Coimbra Protocol for SS

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Has anyone tried this ?? Does it work ? 1 of the things you have to remove from diet is calcium (as well as gluten,  etc) but as I have osteoporosis I am loathe to try it and you also have to  increase Vitamin D to 1,000 i.u per kg  of body weight (though he does this has to be done under medical supervision as its antagonistic to parathyroid hormone (PTH)

On the FB page the sufferers seem to be mainly MS but this protocol is for all auto immunes.    

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    Hi shaq,

    No, I haven't tried it, but I'd be equally worried by the low-calcium aspects of the diet - and I don't just mean osteoporosis. (Try googling hypocalcemia.) That being said, I guess the very high doses of vit D would compensate for this, as vit D guarantees maximum absorption of whatever calcium you do take in.

    As you say, you'd need to be under very strict medical supervision if you were going to try this diet. You'd also need to find a doctor who was prepared to work with you on it.

    I realise you're very sensible and would never go freelance on this one, but I'd strongly advise anyone else reading this, and who might tempted to try it, not to dabble unless they're under medical supervision. It's not just your bone density that's at stake, you're messing with your electrolytes too, which can cause nerve damage - something that most of us on here have quite enough of already!

    However, if you can find a doctor to take you through this, I'd be very interested to hear how you get on. 

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      Hi lily, could you explain how your are messing with your electrolytes by going on the Coimbra protocol? I am completely ignorant about electrolytes.
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      Hi sirenetta, try googling hypocalcaemia. The same goes for sharply reducing (or increasing) intake of any of the minerals used to make up our body fluids. Though as you rightly say in another post, vastly increasing vitamin D intake will of course maximise uptake of any calcium you do consume.

      The point I was making - as were you I believe - is that a do-it-yourself version of this kind of diet could be dangerous. It should only be done under strict supervision of a doctor specialised in the protocol.

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      thank you lily, I completely agree with you. I have come across people who think they can diy the Coimbra protocol, but it is very dangerous as it does need regular monitoring. In fact, even before the first consultation one is given a list of blood and urine tests, one of such tests is a dexa scan

      There are a number of facebook  groups from various parts of the world where people can find out more about this and I find that there people are very responsible and always advise to find a protocol doctor. The doctors have all been trained by Dr Coimbra in Brazil, these groups keep up to date and add newly trained doctors to their lists which they make available to newcomers. Coimbra trains the doctors for free, of course they have to get there and pay for their travel and accommodation. This protocol is not a cure, but it does get people into remission and gives them a good quality of life. It is claimed 95% success rates in this sense. 

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    Yes, I have not tried but I have come across people who have and reported good results. You do not remove calcium from diet. You remove dairy products and you are wrong again with gluten, you do not need to remove this. 

    The reason for removing dairy products and limiting consumption of foods very rich in calcium is because by taking such large doses of vitamin D will increase your calcium absorption and if you did not than you risk hypercalcemia and kidney failure. This would also lower PTH and mess it all up since the correct dose of vitamin D for each person is supposed to lower PTH and if you take too much calcium than you would not know what has lowered the PTH. The point is that calcium is everywhere when you are able to absorb it, even in water. In fact you need to switch to water which is low in calcium. There is a lot more to say about the Coimbra protocol. I would advise you to inform yourself better rather than giving out so many wrong information.

    I am looking into this and I am going to see a protocol doctor in a few weeks time. I know it is a serious step, but I am really not into chemo immunosuppressant meds at the moment.

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      I am sorry, I realise that I am sounding a little stroppy and it was not my intention. The main thing is that you have to be monitored with blood and urine tests. There is even an interview on youtube with doctor Coimbra (with subtitles) and, also in youtube, "Coimbra protocol explained" gives a very clear explanation of this with diagrams.

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    Hi Shaq, 

    I don't know anything about this diet other than what I read online -- but I think it is interesting that they recommend an egg vegetarian diet with fish -- fish, particularly the "low mercury" or "mercury-free" fish is high in calcium.  My naturopath has recommended that I eat sardines 1-2 times a week (which I have never liked, but I tolerate, and am actually growing to like -- knowing that it will help me).  Just a thought.

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      Thank you everyone for all your useful info. What dose of vit D3 is everyone on ? Did everyone have a blood to measure this and so is it regularly measured?  
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      Hi shaq,

      I take 50mcg/2,000 IU of vitamin D3 per day in supplement form, as well as eating oily fish a couple of times a week, 4-5 eggs per week, and moderate quantities of full-fat dairy most days. My vitamin D levels are monitored every six months, and even this dose only brings me up to minimum level. I'm still awaiting the results of my latest blood test, which was only done five days ago, but if my levels are still down this time I'll ask my doctor if I should up the dose.

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    For the past 3 months I have been taking 9000 iu a day as I need to raise my vitamin D levels. I have been having some trouble sleeping lately and so I am experimenting with things to see if there is anything that could be contributing to this. So I have gone down to 5000iu in the past 3 days and I have noticed that some symptoms that had slowly disappeared are resurfacing. It is interesting because I am at the very early stages and I had not realised that vitamin D had something to do with it, some of my symptoms come and go. Given the amount of vitamin D that I take I am also taking K2 and  magnesium.
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      Hi sirenetta,

      Yes, me too on K2 and Mg (I'm not allowed to mention the whole word on pain of having my post taken down!) since I've been in osteopaenia ever since the menopause nearly 30 years ago. I've so far managed to avoid dropping down into full-on osteoporosis, and am now awaiting the results of my two-yearly DEXA scan that was done two days ago.

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      I did not know that we cannot mention things like Mg. I hope they do not take down my post. It is good news that you have avoided osteoporosis for so long.
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      You can mention it - I can't! Moderation rules sometimes very from one poster to another. I got a little over-enthusiastic over it on one of their blood pressure sites and was marked down as "campaigning".

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