Bruising and blood pressure.

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Hi everyone.

I have been suffering with badly aching lower legs. My gp said that even though I am on diuretics (which thankfully have reduduced the swelling), I still have excess fluid in my ankles and feet. My physio advised massaging from foot to knee in an upward stroke towards the heart. I did this the same evening and it did relieve the aching. However, when I got up next morning my lower leg was covered in small bruises! Bang went the massaging, back came the ache! Any ideas anyone?!

Also I have high blood pressure which is not responding to medication. I have been prescribed about six different tablets over the last year but nothing is working. I am currently on Lercanidipine and Flurosemide and apart from what seems like constant trips to the loo and the previously mentioned reduction of swollen feet and ankles, they are still not working. Is this part of the pmr or pred related? Does anyone else have this problem? My partner has (bless him)! bought me a footstool so that I can sit with my feet up in the evening. I have to make sure that my foot sticks out over the edge otherwise my heel burns like mad. Is this normal?

On a positive note, I am now two weeks into the slow reduction plan and so far so good. I know it's early days but I am really pleased to be doing something to take back some control over this weird disease!

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    Hi debbie i have been suffering from P M R since Jan 2013 i had blood preasure before i started with but had no trouble keeping it under control since having P M R had trouble because of the pain>but its now under control again while taking preds i take 1 10 mil Ramipril daily also i had trouble with my feet and legs swelling like balloons my dr has tried me on Natrilix 2;5 mg daily and they have worked for me they also helped my blood pressure .i also get bruising on my arms just by lying in bed at night so i can imagine what rubbing your legs would do hope this helps .good luck on your long journey.
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      Hi Ann

      Thankyou for responding. I have tried ramipril but they gave me breathing problems and a continuous cough, as did Lisinopril. I have not heard of Natrilix. I will ask my gp about it at my check up next week. Sorry to hear about your arms. That must be awful. We have bought a memory foam matress topper which has helped me a lot. I also have an orthopaedic memory foam pillow which is heaven for my shoulders. I think they should be given out on the national health to all pmr patients! 

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    Really it is a good idea to ALWAYS try to sit with your feet up, preferably above the level of your heart, and really try not to stand too much. No ironing!!! And get your partner to get you a "zero gravity" reclining chair - just a Lafuma patio chair really, other makes are available at slightly lower prices!

    Pred tends to make people bruise easily and if you were a bit too firm with the massage that will account for that. I had manual lymph drainage which made a massive difference. Someone was surprised to find someone local to her who offered it. It is available in the UK because I know breast cancer patients sometimes make use of it. Have you tried pressure stockings? Like flight socks...

    As for your blood pressure - who is experimenting with the various drugs? Your GP? If so ask for a referral to an expert. My cardiologist has me on a combination of tablets which works well - I have no side effects at all. The original option I was allergic to and developed a mega-itchy rash so it was changed. 

    It is possible that as your dose falls so will the fluid retention and BP but it should be possible to manage something in the meantime - but GPs are generalists and don't know all the tricks.

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      Hi Eileen

      I have just returned to the computer, exhausted after changing the bed and washing up. I apologised to you (out loud i may add)! and grabbed afore mentioned stool for my legs! Yes, it is my gp trying out all blood pressure tablets known to man. Forgive my ignorance but what sort of expert do I need for the continuous high blood pressure? I do have to add that it started pre-pred. I will certainly mention the chair. Sounds wonderful. I will google manual lymph drainage and do some research. I still need to do the ironing but am learning to do it in short bursts rather than saving it up and doing a marathon like I used to! I'm afraid I can't use pressure stockings because of my spinal condition. Anything tight around my leg is too painful. I have even had to change the type of jeans that I wear. This weather is great, as I can stick to dresses and loose linen trousers. Thankyou for your advice. Most helpful, as always. take care, Debbie

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      NO, NO, NO, NO..........

      You may do any one of those tasks - but preferably NOT all on one day and absolutely never one after the other! I used to take 3 goes to change the bedlinen. I still often take 2 - sheet and pillow cases in one go, duvet covers second. And I have single duvets - I couldn't even begin to wrestle with a double even now. I have 2 single foam mattresses so they are light and for a long time used single sheets. I have graduated to a double bottom sheet. 

      Ironing? If you must iron - do only what has to be done, teatowels for example DON'T! I love the feel of freshly ironed bedding - but for a long time that went the way of all flesh believe me. And whoever it is who wants/needs ironed whatevers can learn to do them themselves. Even my husband can iron a shirt - I can't watch, it takes him about 10 mins but he can do it if push comes to shove.

      Washing up? Get a dishwasher. Or tell the rest of the household to wash their own. Or get paper plates...

      You MUST rest, you MUST avoid the things that make it all worse. If you continue to carry on as normal you will be ill for far longer. "Lizzie Ellen" on another forum decided after 4 years of pain and yoyoing her dose, flare after flare, decided in spring last year to turn into a Precious Princess. Then one day she got up and felt ... NORMAL! She is still reducing very slowly so isn't off pred yet but like me (I gave up a lot of things 2 years ago) she feels well and energetic and all sorts of things have disappeared. We still haven't admitted we could possibly do housework though ;-) . My husband (who won't do cleaning) chooses to pay for a cleaner - not every week, just every couple of months to do heavy stuff. And I ignore the dust. If someone doesn't like it they can have a duster any time.

      I know that for some people there isn't the option of a dishwasher, a cleaner. In that case you must get the family to help or break it down into very small bites. Ironing in particular is bad - the arteries supplying your arms are inflamed and the blood supply to your arms is not as good as it should be. Doing repetitive or sustained actions requires lots of oxygen - and the muscles aren't getting enough. Ironing: sustained action holding a heavy iron and keeping your fingers in one position and the sweeping action pushing the iron back and forwards. Cleaning windows - the same. Washing up, holding the sponge and the item you are washing, and exerting pressure to get that last burnt on bit from the grill pan. Everything that will go in the dishwasher goes in there. I had one friend years ago who put EVERYTHING in the dishwasher. If it wasn't clean after 3 tries she chucked it away! I don't go as far as that. But line grill/roasting pans with foil - chuck that away. Baking parchment, soak things - all sorts of ways to make it easier. My ironing board is permanently up in front of the TV, I do a few bits - and then sit down with my feel UP. Then I do a bit more - rinse and repeat.

      To live well with PMR you have to learn a new way of life and it s probably difficult when all  your life you have done it this way. But the sooner you learn the sooner you will feel closer to normal and feel life is worth living. And be much happier and less irritable - because pred, pain and tiredness all make anyone bad tempered!!

      Uncontrollable BP belongs in the hands of a specialist. I am under a cardiologist and that would be a good place to start - if they rule out the vascular problems they can look for other causes. Raised BP is a symptom of something else and handing out tablets willy-nilly won't identify that. I do get cheesed off with GPs who can't admit their limitations and don't use their skills to decide who to send their patients to. By the time you are on pred, calcium and vit D supplements, probably omeprazole or something - and then they start you on BP meds, you have no idea what side effect is what and what is interacting with what. 

      Right - I'll stop ranting for now :-)

      Eileen

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    HI debbie plenty of rest now for 2 days /ironing only do whats needed and then i sit down to do it,i only change beds every 2 week.
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    Hi everyone who has replied to my message about pmr yesterday. The consultant upped my pred to 25 as from yesterday. I am still in chronic pain - does anyone know how long the higher preds take to kick in? When I have reduced them in the past it has been done with 2,5. Is there a smaller dosage than that? My consultant has said to reduce to 20 after a week. Does anyone think that is too much? I live by myself and used to doing everything but have now realised that I have to rest after little jobs. It is very frustrating as my garden is looking like a jungle but I can hardly bend down at the moment. My BPis normal and I have no swelling but I have noticed that the middle finger of my right hand keep locking.
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      I'm a bit confused now - I don't know your history well enough! What dose were you on? Have you been down low and had to increase?

      One cause of returned pain is steroid withdrawal rather than the PMR flaring - raising the pred again will obviously deal with that but it is better to reduce in very small steps. If you areon white pred tablets they come in 1mg as well so  you can reduce just one mg at a time. We also suggest spreading each reduction over much longer, taking a few weeks to do it. There are a couple of suggested schemes, I have one, MrsK has another. They do the same, just are slightly differently mapped out.

      One of the typical things about PMR is that 15 to 20mg is usually enough to control the pain so needing a higher dose would ring alarm bells for some doctors. There are other things that respond to higher doses which don't respond to the lower doses usually used. It is of course possible to have something else, such as myofascial pain syndrome, clouding the picture and then more targetted treatment such as cortisone injections or massage/mobilisation by a physio can be useful.

      However, your rheumy obviously thinks it is the PMR if he's told you to have a blast at the inflammation with 25 and then reduce to 20. If you were OK below 20 before that is probably fair enough but if when you reduce to 20 you have an immediate return of pain try going in 2,5mg steps over a few days. You GP may let you have a prescription for 1mg tablets to make it a bit simpler.

      I had to give up gardening - and now we have a balcony with OP's gardens and the mountains. They do for me - and no lawns to mow! I also had the problem with finger joints feeling as if they'd got stuck. After several months on pred it did improve though. Still happens once in while.

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    I hope you got the last message from me.  Anyway thanks for all your help it is really good tohave some support

    Phoebe

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      Hi Phoebe

      Thankyou for your reply and you are welcome. We all try to support each other on here and some days, I don't know where I would be without you all!

      Debbie

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    I second PMRPro's suggestion re a gravity chair. I got a not so expensive one which was great, but I then got the French Lafuma one which is brilliant and even more comfortable, but more expensive. I can lie in it and be virtually pain free. My friends have to use the cheap one. The only problem is the next door neighbours' cat likes the Lafuma and covers it with hairs, he also gets very annoyed if I want to use it. 
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      See - cats know a good thing when they see it! My Lafuma one must be way over 25 years old. I've just replaced the elastic suspension bands - for 10 euros! They may be expensive in the first place but they are worth it. Mine is a bit of a sod to persuade to open up but I suspect a bit of WD40 would help there ;-) 

      I suggested to my paramedic daughter she should get one for occasions she is on stand-by at the station. They used to have reclining chairs but all have been broken and they aren't allowed to take camp beds in - they might go to sleep and that isn't approved of. The gravity chair would be perfect - she did have a look on e-bay but no doubt that was as far as it got. 

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      I will definately look into this chair thing. Ha Ha, Cats. I love 'em!

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    Dear Debbie:   You have described my malady perfectly.  Please be very careful not to bump into anything which may break the skin as the swelling prevents the healing process.  I took Flurosemide which helps in general but I was given pressure stockings to keep the swelling down in my legs where the bruising and wounds are.  A pillow under the knees at night also helps to "hang" the legs so there is no pressure.  My skin is so tender I don't think I could have a massage .

    We also bought footstools, pushed them as close to the seat as possible to avoid

    any pressure on the lower legs but it's a bit tricky.  My blood pressure vascillates!!

    Women are so indoctrinated, we just need to realise the world will not end if we 

    care for ourselves for a change.   

    I made a terrible faux pas when I stated my dr. said I could go down 2-3mgs pred. each month, it should have read  - I can go down l mg. every 2-3 weeks, however,

    I'm doing fine reducing 1 mg. every month, sorry about this misinformation I must

    be more careful.   Cheers.

     

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    Debbie, Snap! with the high BP which is not responding to medication.  I have also been prescribed 6 different tablets in the last year or so.  I have recently stopped one of the two latest pills I was on for a couple of months as I was finding it very difficult to cope with the ankle/feet/leg swelling, and when a bowel problem joined in the fun, I thought enough is enough!  I've now been prescribed a diuretic called Indapamide (think it's the same as the Natrilix Ann98860  has mentioned to try and lower my BP alongside Losartan Potassium which I've been taking for a few months but which appears useless on its own.  

    I didn't have any BP problems during my years on steroids for PMR and GCA - for me this has all come about since stopping the steroids almost 2 years ago, so I can't blame steroids.  However, in your case perhaps the steroids or something else you are taking alongside is causing the problem with your blood pressure and, hopefully, as you reduce the steroid dose your blood pressure will also reduce.

    I agree with Eileen, that if you GP is unable to control your BP, then he should be referring you to someone who can.  Having said that, it is a renal consultant who is trying to get my BP under control.......not very successfully at the moment, it has to be said, but that's probably more to do with my body than his expertise!

    At least you are having some success with the slow reduction plan, and long may that continue - well done!

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