Elevated PSA

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I am a 75 years old. My PSA last year was 4.03 this year it has elevated to 5.83. This has me stressed and worried. My urologist has recommend I have a biopsy. I have been reading and go ogling about prostate cancer and biopsies. The more I read and learn,the more confused I get. I am 50- to get a biopsy and 50 not to get one. Taking my life span in consideration I could die of something else if I did have the cancer. This is what I have been finding out through my research. I am presently taking Flomax to help my frequent urination. I Have also learned that they are risks involved with the biopsy. I am going nuts thinking about my elevated PSA result. Any advice coming my way, would be appreciated.

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    I meant to add that my PSA was 2.4 to 3.5 over a decade. I would not rely on PSA or even a digital rectal examination. These  showed nothing in my case.

     

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    Hello Roger2Dodger... I know the stress you are going through. My PSA went from 4.0 to 5.2. My urologist prescribed an antibiotic to make sure the raise in PSA was not an infection. After the antibiotic, the PSA went to 5.1 which I thought was good. He said no and suggested the biopsy which he scheduled for the next week. This was last October. I was told to arrive 30 minutes earlier than the scheduled biopsy procedure. This was because they would give me some kind of numbing agent prior. Honestly, what ever numbing agent they gave me was not effective at all. The biopsy was not pleasant - but tollerable. I have heard from other people that the biopsy was not painful, so I still wonder if what the assistant used was not the right thing... I would ask your urologist what they would use to numb the area for the biopsy. I was given antibiotics to take before the biopsy and to continue a few days after to help prevent any infection. I think this is a very good idea too. Follow the directions from your urologist - including an enema the morning of the biopsy... this also helps prevent infection. The procedure takes roughly 20 minutes or so and you go home. That day you are a bit sore - but take some ibuprofen and it helps greatly. I developed prostatitis from the biopsy - which my urologist said was probably already there, the biopsy just brought it forward. I was also given Avodate due to a slightly enlarged prostate. At first I wasn't sure if the discomfort I was feeling (sort of like I had a golf ball up my back side) was from the Avodate, or the biopsy. The doc told me it was the prostatitis and gave me another regimen of antibiotic which cleared everthing up. The biopsy came back 3 days later - it indicated 2 out of the 12 core samples had some cancer cells. 1 sample was 10%, the other was only 2%. My urologist said that put me the the 'low risk' group. After the antibiotic for the prostatiis, my PSA went down to 2.0 which he said was very good. The biopsy is important because it will give you your Gleason score. That number will help determine a good treatment option. 6 or less is good. Mine turned out to be 6. And with the lower PSA of 2.0. he said I could even do the 'active survailence' option which lets you monitor the situation every 3 months or so. Then he said if the PSA rises againi, another biopsy - ouch! I just felt like I should deal with it now and get it over with. I am in reasonably good health otherwise, and I thought it I wait longer it would be harder to deal. I researched many treatment options and I think for me the Brachytherapy (low dose radiation seed implants) was a good choice. I had that done 3 weeks ago... and I am doing pretty good. It is a one time treatment done as an outpatient procedure. It takes about an hour. The ibuprofen helps with discomfort after - and it was not any more painful than the biopsy - but at least you are asleep during this one.The first few days it is a bit painful urinating - sort of buring sensation. Not terrible, just uncomfortable. The doc also put me on Tamulosin (generic Flomax) even though I did not have a problem with urination he said this was a precaution. And probably a good idea to keep everytihing working. I have my follow up with the urilogist and the radiation oncologist next Monday. In the first 2 weeks, All treatment options have side effects, but most all will go away from what I've read and been told. I think the Brachytherapy has the fewest side effects, and after a few months, all the radiation is gone. My urologist told me that the side effects will peak at about 3 to 4 months - then be less and less. As I go into the 3rd week after treatment, I feel pretty good. If I start feeling a little discomfort, the ibuprofen seems to knock it out. If I can tell you anything further, please ask. I know this is a tough time. The biopsy should be done to see what options are available for you. Also, what ever you consider, just make sure your doctors have performed that procedure successfully many times. Also, ask you doctor what treatment he would do if it were him or a relative with the same diagnosis as you. Good luck to you.

    Charles

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      Hello Charles, our PSA scores are about ther same. Only yours were a little lower. My urologist has not mentioned any antibiotic for infection. This Urologist seems to give me an uneasy feeling regarding his care. I went to him whem my PSA was 4.03 he was not concerned at all, he flat out told me I had no cancer. he prescribed FLOMAX taken twice a day and sent me on his way. My family Doctor ordered this second PSA March, 1 and it elevated to 5.88. I went back to my urologist and he more or less gave me the option of If I had cancer, I would probably die from something else before the prostate cancer wouild kill me. I told him I wanted to know for sure if i had cancer. I did not want to wake up every moting wondering if I had cancer or not. So, he told me the only way to find out was do a biopsy. I took it on my self, and paid out of pocket and had another PSA test done to make sure the 5.88 was accurate. He came back at 5.83 confirmed it was. So, today I am going to call and have the biospy performed. Your story has helped me, just the unknown is getting to me. I will just man up and do waht I have to do , to get through this. If the stress and anxiery dont get me first. Thanks, again Charles!
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      Believe me I know what you mean about the anxiety. The cancer cells that were found in my biopsy were adenocarcinoma - which the urologist said was a very slow growing cancer. But the fact that I knew it was there, I just wanted to get rid of it. He said because it was early stage, it could be cured. The radiation oncologist agreed. Traditional radiation is an option, also a treatment called Cyberknife which is radiation too, but 4 markers are inserted into the prostate to guide the radiation beam to focus more on the area needed. There would be 5 treatments with this method.  I considered this one too. The radiation oncologist told me that any of the treatments would work for me. I decided on the Brachytherapy - because most statistics I found showed it to be the one with the best success rate - and a one time treatment. So when you go for you biopsy, please ask what they are going to use to numb you so you won't feel much. Most other men I have spoken to said the biopsy was not very painful. Also, a correction to my earlier post - the prescriptions med he gave me prior was Avodart - not Avodate. Good luck to you.
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      Yes, Charles the anxiety and worry is beyond description, at least it is for me. I had anxiety even before all this came about. Antivan helps, but it is not a good med to keep taking. Tell me, what what what was your PSA results when you decided to have a biospy? Sounds like you chose the right treatment. Have you had any Urinary incontinence or impotence since the treatment? (sorry to get personal) but sharing  questions and answers is helpful to all. Glad you are over this awful disease, I know I am looking forward to get good resuilts. Thanks for your replies.
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      Charles, You indicated tour psa scores. I just got confused in the threads.
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      Yes, my PSA was at 5.2. Today it has been 3 weeks since the Brachytherapy treatment. And I don't have any incontinence or impotence. Although the doc suggested no sex for the first 2 weeks... and you really don't want it during that time. You are still a bit too sore. However, going into the 3rd week, you are more interrested in that part. And all works as it should. As long as your PSA doesn't shoot up rapidly, you have time to consider your options as far as treatments or gettomg a biopsy. As I mentioned before, the biopsy did trigger prostatitis for me - but that doesn't happen to everyone... and it is not terrible - just uncomfortable on and off. I went back to the urologist because of it. He determined it was prostatitis and prescribed the antibiotics... which lowered my PSA to 2.0. And I could have done the wait and see optiion... but I just didn't the idea of knowing I had prostate cancer that could surface anytime, or maybe not. And like most in this conversation agree, most of the time prostate cancer is very slow growing... which is good. I just wanted to end it before it could get to a bad point - and it may have never gotten there... I'm not a good gambler and at least you can take your time and do some research. There are lots of good website to check out.You have time to make a decision. And even try a second opinion with a new urologist. Get his take on the whole situattion.
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      Helllo Charles,

      Looks as tho you made all the right decisions for you, I am happy for you, that is all is well, and your are past the dreadful prostate that lots of men have to deal with. I did get another PSA score, and the results were almost the same 5.88 - to 5.83. I am taking my time to make a decision, but there is a down side to that. Meaning , More time for your brain to  think about it. Even if you get a biopsy, then you have more decisions to make if it is not favorable. So, it is my decision and a decision I wish I didn't have.

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    Hi Roger ,my PSA was 4.1 two years ago and last December went up to 8. I went to few urologists and all said I shoulg go for biopsy. I didn't. I ran few tests for biomarkers for cancer ( any test related to PSA is not in my favor, and any test which does not include the psa in the algorithm shows less probability of finding cancer in a biopsy ). My point is that psa is not specific, and many reasons other than cancer can cause the psa numbers to go up.

    The more important thing is to check if anybody from your immediate family died from prostate cancer ( if immediate relatives had BPH, it is not cause for alarm ).

    I am 68 years old and I feel and research shows that i will live same length of time without treatment, as with treatment that will ruin my quality of life.

    Don't make decisions under stress or anxiety. Prostate cancer is most likely indolent and grows very slowly, so you have time. Family might put pressure on you ( but you are the one to read and research and you should be the most informative one ), so don't rush into a decision.

     

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      Helllo Marcos, I truly apprecite your story. My thinking on the biopsy was same as yours. 50- to have on -50 not to have one. Quality of life is very important to me also. I am a healthy 75 year old and I sure don't want to have the Incontinence AND  Impotence that can happen after treatment. The only factor that concerns me is, My research tells me that if your PSA score goes up more that .75 within one year, cancer could be present. Mine is well over that, And that causes me concerns. To my knowledge no one died form prostate cancer. Knowing the significant rise in justy one year will probably pull me to the Biopsy. Your case does give one hope to avoid all the invasive treatments that goes with the biopsy. I truly appreciate your reply.I am stilll mulling over this, but just about at the ropes end.
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    You are worrying needlessly.  The change in PSA could easily be mere differences in test samples and is in no way significant even were it accurate.  Plus the rise in PSA is very slow (look up doubling time).  You can get on the diagnostic treadmill if you like, but I would suggest you read the US Preventative Services Task Force Recommendations on Prostate Cancer regarding both diagnosis and treatment. If you can't simply let go of this, then look up the recent article in Science Daily on predicting aggressiveness of prostate cancer before surgery with a blood test.  You would be suprised to learn that testosterone levels (too low) predict Gleason score (too high).  The authors of the article suggest the possibility that if your testosterone is too low you might supplement testosterone.

    Realistically, you have nothing to be concerned about.  Carl 

     

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      Hey Carl, You sure made me feel relieved and put some anxiety aside after reading your reply. Like I told Marcos, the concern I have is the sigingicant difference in my score last March and the present score this March. any riase over .75 is of a concern for cancer. I copied a pasted your recommendations on the articles you mentioned. And I will surely read them. Thanks for your advice, and more I read, the anxiety is not as great. I am sure glad i found this discussion forum, very helpful and informative!
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    You have to do what you think is right, but if it were me I would not have a biopsy. I would keep getting PSA tests to see if it rapidly goes up. Biopsy can be harmful and even deadly do to infection. Slow growing cancer can take many years to be a problem. Many men will have pc at your age but do nothing because it isn't causing symptoms. Most likely you will not die from it. But again you have to do what you think is right for you. I am 47 and having trouble but I would pass even at my age. I figure I will die of something else.
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      Hi Craig. I appreciate your positive thinking on a biopsy and the cancer itself. The more I read my anxiety level goes down. I am a worry wart any ways and have an anxiety disorder, which I take antivan for that. I am just going  to man up and and make my decision soon. YES, The risks of biopsy are a concern of mine. Dang if you do, dang if tou don't. Thats me right now. Thanks again!

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