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I've suffered for over 20 years with a dizzy head.. I've had tests years ago but all came back clear . I work in construction and sometimes on scaffolding and high ladders which is un nerving at the best of times
Any ideas
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gillian76726 martin_83187
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Probably need to do some balancing excercises. I've had it 8 years now, and all the vestibular therapy I got via NHS didnt work! Also Tai Chi is great for getting balance sorted!
rocksolid martin_83187
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Look up SCM muscle issues. It's a muscle in your neck.
martin21125 rocksolid
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You may be right there ..come to think of it I've got problems with my neck through years of painting ceilings.. I'll look into this now...Thanks..ill keep you posted
rocksolid martin_83187
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Sternocleidomastoid Symptoms & Disorders
The SCM trigger points are unique in that they can produce a copious amount of symptoms that appear to have nothing to do with the musculoskeletal system. Listed below are some of symptoms and disorders that can be produced by these trigger points:
Tension Headache: A common, but debilitating, headache that is typically attributed to perceived muscle tension in the neck and cranial muscles. The duration of these headaches can vary from 30 minutes to several days, and may occur daily in chronic cases.
Migraine Headache: The SCM trigger points can produce many of the symptoms associated with non-aura migraine headaches, such as visual disturbances, muscle tenderness, and unilateral (one-sided) headache pain.
Hangover Headache: The dehydration caused by excessive alcohol intake can activate trigger points in the SCM and trapezius muscles and produce the dreaded “hangover” headache.
Atypical Facial Neuralgia: Pain in the cheek, jaw, and temple regions.
Sore throat and Pain on Swallowing: The middle trigger point in the sternal division can produce pain at the base of the tongue that makes it difficult and/or painful to swallow.
Visual Disturbances: Trigger points in the sternal division commonly produce blurred vision, double vision, and a dimming of perceived light intensity.
Eye Problems such as a drooping eye-lid (ptosis), excessive eye tearing and/or reddening of one or both eyes.
Forehead Sweating: sweating on one side of the forehead, above the eye.
Dizziness & Vertigo: Dizziness when moving the head, such as lifting it to turn over in bed, or when tilting it backward to look at something above. Seasickness or car sickness are typically a problem, and quick movements of the head may cause fainting and/or nausea.
Hearing Impairment: Trigger points in the clavicular division may cause moderate deafness or “ringing” in one ear.
Sore Neck: While the SCM trigger points don’t refer pain to the neck, clients with these trigger points will often rub their necks to alleviate soreness in the region.
Upper Chest Pain: The lower trigger point in the sternal division may refer pain to the upper chest bone region.
What Causes Sternocleidomastoid Trigger Points?
In my clinical experience, trigger points in the SCM muscles are frequently caused by trigger point activity in the trapezius muscle, particularly if the trapezius trigger points are left untreated for an extended period. Both muscle groups can be overloaded by similar physical and behavioral stressors, which include:
Whiplash from a car accident can put extraordinary stress on the SCM muscles as they contract to control the violent backward movement of the head.
Working Overhead: Activities that require one to look upwardly for long periods of time, such as painting a ceiling, can overstretch the SCM muscles.
Forward-Head Posture: The all-too-common forward-head, slumped-shoulder postural distortion keeps the SCM muscles in an unnaturally shortened position, making them prone to developing trigger points.
Sleeping Position: Sleeping with the head flexed forward because the pillow is to big (or using two pillows), or with the head turned, can put strain on these muscles.
Chronic Cough: The SCM can be overloaded by repeatedly lifting the chest and ribcage during inhalation while coughing.
Tight Collar: Physical pressure from a tight neck-tie or collar may irritate SCM trigger points.
Limping: Limping on one leg for extended periods may overload the SCM as it tries to compensate for a leaning trunk and keep the eyes level.
rocksolid martin_83187
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Terry6872737 martin_83187
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I've been doing dry needling to address what Rocksolid mentions and it has provided some help. Another poster on here, Henry Roth, is doing stem cell injections to help to try to correct an issue with his neck. I believe that this is the issue, or a contributing factor, for a lot of us. The neck muscles send sensations to the brain when they are faulty telling the balance system that something is wrong when they are strained or weak or, when something is wrong in the cervical area.
Certainly worth looking into.
gillian76726 Terry6872737
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Terry6872737 gillian76726
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Hi Gillian!
Dry needling is a technique physical therapists use to treat myofascial pain. The technique uses a “dry” needle, one without medication or injection, inserted through the skin into areas of the muscle, known as trigger points.
Other terms commonly used to describe dry needling, include trigger point dry needling, and intramuscular manual therapy.
Dry needling is not acupuncture, a practice based on traditional Chinese medicine and performed by acupuncturists. Dry needling is a part of modern Western medicine principles, and supported by research.
I've been doing it for about 2 months. Made a huge difference for me. I've had a shoulder problem for years where I couldn't always lift my arm without feeling what I call a catch point and it has corrected it as well. I have referred several friends to the guy that I use and he has made a huge difference for them as well with things such as back aches, plantars faciatis, bunion inflamation, knee issues, and of course neck issues.
I wasn't a believer until he needled my shoulder and it immediately released.
I highly recommend it if you can find a physical therapist that offers it.
gillian76726 Terry6872737
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Wow that sounds wonderful! I have been going, once a month, for Bowen therapy, and although nice, hasnt got long lasting effects. I have extremely (In capital,letters!) 'hard' muscles problem in my shoulders that affect my neck etc. So much so when i lift my arms for eg, to hang washing on line or lift up to above shoulder height for anything at all it actually makes my dizziness worse and even breathing.have you had that too?
Admittedly my neck has degeneration, due to arthritic stuff, but am sure if shoulders were,looser and ' normal' it would be less affected.
what is the duration of relief time for you? Tx
Terry6872737 gillian76726
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At first I went twice a week for around 2 months. Right now I go in on an as needed basis. The shoulder was needled twice over a month ago and I have had NO recurrence of issues. It still gets sore sometimes but I find relief with just a Tylenol if that happens. I really need, and he has mentioned, to incorporate mayofacial massage therapy into it as well. I think that the results would be longer with that. Once he gets the muscles fully released there is then a need to strengthen them to keep the same thing from coming back. Long term I will probably need needling every 6 months or so for maintenance. It's made a difference in trying to get rid of the last 5% to 10% residual issues that I had from suffering the initial VN bout.
gillian76726 Terry6872737
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Sounds great. If i could eventually get to every 6 months i'd be thrilled! Just realised you're in Statea, sorry forgot as we've 'talked' before eh? Re the Collagen i just wrote about, i think it's made in US, so better for you Re ordering price wise i'd,think,
rocksolid Terry6872737
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I need to get the dry needling done. Here in NY only an Acupuncturist can do it. My Osteopath doctor also does acupuncture but does not really do needling. I had him put a needle in my muscle and he said that the muscle seemed better but I am still spaced out. I seem to get more spaced out after eating, don't know why.
Terry6872737 rocksolid
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rocksolid Terry6872737
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Terry6872737 rocksolid
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I began with what was diagnosed as VN in March of 2014. I was extremely sick for probably 7 months and then things started to improve where I could notice the improvements. I recovered gradually to a point that I considered myself 90% to 95% recovered after 8 to 10 months. I have had lingering symptoms where I would feel spacey in large stores on occasion and some days where I would feel like I was drunk. I also have a lingering sensation where I can feel off balance at times and like my head is not really steady, if all this makes sense (kind of like you may have had several drinks). I also had ongoing issues with neck/shoulder pain. On a good day, since I started the needling, I feel maybe in the high 90% range (97% to 98%). Barometric pressures now bother me more and I have developed quite an intolerance to most medicine side effects. Anything that says dizziness as a side effect will make me dizzy and I try to stay away from those.
There was another lady that posted on here some time back that she was doing wet needling in Virginia and that the ENT doing them for her had also suffered from VN. She indicated that she was going to get some information from him to recommend someone in the New York area for you. Did she ever do that for you? It should work the same way. Only difference is that it is injected with lidocaine into the trigger points whereas my PT just uses a needle. My neck doesn't hurt anymore and I believe that the muscle issue I have/had was disrupting some of the brain sensors causing some of the head sensations.
rocksolid Terry6872737
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Thanks Terry. The person you are referring to has not contacted me. I know what you mean when you say drunk because that is how I describe the way I feel to people. Still looking for a dry needle person here for me. I gotta get this fixed. Tried of everybody looking 2 dimensional to me instead of how it should be. People don't seem as real as they should.
Terry6872737 rocksolid
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martin21125 rocksolid
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Hi everyone..thanks all for your advice and comments.. I've got plenty to go on which I will definitely follow up
Cheers all