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Does anyone find the new drinking guidelines laughable?

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RHGB
RHGB

In our village, it is recycling collection day this week on Friday. We have to separate, carboard, papers, plastics, cans and glass bottles into different containers. The cans & bottle containers were moulded plastic with lids.

Over the years, all the lids have been lost, broken (council never replaces them) or they will not fit on with the pyramid of contents.

The amount of beer cans and beer/wine bottles I see in these containers as I walk around to the village shop (before the collection has been), would mean just about every household in the village is occupied by alkies.

I just don't know what real world the people that set these limits live in. A decent pint of lager these days is at least 2.5 units. Therefore having six pints on a Friday, not only puts you over you weekly limit, but means no other drinking whatsoever for the rest of the week. It's not realistic.

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  • PaulJTurner1964
    PaulJTurner1964 RHGB

    Posted

    When treating people, we don't consider anybody drinking above those limits as having a problem. Of course it is good to stay within those limits but it takes way more than those amounts to be considered to have a real alcohol problem.
    • RHGB
      RHGB PaulJTurner1964

      Posted

      I'm just thinking, six pints on a Friday, Saturday night and a couple Sunday lunch time, before lunch, then keeping off of it Mon, Tues, Weds & Thurs.

      Judging by the recycling, people are certainly doing that and there's plenty of wine bottles.

    • ADEfree
      ADEfree RHGB

      Posted

      Look, they had to do something, RHGB. The politcians were running out...
  • Robin2015
    Robin2015 RHGB

    Posted

    INdeed laughable and taking a breaking during the week IS a good idea but it would still be over the limit for most households. AND we need the tax receipts since it is no good for the Government if everybody stopped drinking like myself and many others on the forum. Diesel would be taxed higher for certain and while I am at it: we also need the smokers for tax revenue but their cigarettes are being hidden behind doors and cabinets in hte supermartkets?? ARE they shameful? I have never smoked but some do and while make them look that bad?? yes, careful among young people and children IS a good idea but to go to such length to hide them?? Robin
    • RHGB
      RHGB Robin2015

      Posted

      Well, if it is tax revenue we need then, Google, Starbucks, Amazon, Facebook et all, could start paying some based on their turnover not their profit.
    • PaulJTurner1964
      PaulJTurner1964 Robin2015

      Posted

      Well, the government clearly does not understand alcohol problems at all or they would have effective treatment methods available on the NHS. It is very difficult to get a detox on the NHS and they have no clue that The Sinclair Method even exists.

       

    • Robin2015
      Robin2015 PaulJTurner1964

      Posted

      pityful that nobody knows about the Sinclair Method which you obviously know so much about and actually also having success!! Good luck to you Paul! Robin
    • PaulJTurner1964
      PaulJTurner1964 Robin2015

      Posted

      Thanks Robin smile If you search on You Tube for 'paul turner alcohol' you'll find a video I made the other day with me talking about TSM
    • RHGB
      RHGB PaulJTurner1964

      Posted

      Watched the video. I don't whether I read it here or somewhere else, I think it was somewhere else. You used cancer as an example, and they wouldn't treat cancer patients like they do people with alcohol problems. This person used diabetes, which was a great example, especially if you think type II, which is generally brought on by lifestyle (as opposed to being born with type I).

      And the doctor refusing insulin and saying regulate your sugar intake by diet. The difference being, cancer in general, is not brought on by lifestyle, but diabetes II is and therefore we help one section of society and not the other.

      BTW, what are the fundamental deifferences between Nalfemene and Naltrexone? People seem (in general) to have less of a reaction to Naltrexone. But Nalfemene seems the better option for end stage liver disease, because it doesn't have to be metabolised by the liver.

    • PaulJTurner1964
      PaulJTurner1964 RHGB

      Posted

      It's for that reason I used Cancer, because there is no blame ever associated (even though there are certain things people can do to increase their risk).

      The purpose of that comparison was to use a disease which provokes overwhelming sympathy and compare with people's reaction to one which is reacted to with blame and accusation.

      Well, Nalmefene is metabolised by the liver but in a different way to how Naltrexone is. It is true that a lot of people find the side effects of Nalmefene worse. Also, you need to leave 1.5 to 2 hours after taking Nalmefene before you drink and it is only 1 hour with Naltrexone.

      People taking Nalmefene need to get Liver Function Tests (LFTs) done before starting (as we can't advise a person with a severely damaged liver that it is ok to drink at all) but then don't need further tests routinely. If they take Naltrexone, we need frequent LFTs done because it is possible that Naltrexone can have an effect on their liver.

      However, neither Nalmefene or Naltrexone are anywhere as near bad for the liver as large amounts of alcohol.

    • ADEfree
      ADEfree PaulJTurner1964

      Posted

      Paul , what seems to be the best way of getting the word out to the medical community in the UK?
    • PaulJTurner1964
      PaulJTurner1964 ADEfree

      Posted

      I wish I knew! It's about changing attitudes and getting clinicians to update themselves. Unfortunately, even many alcohol treatment specialists are years behind the times which is scandalous really.

      The C3 Foundation put an interesting link on their Facebook page today about helping clinicians to better understand addiction. I will paste it here below but I am pointing you in the direction of where you can find it because my post with a link in it will have to be approved by the moderator before it appears here.

    • IChooseLife
      IChooseLife PaulJTurner1964

      Posted

      I, too, just watched the video on You Tube. Thank you, Paul - your kind, patient and sympathetic nature is exactly what is needed. I found this very useful, and will definitely recommend it to others who will benefit from it, I am sure. I think your patients are very lucky to have you as a counsellor. Good luck with everything.
    • Misssy2
      Misssy2 PaulJTurner1964

      Posted

      Awe..that will be cool to see you actually talking!

      Um...I have no clue what you guys are talking about. 

      SO...the Government is monitoring how much people are drinking by the recycle bin?  So they are dictacting how much they will recycle?  To limit the waste at the waste land? 

      I hope I remember your name tommorow...because I AM SO TIRED TODAY...I did WAY too much....I can barely type this...after my long post on Mouthwash!

       

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