Chronic insomnia and palpitations

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I've been diagnosed with generalized anxiety disorder 10 years ago and back then it started with a sudden chronic insomnia. I got prescribed mirtazapine, which worked like a charm and throughout the 10 years I've barely had any problems with insomnia. Until this year, when I've been battling insomnia since January.

Mirtazapine still works for me - I do feel sleepy after taking it, but it does nothing for my palpitations, which are partially due to anxiety and possibly also due to a mild mitral valve prolapse, which however the doc deemed too mild to treat. Anyway, I usually can't fall asleep 3/7 days a week, and the only thing that helps on those nights is rivotril, which I don't want to take that often though since it's a benzo. But if I can't fall asleep and don't take it, I've had nights when I tossed and turned for 5+ hours.

I have a sleep diary and I tried to do and not do all sorts of things but the insomnia doesn't seemed to be linked to anything. I can exercise, not drink coffee, feel anxiety-free and yet can't sleep. Then I can also feel anxious whole day and sleep well. I've tried all of those tips on the internet that I now can't even look at because they drive me mad - I read an hour before bed, so no electronics, I don't eat a few hours before sleep, I drink herbal teas, I try breathing exercises, muscle relaxation, visualization....

The weirdest thing is that I'm actually super tired when I get up after not being able to sleep for an hour. I can't keep my head up, but my palpitations make me feel as though I was injected with adrenaline.

I'd be glad for any advice that's not written in the tons of lists out there on google.

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    What do your heart palpitations feel like?  Is your heart rate increased?  Does your heartbeat feel a lot stronger like it's beating out of your chest? 

    • Posted

      Yes, my heartbeat feels very strong, I can feel it in my ears as well, especially when lying down or leaning on a chair's back.

      The heart rate isn't always increased, though my heart rate has always been on the higher end - probably due to my mitral valve prolapse. More so when I was younger; nowadays it's 80-90 when I'm calm and much higher when exercising/climbing stairs and such (though I haven't measured).

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      Hi Alaenya - when you say you feel it in your ears, what do you mean?  Are you experiencing ringing (tinnitus)?  Does it have a pulsating feel in line with your heartbeat?  Are both ears affected or just one?  I have been having tinnitus in my left ear since my insomnia/breathing condition started.  I also have tachycardia in the mornings at times, but it has lessened in severity.  At one point, my heart would speed up into the 110-120's in the morning hours while still half asleep and would be very forceful like your heart was beating out of your chest.

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      no, it has nothing to do with the ear, it's just a sensation of feeling the pulse in that part, but only when I lie on that side. Which is why I have to fall asleep on my back or on right side, which is better than the left.

      My palpitations are also worse in the morning after waking up, almost as if my anxiety went on throughout the whole night without a rest sad

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    I have this frequently also (palpitations) and they often induce insomnia. FWIW my perspective is this:

    A few years ago I overtrained (I'm a keen martial artist) on the back of years of playing Australian rules football and periods of extreme overwork. The upshot is I damaged my sympathetic nervous system and this is where likely your problem lies.

    I had a lot of expensive treatment, including a cardiologist (for the palpitations and elevated HR), and ironically the free NHS treatment at the Royal Free Fatigue Clinic was the most effective, and involved no taking of drugs, but a bit of education and simple graded exercise therapy - that and a LOT of determination on my part to sort things out.

    Basically your various systems, endocrine, sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous, digestive, immune, are all interplay with each other and your mind. An example; which comes first, the thought or the feeling? Very often sensations in our body are misinterpreted, e.g. hunger and depression. The sensation of anxiety comes from the hormone cortisol and the reason it is in your system can be for a variety of reasons.

    In my case, because of my experience of overtraining, my body has 'learnt' to release too much cortisol when I exercise. Ironically, it's doing MORE exercise that controls it, but in a very carefully managed way. Essentially what happens is, if I allow my HR to be too high for too long, it overstimulates my SNS (sympathetic nervous system), kind of like hiccoughs, meaning I have an elevated resting HR, palpitations, diahorrea, head aches, fatigue, and of course - insomnia.

    Now however, it is not just exercise that induce symptoms, it can be other things as well - general stress and overstimulation, certain foods, and esp alcohol (goddammit). Cortisol is released due to any sort of inflammation in your system, such as illness, allergies, infection, or injury. Another contributing factor that can lead to these problems is childhood trauma. No one knows exactly why this is, but the assumption is that it has something to do with the bodies adaption mechanism maladapting to certain stimuli.

    For professional help, my advice would be to look toward Chronic Fatigue specialists. Graded Exercise therapy is really really effective, but it takes a lot of discipline. It's not just about that, it's also about really carefully constructed routines.

    The most important thing I have done to help manage my problems was diet. It should absolutely be the very first thing you examine and experiment with, perhaps you could include a food diary (I had to do this) as well as a sleep diet. Everything else is pretty much downstream from what you eat. At the risk of sounding like I am promoting a fad diet, my suggestion is to look at the paleo approach.

    The paleo approach has two distinct areas, but the principle is the same. There is the basic approach and the auto-immune approach (which you won't need to concern yourself with). The idea behind the paleo approach is that modern eating habits are out of step with the eating habits we evolved with, and what are bodies tolerate or need varies from person to person. If you eat too much of certain foods it can induce an inflammatory response, which in turn produces cortisol, which over time has the health implications exactly like the ones you have outlined.

    For me, this means almost no sugar at all, not even fruit, extremely high fat, oils and protein, and very low carbohydrates. So typically I eat lots and lots of nuts, avocados, Low GI vegetables, meats and lots of olive oil and animal fats. But it also means the quality of the food has to be very high. I also try to eat lots of pro-biotic sauerkraut  to make sure have good gut flora. The difference has been that I don't gain weight even when I eat a lot, but the main difference has been to my mood. I used to be really up and down, but now I am much more stable. Alone, the diet won't STOP me from getting symptoms, but it makes it much easier to manage when I induce them through other means.

    I hope this gives you enough to be starting with. I know how difficult it is and how little GPs know and understand about this. I dived deep down the rabbit hole on this. I also can't guarantee that once you have handle on it you won't still have problems with it from time to time, but having a set of tools to tackle it with is very empowering.

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      Thanks a lot for sharing your experience! I can totally symphatize with how the body learns to react a certain way, whenever I exercize or even just climb up stairs and my heart beats faster, which is perfectly normal, but my body associates it with anxiety and makes me feel anxious.

      It's true that I eat a lot of sugar but when my insomnia started, I completely stopped and it didn't make any difference, only made me feel even more depressed because for me, chocolate is what always makes me feel better xD I can't drink alcohol, though, that definitely makes my anxiety worse but thankfully that's not a problem for me, I don¨t like it anyway and mostly only drank it when I was out with friends.

      Anyway, I've been to my psychiatrist meanwhile and she gave me new anxiolytic meds (Buspirone) and so far, my palpitations actually got a lot better! I've been sleeping well for past two weeks. I really hope this will last. They make me a little tired but since I was a little too hyper before, that's just what I needed.

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