a problem when you get to the low doses. Typically, I cannot find this again no matter how I word the search!! Has anyone else heard of this?
lynda62707 andy34717
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Hi Andy, welcome aboard this "crazy" pmr/prednisone rollercoaster ride! I obviously can't speak as a medical expert, all I can tell you of is my own experience. I'm relatively new to this thing as well, apprx. 3mo. in. When I first started on prednisone, I took it around noon time. I was having Lots of trouble sleeping and was told to take it much earlier in the am, which I continue to do. For the most part that seems to work ok. It Does get a little tricky around 4-6 in the am, but if I take it too early, then it doesn't quite get me through to my next dosage! I try 2 just power through. Over time, it has gotten easier, I guess as the prednisone has built up in my system! I hope some of this info helps! Good luck 2 you, and put your seatbelt on!😏
nick67069 andy34717
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BettyE andy34717
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As ever, it is a case of what works for you. I think that when we are first diagnosed we are all told to take Pred. in the morning with some food. When I complained to my doctor that I couldn't live with the hyped upness that came from Pred. he said try taking it at night and for me this worked. My sleep was not affected. This does seem bizarre, I know, but the only explanation is that we are all different or, rather, we are not all the same.
Listen to and be kind to yourself.
EileenH andy34717
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The recommended time to take pred in PMR is in the morning as a single dose. The inflammatory substances that cause the inflammation leading to pain and stiffness are shed in the body at about 4am - the sooner you can take the pred after that, the sooner it will work and the less it has to do. As Silver says, 2am was found in a study to be the optimum time to avoid morning stiffness - except it isn't very practical! Many people wake early and take their pred and settle down for another couple of hours to allow the pred to work before getting up.
As has been mentioned, sometimes the antiinflammatory effect doesn't last the full 24 hours - it ranges from 12-36 hours. Then splitting the dose may help extend the pain-relief, taking about 2/3 in the morning and the rest later, about 2 hours before you expect the symptoms to return.
The comments about adrenal function refer to a study that was done some years ago showing that taking 5mg of pred at night suppressed adrenal function more than 15mg taken in the morning. This has led to doctors saying pred should always be taken in the morning. This really only applies to short courses of pred - for chest infections or asthma for example, so that when the patient stops taking pred their adrenal function takes up their job again easily. When you take pred at above 10mg for more than a few weeks the adrenal glands shut down their production of cortisol, the body's natural corticosteroid which is essential for life, because the body knows that there is plenty of corticosteroid present and no more is required. It is an excess that leads to the side effects.
Since the natural production of cortisol is suppressed it really makes little difference what time pred is taken until you get below about 10mg and so it makes most sense to take it at the time that works best for you in suppressing the symptoms. Pred doesn't cure anything - it just allows a decent quality of life in the meantime until the underlying cause of PMR symptoms burns out and goes into remission. That can be anything from 2 years upwards, the median (average) is just under 6 years. You start at a dose that is usually plenty to manage the symptoms and then reduce slowly to find the lowest dose that manages the symptoms as well as the starting dose did. It is usually under 10mg when you go about it slowly and sensibly. Rushing doesn't help - the symptoms will just flare up. Doctors have been heard to say "I get all my patients off pred in a year..." - it is rubbish. There isnothing they can do to speed up the process, PMR calls the shots and you will get to a low dose or get off pred when PMR says you can. Not before. No exceptions.
margaret53690 andy34717
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karenfizz andy34717
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Hi Andy
I am 3 months in to my PMR journey and initially I found that I woke with pain at 2am so took my dose then, and tried to get back to sleep (mostly failing). Following comments on this forum (so helpful) about splitting the dose, i started to take 1/3 of dose at night before bed, then 2/3 on waking at 6 or 7 with a couple of spoons of yogurt. This works for me as I don't wake early with pain/stiffness and am reducing slowly.
andy34717 karenfizz
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Hi Karenfizz,
thanks for the reply and as a result of the advice and guidance on this forum I too have split my dose and take 1/3 before bed and the remaining 2/3 when I wake with yoghurt...seems to be working ok for me at the moment and so far I am that tired at the moment in the evening it doesn't affect me getting to sleep. But I have only been doing this for the last 4 days...so fingers crossed this is set to continue as a successful way to take pred and manage the PMR
lynda62707 andy34717
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Hi to both you and Karen fizz, mind me asking what dosages of prednisone you're both taking? Only curious as I too used to split my initial dosage of 15mg. as it seemed to not get me all through the next 24 hrs w/o problems. But alas, I ran into a new set of problems with splitting it up, so have returned to taking it all about 11:00am each day. After about 10 days of doing it like that, it seems to be working now by not splitting it up. I know we're all different, I'm just always interested in hearing other people's experiences!
nick67069 lynda62707
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I know you are not asking me, but the rule is that you should take your dose as early as possible to counter the inflammation causing substance, which is released at 4-4:30AM. The longer you wait, the harder pred has to work and that means you would need higher dose of pred for the same effect. The alternative is to "bracket" the cytokines release by taking some pred late at night and some as soon as you wake up.
The only exception is if you happen to be one of the people that "half life" of pred is short and need second dose later in a day to make thru 24h period.
andy34717 lynda62707
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I am on 15mg, so I take 1 5mg at bedtime and the other 2 5mg in the morning. I hope that this helps.
andy34717 lynda62707
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lynda62707 andy34717
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lynda62707
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karenfizz lynda62707
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Hi Lynda, I'm on 15mg, starting dose was 20mg for me and I found I was waking with pain around 2 or 3am, so taking 1/3 dose at night sorted that out. Now I take 5 at bedtime and 10 on waking, which works for me.
Good luck!