esa assement positive assessment results

Are the DWP now going as far as having claimants arrested if they think that someone claiming a benefit may not be entitled to it?

Or is it that if you dare not comply with any of their demands they would seek an arrest warrant (backed by bail I hope)?

Really sorry you had to go thorough this face to face interview is not a way to treat some people

I'm so angry now it's so unfair for so many people that we ill

Take care all best

Paul

The assessment continued with me saying yes/no at what I thought the questions were.

The latest stunt the DWP has done is temporary promoted DWP Telephone Staff to Maximus, to do Health Assessments on ATOS's behalf. It is part of the cut backs on the DWP, but one that should not be invoked in the first place. The DWP will swear they do not do this, but it was 'leaked' out last week.

So, those Health Assessors are just Telephone Operators, nothing more!! It makes this government look even worse than it is already.

Regards,

Les.

Regards,

Les.

Is there any link that shows the DWP doing this? I thought that at least a HA had to have some level of Health/Care qualification, even if it is the 2 hour First Aid course run by the Red Cross?

Have a look at the guardian dated 27th Aug 2015 title thousands die after being fit for work

Not a easy read afraid saw it this morning and i was so shocked by it shows how much the system of back to work is broken

Regards

Paul

It's terrible what's going on in a goverment who clearly hate and kill sick and disabled words fail me

You can't make this up you really can't

I could tell you a lot about the DWP that you would not believe. That message I just posted, is more known that some.

I found articles on the web, not the web we are on, these were internal emails posted online by "whistle-blowers" - however, the emails stated that the contents could not be posted or published to any media. It also stated that they would lose their jobs, should anyone be found submitting such documents.

There is ways of calculating stories that the Government only allow parts of to be published, but the real story is always hidden. What I found out a while ago now was never to reach the public. It involved the DWP and ATOS, but another huge organisation was also involved but never published. The "whistle-blowers" posted an internal email that contained the whole email which was sent out on headed paper, what happened after, was people started dying because of what ATOS did - it did not involve PIP or ESA, but you have to remember ATOS, Capita and Maximus all have one thing in common, they are low on staff, just like the DWP.

Les, you mentioned one qualification - what if I told you, some have no qualifications at all in health care, or another one that also went thru have one diploma, they are not taught anything about numerous illnesses or disabilities, etc.

I have got a few emails about it, but its finding the correct one, my inbox is a mess, over 12,000+ not even filed away. And I spam filters on.

I'll carry on checking to see if I can find it, I know I did not throw it out - any information I get I keep.

Regards,

Les.

Can you ask them what qualifications they have and what they specialise in or will they say no I can't tell you this info ? There is a whistleblower doctor on YT who went to the press

I don't think you are allowed, but do not quote me on that. I think the only thing they are allowed to disclose is their previous employment type, e.g. a nurse, a doctor or occupational therapist.

The "whistle-blower" that spoke out, did not want his name associated with what was going on. Many people took the offer on the understanding that they said nothing about it.

Regards,

Les.

Thanks

Does make me wonder if they'd just lie I'm getting mine with audio and I will tape it myself too

Regards

Paul

It's funny actually when I go to hospital appointments, etc my wife pushes me in to their rooms in my wheelchair. But I always get asked the same question everytime, which is this "Are you filming this appointment?", I'm not - I carry my mobile phone in my top front pocket course the main camera lens aims outwards, and its in a black leather case. I should say yes, it getting my own back on "Big Brother!".

Funny enough I phoned the DWP yesterday, but was not charged nothing for the call. There is a website on the net which I have used loads of times, to get around these "pay-thru-the-nose" telephone numbers.

I was enquirying about Contribution-based ESA in the Support Group with Income-based ESA in the Support Group, because one pays more than the other. They said they will, send me the forms, but I am a bit wary - I worked out we would be better off by £14-£15 a week. What bothers me is if this causes a 'domino' effect with any other benefits.

I put the phone down, and said to my wife is it worth the hassle? She said the same, usually we end up worse off, in one way or another. That's life isn't, you may get more ESA, but it will affect something else.

Regards,

Les.

It's ESA I think nothing on the letter at all not even a company name which is odd ? Oh I will put the phone in my pocket and record the whole thing I've read some interviews take 2 hours I can't sit still for 2 hours I will be in massive pain just typing this message is killing my fingers one had is complete numb at bedtime Same with the feet and toes

Was sorting out more paperwork from the hospital etc nice big folder too take dunno if it's works for me and my case who knows.

I would film it in my top pocket if I could because they will be filming me no doubt as I walk in and out

Some have said they watch you in the car park as your waking in

Good video on YT

Do you have a pet cat or dog

Mobile phone

Watch tv sitting down

Use a washing machine

If all of the above you have failed

Lol

Regards

Paul

So I sent the DWP over 50 copies of documents covering the previous 14 years. These included care plans, Sectioning Orders, Psychaitric reports, copies of the medication I was and had been on PLUS copies of both the IIDB reports (80% disabled due to mental health matters)  and DLA  reports (High Mobility/High Care)

PLUS letters & reports from the consultants in the Vascular and Spinal Units. The DWP soon changed their minds after I threatened to appeal - put in the Support Group for 3 years!!!

I never did get a reply from the DWP when I asked how could a so called professional HA get it so wrong.

Shows how your case was a personal attack so he just gave you no points they the DWP know people are really sick you have the all medical notes from a doctor and specialist to show this face to face interview are a waste of money IDS has wasted so much money on failed IT systems that Fail long term sick are not going to get better a wave of a wond won't cure them like magic

If you was trying too pull the wool over there eyes you doctor would see this and say you are fit for work.

Regards

Paul

I would also add, that unfortunately for the DWP when I asked to see my complete ESA file, some idiot photocopied everything - including part of the ESA85 which was headed 'Harmfull Information'. It had a post it note attached saying that it must not be copied to me!

On that sheet the assessor had typed his opinion of me - it was personal as you say. He described me as 'arrogant, awkward, racially abusive, and obnoxious'. The DWP had that in my file and it was only by luck that I found it.

Shows we are just a number

Regards

Paul

R

  cheers mate. I have an ICE complaint but I don;t hold much hope for that.. but then again all I want is an explaination and maybe for them to imporve their policies in this area so it ooes not happen to someone else mainly

as as soon as money enters the equation I panic.

If you feel you should be getting different benefit do it

The main thing is your now ok

Take care

Regards

Paul

Firstly, I will let you know some of the things that have gone on, moreso over the past few years. Some of this may come of a shock but it is all the truth, and "documented".

Go back in time about 18 months ago, in the news headlines was the NHS hospitals unable to cope with demand of patient increase from around October 2014. In many hospitals A&E units were shutting down or even had tents outside of A&E to take on the enormous amounts of extra patients.

But, why did all this happen - because it came out of the blue! Why would hospitals all be running with such an high demand for beds? We were all led to beleive that the NHS was to blame.

It was nothing to do with the NHS as such, but it was partially. What happened was due to a 'stunt' ATOS pulled off after being offered more money by the DWP. Now, you're probably wondering what has all this to do with one another.

Here is what happened:

ATOS was still way beyond on assessments, appeals, etc and on top new applications. They were understaffed to cope with the demand.

The DWP, then paid ATOS a few more million that was to employ more Health Assessors, but of course these new people would need to have at least some healthcare knowledge.

This is when the "takeover" started, ATOS said they could offer a good job with a starting pay off £30,000 and a 9am to 5pm working 5 days a week. Then the NHS Paramedics were emailed in many hospitals over the UK, offering them the job prospects and working as conditions of Health Assessors for ATOS.

Now, look at a Paramedic a bit more closely. -

A person that has at least one diploma behind them, the NHS pays them around £22k to £24k to work odd hours, and they get offered by ATOS a job of easy hours and £30k at least.

If I remember correctly the number of paramedics started to drop by a fair few hundred, mostly in southern England. There is probably still a shortage of paramedics even now. Now, that's what caused such a problem to hospitals. The "whistle-blower" came from the NHS, because he was a paramedic, but others did the same, because they thought the way it was approached was bad. They were told not to tell anyone outside the NHS, that the email existed, or they would be found and dismissed.

Now, you can see why Hospitals were over-run, they were short of paramedics whom had been bought out by ATOS, whom were given the money to do it by the DWP.

So, there you go - something you were probably unaware of, but did go on.

Regards,

Les.

Will keep it brief as my hands and fingers are playing up today I see it clear what's been going it's why in my areas no one would work for atos was told this on the phone I guess the guy wanted to tell the truth he did say there was a massive backlog which was in the media

Have you been dipping into your emails again ?

Sorry it's sort but I'm in such pain

Regards

Paul

You are probably like me, some days I cannot use the mouse at all, my hands spasm, and have tremors - if someone is in the room, they normally come over to see what I am trying to do but can't. I have real issues trying to copy and paste, I even try my other hand to try and counteract the movements of the other one... but with Dystonia, it's like I'm fighting with both hands to move the mouse in the right position, then it slips....before now, I typed Hi to reply to someone on here, but hit a key combination that was a short-cut for the Reply, so all I sent was "Hi".... but many people know how difficult it can be typing messages.

I used to think Writer's Cramp was just a condition most people got, the fact was it does have a medical term which I didn't know it is called Hand Dystonia - it affects thousands of people everyday, yet they just carry on. I can't even do that, my handwriting used to be excellent, but over the years, it just got worse and now even my signature is never the same, and I cannot even read my own writing, that's why my wife does all the paperwork.

My wife says always write passwords and usernames down, how many times do I actually do that maybe once or twice.

I cannot type on my dam iPad, I usually hit either the wrong key, or keys, text messaging on my phone, well that's impossible - I did try one of those talk to type apps from Google, it is okay if it picks your words up properly, but if I end up with a message that makes no sense, I don't send it..lol

The keyboard on my PC isn't too bad, apart from I get pain from my arms, but thats the Dystonia. That at the moment is bugging me, all the right side of my face is swollen up, it looks like I have something large in my mouth, and causes my face to deform which at the moment is stuck out further than my ear lobe. And that, is pain full - I got an idea it is down to the Botox injection which was done 2 weeks ago today, but can't find anything on it. The left part of my neck is still swollen and tense, but that's normal.

Anyway, I'm off to bed - I hope your pain decreases enough to get some sleep.

Regards,

Les.

Yeah the bloody pain in wrists and fingers hands are getting worse last night I had trouble bending my fingers on both hands right had is total numb at night i tend to use my iPod till the drugs kick in which can take hours then I get some sleep

Was watching a video on YT on the face to face from Maximus guy with a bad back lol found so many wrong answer not too say

Using the PC is hard mines a touch screen and even that's hard for me don't have a mouse the iPhone I'm using has very small keys always typing the wrong words

The Internet has so much info on DWP etc so all good to see the real picture was going on

Regards

Paul

An "iPod" oh my gawd!! I could never use anything that small. I used to use an Sony Ericsson Mini - stupid really, it had a proper keyboard that would slide out the side. But with my stubby fingers and hand tremors I had no chance of using the dam thing.... people were getting alsorts of weird messages! lol

I downloaded an App from Google for my Samsung Galaxy phone, it is not too bad, but after I take my meds then my speech becomes worse than before. I mean how the hell can IDS send us back to work to make people better! I'd like to see him in my body, with muscles tensed up in my legs warms, fingers, sometimes I get it in my jaw (that is really painfall), at the moment my face is deformed, it looks like I'm storing food on one side of my mouth, there is no way on this earth you can put that on. My neck and shoulder muscles are just solid until the botox kicks in which takes usually 2 weeks, this time it is taking far too long.

I'll probably need to see the doctor in the week, if this keeps up. I wake up in the night, why I hang my left leg out the bed, I don't know but it happens in my sleep, course that goes totally numb and I can't lift it back on m bed, so I  have to call my wife to do it. Sometimes I don't even realise I have done it, and my wife may wake up and see what I have done and lifts it back up. The trouble is with swollen legs, ankles and feet, anyone just touching me is really painful. Both legs are supposed to be elevated at all times in bed, and even in the day... But then my back starts, if I stay in one position - it's a no win situation.

Perhaps, IDS knows more about me that my Consultants, besides they only specialise in and inject in numerous areas like 2mls (4 times in different parts because of the muscle is basically solid) of Xeomin in my left splenius capitas, 0.5 mls in the left trapezius and 0.5 in my right sternomastoid muscles. Dystonia basically twists the body in ways you can't imagine, even my wife looks at me some days and says you look you are in awful pain, I am but I tend not to say anything. Besides what can you do when you are on the maxium doses of all painkillers? Nothing... We have to carry on regardless, while the likes of IDS carry on cutting our benefits, or making them impossible to get.

The other day I phoned the DWP up, just to ask would I be better off on Income-related ESA in the support group or in the Contribution based ESA in the Support Group. He said it would affect other benefits, but you would be better off by £15 a week, he then asked did I want to apply, I said just for £15 it is not really worth it, he said well I can post the form out to you, and if you want to change over you can.

I got the book this morning! I thought what the hell, its thicker than forms my wife fills in usually, and to be honest I don't see the point for just £15 a week. I may as well stay as I am.

There is alot on the DWP, and it can be found by using Google, which allows you to grab alot of information that some sites have no links to, but Google spiders websites deeper than most search engines, so we end up with much more information. Google is also thinking of spidering the Darkweb, that would be interesting as long as you know how to make yourself anonymous...

Regards,

Les.

It's the old type iPod classic got around 16k songs on it the one I have had the wheel you just move its big and Simple to use the battery is rubbish like all apple products are did i have old Sony one which only had 4 k max

Yes the hands fingers are getting worsen things like shaving etc are hard dunno if I want a op on them seen bad press for the lasting effects loss of movement etc

IDS very strange man lol seen some much about him online pain in the backside trying to get a extra money on the phone I rang the maximus today asking if I needed to do more forms as I've got more conditions now than before just bring the large folder of letters worn you.

The new drug tramadol slow release is giving stomach pains bloating plus constipation the muscle cramps

Keep coming and going

Bed time is the worse trying to fight off the pain yes i put my legs out of the bed all the time

Regards

Paul

My wife takes Tramadol and  Paracetamol, TWO of each 4 times a day. Her final dose is at 10.30pm which she takes with 20ml of Oramorph.

She doesn't wake up with pain anymore - the Morphine sends her into a long deep sleep - she's still groggy at 10am the following morning.

Oh my... I remember those iPods, the really old versions. I actually designed one of them in using Flash Technology, I will look up the details and show you on the internet where people could download them and use them on their websites. I designed it in ActionScript 2.0 and all the designed buttons were done in vector images, there was more to get them working though, using JavaScript, DHTML and XML (I know I probably went straight over your head!) I do with most people! lol

I used Javascript to display the Flash-based iPod, and to get it to pop out of a page, so by changing pages did not stop songs playing. DHTML was used to enter Tracks into the PHP/MySQL database and the PHP XML file was to control which tracks pre-loaded. It was a good idea, and what made them even better is they could be customized. People could add an image of a certain size, and it would match their websites... Just one of my old ideas.

Well, I don't shave - don't ask! LOL   -  I even managed to cut myself with a Philips Contour 3 head razor! So, now my wife uses a proper beard trimmer and she does it for me.

Tramadol is well known for those side-effects, I used to get them, but I told my doctor whom precribed Lansoprazole 30mg gastro-resistant capsules just 1 a day. Sometimes, they drop you down to 15mg after 28 days, but after lowering the dose to 15mg, but with me the problems returned so, the doctor said take them back up to 30mg a day. Been on them ever since, I take one every morning - but my mother-in-law was given Ranitidine, however they did not work as well as Lansoprazole 30mg, so here doctor swapped her back on to them. But for me, I used to always feel bloated, constipated, etc which is all normal when on Tramadol. I don't drinking fizzy drinks because they cause bloating as well.

Perhaps, you might to want to tell your doctor about the side-effects of Tramadol and asl about Lansoprazole - they are nothing like Rennies which some people state, and you cannot take them with Rennies anyway, I cannot remember why, but there is a reason.

Regards,

Les.

We have a USB connector in our center console of the car under the armrest. But we can put albums straight on to a USB stick and switch the stereo to USB which plays all the songs from folders we put the various tracks in, it last hours because it powered by the car, no need for mp3 players, etc.

Regards,

Les.

Iam on them lansoprazole 30 mg a day I take mine 30-60 minutes before dinner work well for me been on them for over 6 months now

No it did not go over my head lol I understand some of it not all

I got at new electric razor for Christmas never had one before and I really like it no more cutting my face which was happening ever time nice clean smooth shave take 8!hours to charge which only last around 35 mins it takes me a while to shave with the hands getting numb

Yes I will tell the doctor the side effects of tramadol never been on slow release before

Regards

Paul

Oh for the days of VHS tapes and 8 track for the car.

I was into digital electronics in a big way, to me everything was simple, even computer programming. I showed my eldest son how to write a virus just with Notepad - it is not that difficult as people think. And these days, new malware is appearing on the web in many variants and at nearly 250,000 a day!!

VHS tapes I still have loads of old movies from the 80's and 90's, I never bought a Betamax player - it didn't really take off at the start, and neither did VC2000 from Philips, even though you could turn over and use the 'B' side.

8 Track Cassettes, wow Les, now you're showing your age...lol I remember them, they were good back in their day.

It's funny we can look back on decades of history and see so much is just in a time loop! Like my daughter, she comes home from town saying these are the latest out!! Then we say, Oh I remember them back in my day... Then, we hear - Huh! no way they just come out. Until she checks on the internet and sees history is actually repeating itself in many ways.

Regards,

Les.

Letter came back from EMG from last week Nothing all normal so I have no clue do the specailst about what is causing the numbness in feet and toes I'm wearing a si joint pain belt

As my hip is very painful and lower back

Don't know if it's trapped nerves or something else

A Neurologist can arrange these or your own GP, to refer you to a Neurologist.

Regards,

Les.

MRI scan was done last year

Had a ct scan back in 2003

Regards

Paul

Regards

Paul

I would certainly, ask your doctor to refer you to a Neurologist.

Regards,

Les.

The Neuro said he did not want to se me again I feel the only person that's treated me right is my GP the others just guess as too what's wrong with me I feel it's lack of care and I'm really fed up of it all

Had enough of taking pills side effects the pain is getting worse in my feet I don't even know if I'm getting right treatment at all

Plus the DWP now with the face to face interview

Had enough les

Paul

I just phone my Neurology Department up, and state that I would like to see my main Neurologist, usually it's around 4-6 weeks from when I call, but he his the top Neurologist in England, he's done so much for me, I can not fault him. Infact people that see you hear in the waiting room saying just how good he really is. There can be times when I cannot get to see him, but I am told when I phone to make appointments.

Do you live far from Bristol? That is where my Neurologist lives, and occassionally visits certain hospitals, because he is a brain surgeon as well. Have I ever given you the website of Dr. J Stone? He does online visits, I know that sounds stupid, but he lives in Scotland, many people email him.

Regards,

Les.

Down the m4 les jct 16

Type in si joint pain with tingling and numbers in feet and toes and guess what comes up with my pain

It's not neuro its si joint hip pain also my knees are painful and Pain down front of leg they know this I've told them many times

They don't listen. And go ahead and test me for a diseased I don't have

It's a joke les and it's getting worse as I'm not getting the right treatment at all

Paul

Ive been reading through some threads to understand what the hell happened in my PIP assessment. I got 0 points but when I did the online calculator, I got 36. I know that's never going to happen but 0 points when I answered questions which should have been more than 1 point as each section can give 1-5 points.

Now I was awarded ESA In the support group back in July. I have been diagnosed with Dysthymia which is permanent depression. I was in a psychiatric hospital after I tried to commit suicide for 5 weeks in March 2015. This was the 2nd time, I done the same back in 2013 and in hospital for 3 weeks.

Part of my condition is that I don't like going out of my room, never mind the house. I became disillusioned with the doctors and the treatment that I had received over the past few months I have refused to see doctors take medication and self referral for CBT because it's never worked for me and I have to go through the whole situation with a different doctor every time I see them, so I refuse partly to see a doctor, one reason because I won't go out(panic attacks) the other is a think I won't get the help I need. My mum thinks ive gone 10x worse since I stopped my meds. I battle suicidel thoughts every day. I went back the doctor to get help in November only to be given a self referral for psychiatric services, CBT. now last time I did CBT after the second session, she called me up and said she can no longer help me and the further back to the crisis team because I questioned her after she said to write 5 things I can do when I get those thoughts. She said like the washing, cleaning etc etc, I said I'm a clean single lad, all that would take 5 minutes, after that I'm still going to think about killing myself. so from then on I will not do anything because I feel like I've never been helped. so I suffer now In silence if you like. I mentioned all this to the assessor and to give me 0 points I don't understand. I told him my struggle to even go to doctors, going even see him! I don't understand, don't know how to get any help now. I am going to apply again for p i p again, I don't know what to do I am in the support group for ESA, how can I get the outcome I need to be awarded p i p when I thought I did everything I need to? also he ask for evidence? what evidence can I give? can I ask for a letter from a doctor? I mean they should have access to all my medical history I just need help please. My assessment was November, would have been back dated till march. I was thinking is that why they refused me as I was looking at a huge back pay? Thanks for any advice in advance

Robbie