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Do you believe in Dystopic or Totalitarian future regimes?

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SteV3
SteV3

Okay, I may have a different approach to religion than most and why I kept my own views suppressed to an extent, but what are peoples view on this subject? Perhaps, many of you have never even thought about what the current time and future holds, but I find it very interesting.

If we go back to George Orwell in 1984 and his idea of a Dystopic society which many people attracted to this subject are now convinced exists. Many movies in the past 30 years, are really attracting people to these kind of movies.

Have you ever thought about what we are heading for, taking in to consideration not just global changes in weather, but the wars, or perhaps even when will this ever end? Do you believe in the media informing us about everything that is going on, or are they portraying only one side, so you do not see the real truth? Does dictatorship come in to mind?

Perhaps you already have realized that we are all living in a Dystopic society, which from my perspective we already are, and it is not far from making a world where all people will believe in a ‘dystopia’ where we have society predominantly controlled by fear and control (typical examples would be current modern politics, press freedom, cover-ups on huge scales and corruption, is just a few to start with).

There is the problem where a mutated mirror image of a ‘utopian’ society which would bring the basis for that vital twist that would make a caring machine a killer one, a protective regime an oppressive one and an eternal peace an eternal war.

What are your thoughts on dystopia? Do you believe it has already happened, or about to? I would be interested in your views. It is a subject that is often overlooked or confused, with other matters.

Before replying to this message, think about everything you use and do during a day, you'll be surprised by just how much of "dystopia" you are already using, day in, and day out.

Regards,

Les.

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  • frustrated61
    frustrated61 SteV3

    Posted

    Hi Les ~

    It's take me a while to answer this as it's a very deep subject that needed much concentration to which I had none until now.  I'm feeling almost 100% better.

    I'm leaning towards all Democracy as this gives everyone the same rights. 

    Totalitarians will suffice but only w/i themselves and those who want their way followed.  Dystopic is and would be a horrible mistake as we'd all be ruled by one such as under communism, no thank you.

    Both Orwell and Huxley and the Brave New World are ruled by authoritarian elites of a basically socialist/communist nature, whose only real purpose is the maintenance of their own power and privileges. Both worlds are materialist to the core and religion has been effectively excised from the consciousness of the populace.

    Furthermore, in both dystopias the family has virtually ceased to exist. A remnant of it survives in Orwell’s world, though even here the true loyalty of children (and spouses) is to the state. In Huxley’s Brave New World however the family does not exist at all, and children are conceived in hatcheries and raised in factory-farm conditions. Indeed, in Huxley’s dystopia science has been utilized by the elite to facilitate its control, and special types of humans, ranging from intelligent alphas to epsilon “semi-morons” are bred in test-tubes to perform specific functions.

    Marriage does not exist and promiscuous and even perverted sexual activity is encouraged by the state.

    Both the differences and the parallels between the two visions are of great interest. Orwell’s nightmare future is based squarely on the reality of Stalin’s brutal regime in the Soviet Union, and tends thus to look backward rather than forward. He does not, for example, on the whole, foresee the importance of technology in the repertoire of the future dictatorship, though his “telescreens,” by which Big Brother keeps an eye on everyone, is rightly viewed as stunningly prophetic of our age of massive electronic surveillance.

    And on and on and on. Good topic and really gives one reason to search deep inside to see what would work for their lifestyle.  I'd rather be free than live in a world of uncertainty.

    Warmly,

    Frustrated

    • georgeGG
      georgeGG frustrated61

      Posted

      Super analsyis, thank you. How does the EU look from over the pond?
    • SteV3
      SteV3 frustrated61

      Posted

      Hi frustrated,

      Thank you for your detailed input.

      @George, that is one big pond…lol  One thing I will say is both you and frustrated have made me look at American culture in a different way. That is on the books for the future, how our cultures differ so greatly.

      Okay, back to frustrated (not literally, lol – metaphorically speaking! Hehe).

      It is good that we can have a chuckle on here and express differences and feeling on various subjects.

      In an ideal world it probably would be better under democracy, but I think going by our current history this is not going to happen. If we go back to the latest sci-fi movies, we see what our future is probably going to be like, because most of them are based on dictatorship. Even now we get a vote, but seriously what does it do? Nothing, really – regardless of which party wins in the UK, they abide by EU laws.

      We should have our own laws not laws made from Europe, they may suit the EU but not the UK, and immigrants can basically go out and murder someone and get a few years in prison. Someone made a comment the other day in one newspaper, and said to live in the UK under David Cameron’s Party, you may as well commit an offence get a jail sentence and have satellite TV, heating and get 3 meals a day all for FREE.

      What really makes peoples blood boil is when you see articles like the following:

      Pay disabled £2 an hour, Lord Freud suggests

      Welfare reform minister Lord Freud told a Conservative fringe conference on 30 September that some disabled people are ‘not worth the full [minimum] wage’ and that he would think about a way that they could ‘work for £2 an hour’ if they want to.

      I think the minimum wage for workers in the UK is around £8.00 an hour! The sooner Cameron is thrown out of the House of Commons the better, he is totally out of touch with people in this country, nobody likes him and only about 20% of party actually back him. And he’s hoping to get back in as Prime Minister when he has already stated that he will be taxing Disability Living Allowances. Personally, I would like him to swap places and see how he copes with life when you are disabled. It is not easy, I know how I live life, the stupid thing is I can fall sleep while typing, or using the mouse and wake up, thinking dam not again. The stupid part is my arm is still moving the mouse when I’m sleeping.

      Regards,

      Les.

    • georgeGG
      georgeGG SteV3

      Posted

      Great Les. Good points on the EU (no democracy at the level of the ruling elite) , the crass handling of ensuring plenty of work oportunities for disabled, the poor showing of government derived from the democratic system.
    • frustrated61
      frustrated61 SteV3

      Posted

      Les ~

      Just to touch base regarding the people committing a crime just to go to prison and have 3 square meals (?), TV and the warmth of a bed.  Many commit these crimes and are let out and cannot make it on the outside so they commit the crime again and get life in prison.  This makes me think that the system of "rehabilitating" does not and never did exist.

      This is a prime example, to me, how a Dystopic world exists and works.  Again, no thank you smile

      Frustrated

    • frustrated61
      frustrated61 georgeGG

      Posted

      Full Democracy can work.  Prime example is the US.  Yes, some believe one way and other's another way but that's just it, we can believe anyway we want.  We vote for those who basically believe how we believe and sometimes fail and get the other side to lead the country.  The Senate is set up with both Republicans and Democratics thus creating the "perfect world" of both therefore it's not onesided when a President is elected...ie: Democracy.

      Just sayin'

      Frustrated

  • georgeGG
    georgeGG SteV3

    Posted

    I see dystopic and totalitarian regimes as much one and the same. The Romans tried oligarchy with emergency and tmporary descent to dictator, dictatorship by three and by two. In the end it became a messy and violent dictarorship by one. Under the Treaty of Rome (what a coincidence!) the EU is ruled by an olgarchy with an EU Parliament doing much the same work that the Roman Senate did.

    Is this parallel a reasonable analysis? What do you think? Where does the EU go from here. Is history any sort of guide or is the EU a genuinely new political experiment well worth of the Nobel Peace Prize as an ageny for preventing European war?.

    • frustrated61
      frustrated61 georgeGG

      Posted

      I'd think of Dystopic being a nation led by Hilter/Nazis.  Totalitarian as allowing the better for the nation and world-wide fighting against such issues as:total representation of the nation and total guidance of national goals which is close to Democracy.

      This is how I'm thinking, I could be wrong as I am from another planet razz  "ohh no she dinnit" lolol

      Frustrated

    • frustrated61
      frustrated61

      Posted

      wowzer...I forgot to put in the "issues"  blah blah blah...let me add this:   totalitarian doesn't tolerate much outside of centralized government that does not tolerate parties of differing opinion and that exercises dictatorial control over many aspects of life.  Still not dystopic but closer to Democratic beliefs.

      Hope I made some sense!

      Frustrated

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