ESA and PIP at 64 and 65
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Hi all, I claim both of these, I will be 64 next month and as far as I can work out my ESA will cease when my State Pension kicks in, in March next year ?
But I am so confused as to what will happen to my PIP, will I have to be re assessed?
What always puzzles me is when a patient has been claiming and they go to a face to face consultation and the outcome is they are not entitled, how can that be if they have been receiving benefits for maybe years, do DWP then demand repayments of said monies ? I am tired of all the red tape etc, it makes you feel like a criminal.
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denise15811 Eloise53
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Hi,
Yes your ESA will stop once your pension starts. They'll write to you just before the time your pension starts.
PIP will continue, and you'll continue to be re-assessed like before, which is 1 year before your award is due to end. You'll be re-assessed regardless of your age. If a decision goes in your favour then you'll keep it, if not it's the appeal route or start a claim for Attendence Allowance. Also i beleive if you don't have the Mobility part award before you reach this age then you cxan not be awarded it after this age. Unlike DLA when you reached 65 you would no longer be reviewed and you'd keep it.
ESA and PIP are never awarded for life. If when you're re-assessed and you're refused you wouldn't have to pay back what you've had. This is because they think in the past you we entitled and now you're not. Things do change for some people. I know for a lot they don't, or they get worse. The problem is with both ESA and PIP is that a lot of people just don't understand what it's all about. For ESA people just don't understand you're assessed for the worked you CAN do not what you CAN'T do, so if they think you're capable of doing a sit down job then they'll find you fit for work, sadly.
Same for PIP those descritpors are what it's all about and also the reliability criteria is supposed to be considered too, altho alot of the time it's not. I would advice anyone to do your research before an assessment if it's your first time claiming.
Anyway, hope i've answered your questions.
Eloise53 denise15811
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Hi Denise, thank you so much for making that clear for me, I do receive the mobility part, I receive the higher rate for both, but I don't recall a time limit on my PIP ?
denise15811 Eloise53
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Everyone has a time limit on the award. The shortest award being 1 year and longest being ongoing which is 10 years and review at 9 years. Also it's possible that you have an end date without a review, this basically means that 3 months before the end of your award PIP will contact you to ack if you want to continue claiming, and if you do you'll need to ring them (PIP) and they'll send you another PIP2 form as before. These type of awards don't have a review they're basically treated as a new claim each time. Please do check your PIP award.
Twiglet.12 denise15811
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Hi Denise, i had a reapply letter sent out and rang them, they are sending out a PIP2 form. I won my tribunal appeal in 2016ish and had a end date. So my questions our: surely they could of sent the short version forms instead as my medical conditions will either be the same or got worse?
Just seem to be a waste of time and money when I have the original questionnaire when I first applied for PIP?
I'm just having a moan and we carry on!Thanks Twiglet, 😀
denise15811 Twiglet.12
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Hi,
Oh yes that dreaded end date hasn't done you any favours. When you have an end date the process is totally different to a review. With an end date they don't contact you 1 year before the award ends, it's 3 months a think. You then have to ring them and they'll send you another PIP2 form. Very frustrating! Unfortunately you have to fill it out and return it by the date stated and send all the evidence again. The process will be exactly the same as the first time. Hopefully this time you'll have a decision in your favour and won't need to start that appeal route! Good luck.
Twiglet.12 denise15811
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Contact them again, just ask. Denise Thanks you for all your help, Twiglet,
denise15811 Twiglet.12
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You're welcome! Don't forget if you need more time to return that form then ring and ask for it. 14 days is the max amount they'll allow you. The more evidence you send the better as you already know. Send your form recorded delivery (signed for) then you'll know for sure it's arrived. Hopefully you'll have a decision before your current PIP award runs out, if you don't payments will stop. It's not like DLA where payments used to continue. Good luck and please do let us know the outcome!
chris59012 denise15811
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Hi Denise so if i had pip before 65 and i will be dew a review in
november 2022 do i still have to do a review.
Eloise53
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I checked my paperwork as I expected to have to be assessed every year, but it seems the lady who did my original assessment at the house, and she was very thorough believe me, I don't appear to have to do anything in relation to my Pip until 2021. And I did expect my E.S A to finish when my State Pension kicks in, so all is well, thanks to everyone who took the time to reply to my enquiry
denise15811 Eloise53
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Yes not everyone has reviews yearly for PIP or ESA thankfully! Some people have end dates for their PIP like Twiglet.
With your PIP they will contact you 1 year before your award is due to end, mine is the same and i'll be contacted around November 2019.
Allways happy to help
Twiglet.12 Eloise53
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Hi Eloise53/Denise15811, glad you sorted your ESA/PIP Payments.
Today I attended appointment with my WB officer to help me fill out the PIP2 form and they said with the information from last time and with information that I have this time that they were very hopeful that it would be a paper decision this time.
Nothing I can do now but wait and see! 😀
denise15811 Twiglet.12
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It's extremely rare to have a paper based decision even with a review, so don't be surprised if you're sent an appointment date for a face 2 face assessment. Hopefully for you this won't happen. Good luck.
Twiglet.12 denise15811
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Thanks Denise, my WB officer sent my PIP2 Forms to DWP on the 05/10/2017, DWP text me on 09/10/2017 to say they haven't received my PIP2 Forms yet but if I have returned the forms to ignore this text. I had another text from DWP on 11/10/2017 to say they received my PIP2 FORMS, but on 14/10/2017, i received a letter from DWP, dated 08/10/2017, saying that they haven't received my PIP2 FORMS and to return your completed forms by 19/10/2017, do I ignore the letter or should I call the DWP tomorrow morning?
Thanks Twiglet,
denise15811 Twiglet.12
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Hi,
I'd ignore the letter. They wouldn't have sent that text on 11/10 if they hadn't recieved those forms. The letter was sent on the 8th which means that was before the text was sent. Letters from DWP have to go therough a mail sorting process before we recieve them and this can mean it can take 7 working days to recieve them. Ignore the letter, they have your forms there's nothing to worry about. Your file will now be sent to the assessment providers where they'll decide if an assessment is needed or not. As i said it's rare not to have one, unless you sent the best evidence, proving that those descriptors apply to you, expect an assessment. Good luck and please let us know the outcome.
Twiglet.12 denise15811
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Twiglet.12
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Today I received a letter in the post from Department for Work & Pensions saying that I have to attend a face-to-face PIP, consultation next week, is it me or is that really quick? Also with the letter was a booklet from Independent Assessment Services, Delivered by Atos, in its FAQS Q: Can I have a copy of the assessment report? A: Yes - but you can only request a copy once DWP writes to you with their decision.
Is this DWP/ATOS up to their usual tricks and changed the rules again?
denise15811 Twiglet.12
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Sometimes it can be quick. I sent my daughters forms on a Monday, 7 days later i had a letter with a date for a home assessment.
I love the way DWP word things, or tell their lies lol No that's not true. They can't refues you a copy of that assessment report, even before a decision's been made. Give a week after the assessment and ring to ask for a copy. Always best to leave it that long because they won't send it out until they've recieved both copies (paper and digital) it can take up 1 week for the paper one to show on the computer. Good luck with the assesment and please do come back when you have that decison.
Twiglet.12 denise15811
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Has your daughter had a decision on her PIP?
Thanks Twiglet,
denise15811 Twiglet.12
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Hi Twiglet, Thank you. Happy New year to you too!
There's no timescales to decisions as it all depends on the backlog in your area. You say you have a copy of the assessment report, is that correct? If so have you looked to see what points you scored? This will give you some idea what the decision will be as mostly they go with that report.
If you don't know how to add those up, somewhere in that report you'll have boxes with either dots or ticks next to them. Google PIP self test and have your report next you and tick the boxes that are ticked/dotted, this way you'll be able to see what you scored. Please let me know.
Yes my daughter was awarded Enhanced for both. Decision for her took almost 6 weeks.