DVT and Post Thrombotic Syndrome, do you have symptoms and don't know what to do next?

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My son had a large DVT in his left leg and was told to take Warfarin and wear compression stocking but nothing else could be done. We have learnt through Thrombosis UK charity  that there is treatment available at St Thomas' Hospital in London. My son has had several visits for tests and now is going to have minor surgery to stent his blocked and scarred veins to improve his blood flow and aleviate swelling. Good news for a change. Ask me any questions about the process if this affects you

 

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    I could not have put it better Sheila; such clear advice and exactly the case we found. Not enough people are able to clear the clot. we saw a very eminent vascular surgeon in Kings. Although kind and helpful, it was not a procedure he undertook regularly. In our case it was probably too late but the prognosis is so much better if  a clot can be cleared safely.

    And reading all the feedback it is such a shock to have your liofe turned upside down by having one and its not as rare in young people as is perceived. For young, fit teenagers and those in their twenties to be affected by PTS potentially for the rest of their lives is such a shame. Good luck on Monday!

    Karin

     

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      Hi Karin, thanks for your reply. It certainly helps to share.

      Mr Black is so aware that to have such a life affecting condition at such a young age is so damaging in every way, especially as the condition becomes worse over time. He mentioned that one of the reasons they had got the go ahead for research is that the operation is long lasting and improves the health over such a long period at great savings to the NHS. 

      When the junior doctor who had no empathy or people skills at all, told my son that he would struggle with mobility and pain etc in the future and that there was nothing to be done about it, I really didn't believe it. I'm so glad I didn't give up as my son had a lot to deal with anyway after his operation and I was grateful to have something to hang onto once I started researching.

      I have had a mild disagreement with the Thrombosis charity, previously Lifeblood, who said they didn't tell  people about stenting etc at St  Thomas' as it wasn't appropriate for everybody. At least if we get advice on a place where research is going on then at the very least up to date advice about the conditions can be

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    I had a similar discussion. I suppose the issue is always how much is it up to St Thomas to manage and publicise what they do as there seem to be so many who could potentially benefit. We are not expecting miracles when we get assessed on Tuesday just the chance to find out if things could get a bit better.

    I am sure that in a few years time clot thromolysis will be the gold standard treatment and PTS hopefully less of a problem. At present though we had the same very gloomy forecast from the doctor in France who treated my daughter and the first specialist in England am just glad we got a lucky break through a letter I sent via a family contact in the U.S. who via somebody else in Galway put us in touch with Mr Black!

    We went to the Lifeblood conference in Lonfon during which many issues were discussed. After some of the very sad stories we heard there I still consider my daughter to be one of the lucky ones despite the massive extent of the clot she had and the PTS symptoms she has now. She was on a travelling gap year and mikes from any hospitals for much of the time when her clot remained undiagnosed!!

    Will keep posting and maybe even bump into you . Good luck again.

    Kx

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      Hi Karin, I agree it probably is a matter of time and in the future things will change and referrals and info and procedures will be known about and shared. Frustrating to be in the lead up to that though. Mr Black said at last visit that even London Hospitals nearby are not sending them PTS patients who they know to be suitable as its a case of "this is my patient".

      I can understand Mr B wanting to operate in this initial phase on good candidates as he wants good results so that the funding will continue and it will be nolonger experimental. It would be logical to publise the procedure to other hospitals so that they can refer the more appropriate ones on.

      The NICE guidelines for thrombolysis are dated 2012 so there must be some known hospitals performing it.  Have said it before there should be a directory to get to know the "gold standard" hospitals for different specialties. We live a few miles from Papworth Hospital where lung and heart ops including transplants are a daily occurence, at some point this would have needed to be publicised so patients went there instead of your general hosp.

      Would have liked to have gone to recent conference but will watch when available on Youtube. I rewatched last years World Thrombosis Day on Youtube as now a year later with so much having gone on since finding the good Guys it seemed more personal and positive. It was scary hearing some of the more difficult stories though, makes you feel lucky as you said.

      Will let you know how things go on Monday. I can pm you my mob for Tues, could be a busy day though.

      Sheila

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    Dear Sheila and Karin,

    Wishing the best for your son and daughter respectively over the coming days.  Really hope everything goes well. Best wishes

    nadine

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      Hi Ladies, thanks so much for the thoughts. Just heard that he was due to be 4th down and they were over running and they've just sent him home. He is frustrated and a bit bored and a lot hungry but he understands. So they will probably get him back next week and have him in first. Darn ! I was the one fretting a bit!. So I won't be down tomorrow to collect him.

      Huge good luck for tomorrow Karin, will be thinking of you and fingers crossed for your daughter.

      Sheila

       

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      What a stressful day for you both, at least he will get it over with rapidly next week. It's been a long haul! Thanks for keeping us updated Sheila.

      Best

      Nadine

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    Hi Sheila and Nadine 

    Sorry to hear about the disappointing outcome for your son; it must be very frustrating for him. Have just come back from our London trip. My daughter is to be scanned and then considered for stent treatment depending on the findings. As it has only been six months since her DVT, we have been told that good progress has been made due to the diligent way she has continued to try to exercise and play sport (depsite horrible pain and swelling). It seems that this is definately the way to go if you can manage it!

    Good luck with the procedure next week and thank you Nadine for your kind thoughts posted here.

    Karin 

    Karin 

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      Hi Karin, glad things are going to plan, will keep fingers crossed that she is suitable for stenting. We were in your position 11 1/2 months ago and definitely things continue to improve through exercise and wearing the stocking. He has swelling now but much less and pain and discolouration much reduced so keep up the good work.

      It does you good to be under the right care though doesn't it?

      Sheila

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      Hi Guys, stenting op went well today. He has been seen by Mr B and told things look good. He has already been walking about and feels ok especially after a meal. Scan tomorrow and coming home as long as all is still ok. Will take a little while to see what the results will show. One small scar by the knee and back ache otherwise admiring the view of the Thames. wink Sheila.
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    Hi Sheila

    Great to hear your news! Hope all goes well for him over the next few days and weeks and keep us posted. We awaiting news of the scans etc which are the next steps for us. 

    Will keep in touch

    Karin x

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      Fantastic news Sheila I was thinking about how it must all be happening for you this week. Really great he is up and about, and you can be sure they'll monitor the stents for any problems.  He must be so relieved.  Karin  the scans will hopefully be done soon, I had my first consultation mid August and scans were all done within 6 weeks and I'm expecting the surgery sometime in feb.  Hopefully all of us will get through this and be able to feel safe and pain free.  Sheila all the best for your son's recovery and hope he can get back to his sports soon. 

      Best wishes

      nadine

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      Hi Both, Back home yesterday, all looking absolutely fine, one tiny scar. Back ache lasted only a day. Scan on day one was great so sent home with anti coagulants and back for second scan in two weeks. Staff etc excellent, Mr B incredibly hard working and respected. 32 cms of stent in 3 places!! Wow. Even if it only makes 80% difference it will be worth doing. He can start the gym as soon as he wants except for the cycle as will do damage to groin stent.

      Feel so relieved and fingers crossed for a long lasting change and improvement. No more clots!!

      Best of luck for both of you. Will keep you informed and would love to hear your news.

      Good luck, Sheila

       

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      Hi All, Just to up date you about Rob post stenting. He developed a pain in his leg a few days after op. Went up to London and had a scan and they found a clot forming on the margin of the stent. He had a small op, venoplasty, to remove  the clot through a vein. He is fine again and as long as nothing else wrong goes for next scan at end of month. He has an extra pill to take daily which hopefully should reduce the likelihood of platelets sticking together. Belt and braces as has blood thinning injection too. Will go on to Warfarin soon.

      Going away for a few days soon, prob not in touch until next year! Stay safe! Fingers still crossed.

      Sheila.

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    Hi Sheila

    I was wondering how your son is doing now? I have post thrombotic syndrome after a DVT 6 months ago when I was 30 weeks pregnant. Interestingly, a couple of years ago my husband had a j-pouch after a sub-total colectomy for ulcerative colitis - so I really feel for you son having to go through both a j-pouch and a DVT/PTS at the same time.

    I watched Mr Black on YouTube as you suggested in another post and I think he puts forward a realistic and credible argument for stenting. I will look into trying to see him this year.

    It was very helpful to find your post. I wish you both a happy new year, and a better new year than the one you have both been through. The effort you are putting in to try to help your son is fantastic.

    Please keep me posted

    Amy

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      Hi Amy, just got back from a bit of winter sun and catching up with notifications. Glad to help with info on PTS. Rob has had 2 visits to G&St T to follow up on his op and the small clot which started on the margin of the stent. They are happy they have removed it and have scanned again and he is on anti coagulents and platelet med too and ready to go on Warfarin in 2 days. He is happy that things are developing well, it will take a while to see how much difference it makes but feeling optimistic. The treatment is not just for the symptoms of PTS but also the long term health of his circulation.

       Mr B will explain it all very well and it is obvious that the treatment is designed for each patient as the problems are so variable and the positioning of the stents is important. We felt very lucky to have this treatment available now.

      You may have read about my son's UC problems which came out of the blue and resulted in 2 bowel perforations and emergency ileostomy. That is all behind us now and his j pouch is very successful, as I'm sure your husband's is. Rob's DVT & PTS is as a direct result of the first surgery to remove his bowel and create a stoma. He was sent home without anti coagulents and no info about avoiding a DVT. He went elsewhere for his J pouch. We didn't realise at the time that his DVT was because he was upto 3x more likely to clot with UC.

      As you may have read the experts at Guy's say that the body is best recovered after 2 years from the DVT as the body has healed most especially if you exercise and the compresssion stocking helps to reduce the symptoms. So hopefully you will continue to improve, do you feel that you have been given enough advice? Were you checked for an underlying cause apart from pregnancy?

      I will keep everyone posted about results as this is such a small and new treatment that is being tweaked continuously and Rob is part of the research group.

      Happy New Year, 2016 is going to be good, fingers crossed.

      Sheila

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      Hi Sheila

      Thank you for your reply. I'm glad things seem to be going well for your son after the procedure.

      My husbands UC and j pouch were quite eventful too with a perforation, an abdominal bleed and an abscess, but currently things are going well for him - he's cycling to work and running half marathons in his spare time. He's spoken to many people who are going to have the same procedure, and I really think like DVT/PTS, there's something good about knowing there are other people who have been through it too.

      As for my PTS it's a very new diagnosis as I only saw a haematologist a few weeks ago but at least I know what I'm dealing with now. I am very happy that there is a dedicated thrombosis centre at guys as I think it's important to have specialists leading the way in this field. Despite leg swelling and pain I have been trying to walk 2-3 miles a day (from when I could walk), and just recently have increased the pace to a slow jog which shows progress and I hope is helping build up the collaterals as you say. It certainly makes me feel better. It's actually quite amazing because when you look at my leg you wouldn't think it would do so well.

      I look forward to your news and I'm so glad I read your post so I'm now aware of the leading centre for thrombosis in the UK. I'm glad you spread the news.

      Thanks

      Amy

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      Dear Sheila,

      I have just been catching up on Rob's progress and am really sorry he had to have an additional procedure after everything he's been through,  I am so relieved that they got rid of the clot so fast and that he is really now on the road to recovery.  Those first 6 weeks seem to be a very delicate time.  Really hope he is able to carry on with all his pursuits very soon.  I am still waiting for a date for my op - I need to see the haematologist first, but I was told op would be within the next 3 months.  I am nervous about it all, and hoping that it will all actually happen.  I am desperate to get a new job as conditions at my present school are causing me a lot of stress, we want to buy a house and also we have been wanting to start a family (the dvt 2 yrs ago stopped us in our tracks) and I am hoping that I can still do all these things when it's safe to do so.  I feel like I've had to put life on hold to an extent, have been fighting to get treatment for so long.  I just hope that 2016 brings all of us along a bit further towards our goals!  Thankyou so much for sharing Rob's journey with us all it is enormously reassuring to hear how other people are coping, especially as the stenting is such a new procedure. 

      All best wishes to you all and happy new year!

       

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      Hi Nadine, Happy New Year to you too. Thanks for your lovely reply. Yes it was a pain, literally, but it just shows that the treatment has to be tweeked for individuals and so far it has worked and no more glitches. He was able to pick up the signs of a blockage very quickly and they dealt with it asap. He feels and looks well and he is exercising but not pushing himself too far as yet.

      You have a lot on your plate at the moment, it helps to have something positive to look forward to though doesn't it? I wish you well in your appointments, they are really good at answering your questions and help you plan the order of things.

      Good luck for the future, keep us informed. wink

      Sheila.

       

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      Hi All, Hope you peeps all doing well.

      Rob is feeling fine, no pain, bruising all gone even the injection ones! Has been south for haematology tests, all good. He has started to push himself abit on the exercise stakes and the results are good, no swelling or pain in the left leg. 6 week scan v soon, so fingers crossed. On Warfarin for approx 6 months. 

      Keep in touch. Still feeling lucky.

      sheila.

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      Hi All in this discussion. How is everybody doing? 

      We are feeling very positive as Rob's leg is progressing very well, so far no swelling and pain and he is back to doing lots of exercise and even cycling now. I hesitate to say it is a cure but I really think it is. We don't really have an idea of how things go in the future with regard to the stents as there is so little comparison but fingers crossed that all will continue well. I suppose being a trial it is a matter of wait and see. 

      Let us know when you have news.

      Regards, Sheila.

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