Diet and long term success
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Who has had long term success from a diet that is intended for those who have gout?
As by searching Google, is mostly the same info and has not changed in years. Yet gout and other disease are rising!!!
A Diet of:
Low purine foods
Low meat
Avoid meats such as liver, kidney
Low fat
High whole grains
Some sea foods
Alcohol and fizzy drinks we know to avoid and drink more water with lemon, cider vinegar, ginger tea etc......
Well for me I don't belive all of it and tend to eat what I know is healthy. i.e, no foods that are highly processed. As they are full of poor quality produce. And cook all my own meals. I do know you need to be strict, not a diet but a compleate lifestyle change.
A lot of our monden food have been grown for profit, longe shelf life and not for health.
I eat full fat - good fats 65% of my diet comes from fat, they are essential. (Ghee, butter, meat all from grass fed animals, coconut oil, olive oil and avocardos) I am not over weight and been the same weight for many years, only whan I was in my late 20.s I was 2 stone over, as i use to drink and eat crap. It took me a change of enviroment to work it all out. research, read book and talk with like minded people.
Vitamin C is also very inportant. not just for those suffering from gout
Wheat is someing I don't eat, its now almost in every processed foods. (Cereals, cereal snack bars, bread, crisp-bread, muffin’s, pizza, noodles, pies, biscuits, savory snack foods, crackers, pasta, packaged soups)
Not only need my gout go away, my gums stoped bleeding
Before I started - I did a Juice detox and made bone broth and soups, as I had years of drinking and poor diet.
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Sochima822 Guest
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May I ask how old please? You've had some strange symptoms that I don't believe are related to gout, like gums bleeding for one. Headaches/migraines are sometimes caused by problems with your teeth or gums. I can't remember the other issues you had, except for the arthritis pins & needle sensations, that could be related to gout. I worked in the medical field for years such that I continue to study and read medical journals on the subbject of different diseases and many of the ailments you put in your last post are not related to gout.
As for this post, I eat almost every food that is supposedly high in purine, except for unprocessed wheat products, like cereals, wheat bread, herring and eating processed junk food which I quit doing and have abated getting gout for about 15 years. I can eat pasta and bread because they take out the main parts that causes me to get gout. Detoxes are good, I usually do a vegetable juice detox.
rustygecko Guest
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However, the vast majority of uric acid is made by the body recycling its own cells. There is a limit to how much the diet can influence gout. Also the uric acid crystals stored in tissues need to be flushed out.
What is your uric acid blood test result?
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rustygecko Guest
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Gout can be induced by kidney disease or liver disease. Certain drugs will cause it and so will long term not drinking enough water.
.....but for most it's genetic predisposition. For some, life-style may bring it on earlier perhaps.
Guest rustygecko
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So we will all have differant treatment for the course and not the symptom?
rustygecko Guest
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If you are on a drug causing gout they'll try to find an alternative (or tell you to drink more water). In fact, anyone with gout - the best advice is drink more water.
If you have kidney disease or liver issues they'll deal with that.
If your gout is induced by excess of beer, they'll suggest a lifestyle change.
However for the majority, if the attacks keep happening the doctor (and definately a specialist), will probably suggest allopurinol.
What you need to understand is gout is an expression of an underlying problem - either excess Uric acid being made or not enough being removed by the kidneys. The problem is not just the gout; but the untreated high blood Uric acid leads to micro crystals in the joints (gout) and slow long term damage to other organs caused by low-level inflammation. Therefore high blood Utica acid is not something to be ignored or just taking the drug to get rid of the flare up. Most general practitioners do not appreciate this. Specialists do, but most gout patients will never go beyond the GP.
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Guest Guest
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There is a lot of missunderstanding when it comes to gout. It is impossible for a bad diet to cause gout, but a the wrong diet will effect someone who has gout. 90% of people who get gout get it as a result of genetics. That's to say if your father had gout, and you eat a bad diet, you are more likely to get the desease. As far as the diet goes, you should experiment, and don't presume that everything on the very long list is out of bounds. For example, I can drink cider and wine, if I drink beer my foot flares up. After reading an in depth report on gout, this is not unusual. As it happens I am a life long vegi, so diet isn't to much of an issue. If I have one tip for you, it's don't let gout rule your life, you control gout
rustygecko Guest
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You are right in that a bad diet doesn't cause gout in itself; but a bad diet will contribute to fatty liver and mild kidney impairment which may cause gout.
However there is one thing with which I disagree with you. You are saying that a couple of beers will give you a flare up. This is a symptom of your whole body being overloaded with uric acid. If you had it under control it would take a huge amount of purine to build up enough to cause a gout attack. Any gout symptoms are caused by uncontrolled hyperuricema. Hyperuricema kills, slowly and incideously but it will give its victims a host of different organ diseases. Hyperuricema must be controlled.
Guest rustygecko
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My uric acid level was quite low even before I was put on Allupirinol. I believe we all different, and what may bother one person, will not bother another. Of course, there are obvious similarities. All I can say is that I don't have any adverse effects when I drink cider or wine, but after 3 pints of bitter my foot itches and goes red. To be fair, it doesn't have a full flare up.
rustygecko Guest
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What level of uric acid was "quite low"? What level of allopurinol were you on at the beginning and for how long? What level of allopurinol are you on now? What is your uric acid level now?
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rustygecko Guest
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You are correct. It is not high. However if just a small change in diet can cause symptoms, there's something off somewhere as crystals don't form until 6.7 (and 6 if the foot gets quiete cold).
Sochima822 rustygecko
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rustygecko Sochima822
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The uric acid comes out of solution at 37 degrees at 6.9 (it might be 6.7 I forget), but at 35 degrees it precipitates out at 6.0, hence why the "normal" max is 5.9.
The podega (big toe) is the point of minimum temperature - it is furthest from the core trunk of the body, and is likely to stick out from bed clothes, hence most likely to hit 35 degrees. This is the reason it is the joint where 90% plus get their first gout attack (and many never get it anywhere else) in the toe, and why most attack come out at night.
rustygecko Guest
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There seems to be evidence of previous damage to big toes being the focal point of attacks, However, I reckon that most men who played sport when young can recall, if pushed, a time when they damaged their big toe (unless you only played tiddlywinks and chess).
Sochima822 rustygecko
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Interesting, I must be that 1% that first gets it between my 3rd & 4th metatarsal, after it heals then I get it on my sesamoid joint. I think mine is triggered after eating foods high in purines made mostly of wheat, since I've never had an attack at night. I've even timed it, twice, it takes 24 hrs + or - 2 hours for me to get an onset.