Extreme fatigue with PMR
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Hello everybody. So glad I have found this forum. I am a retired 69 year old who has had PMR for 13 years on and off and it has been generally well-managed. Last August I had a flare-up and was put on prednisolone 15mg tapering dose. In December I caught a virus which put me into bed for three weeks and has resulted in extreme exhaustion which I am still trying to deal with. If I go out I have to use my car, and limit myself to just a few errands. If I go away for a visit to friends I am bed bound with exhaustion for several days on my return. There is a 36 week waiting list to see my rheumatoligist who has been very supportive over the years. Any ideas on how I can get back to normal? I am a usually fit active person who loves life.
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constance.de hilary6947
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Welcome to the forum Hilary. So sorry you have had a relapse after all this time. Having PMR once is twice too often!!😡
Our experts will no doubt be along shortly to advise you. Just wanted to commiserate with you and send greetings.
💐💥
hilary6947 constance.de
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That's very kind of you Constance. I didn't realise how low this condition could bring me and others. I have had a very helpful message from Eileen so will follow this up.
With kind regards to you too.
EileenH hilary6947
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It sounds as if it may be post-viral fatigue - myalgic encephalomyelitis or chronic fatigue syndrome - rather than just the PMR.
https://patient.info/health/myalgic-encephalomyelitischronic-fatigue-syndrome-mecfs-leaflet
https://patient.info/doctor/myalgic-encephalomyelitischronic-fatigue-syndrome-mecfs-pro
I can give you these links as they are internal ones (the second one is aimed at healthcare professional so may be a bit complicated - but if you google it you will get a link to the ME Association who have a helpline in the UK who could tell you whether there are clinics near you - I know there were units being set up some years ago.
The last time I suggested this to someone I was very rudely rebuffed because the lady "didn't want negativity" so I hope you aren't offended! I'm suggesting it as a place to start looking for informed help and advice.
In the early days of PMR (without pred) I went to aquafit classes at my gym. There was a lady there with ME/CFS and she told me that the half class she managed a couple of times a week had helped a lot - but what she did was VERY low level. The hospital specialist she saw also treated all his patients as if they were hypothyroid, whether their blood tests suggested it or not and that also seemed to be helpful.
hilary6947 EileenH
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hilary6947 EileenH
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EileenH hilary6947
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Good luck!
hilary6947 EileenH
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Hello again Eileen. You were spot on. Checking out the links you suggested was a real revelation. I certainly fit the main criteria for ME/CFS, the main feature of which is post-exertional malaise. It seems as if, therefore, I have PMR and CFS. I am greatly relieved in one way. I couldn't understand why I felt so ill. I am due to have an assessment next week for the National Exercise Referral Scheme. The CFS puts a whole new perspective on which grade of exercise regime would be best for me. I am still on a tapering dose of prednisolone, down to 7mgs from 15mg last August and will continue with this. I am also taking vits B12, C, D, Co Q10. Since I have been unwell it has felt overwhelming and I have felt a bit helpless. Comfort eating has increased my weight by 21lbs. I have decided to eat more healthily and lose the excess weight. Anything that gives me a feeling of control over some aspects of my health. Thank you to everyone who has made helpful comments on this forum. I will keep you posted Eileen and hope you continue at optimum level. Thanks, Hilary.
EileenH hilary6947
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Cut the carbs! Drastically. It does work to get the pred-associated weight off - I lost 36lbs and it is the only way I can lose weight while on pred. I've tried enough! Many others have had the same experience.
I know exactly how you felt - the 5 years I KNEW there was something wrong but no doctor could identify it because the blood tests never wavered I didn't know what to do with myself. Every afternoon I would sit down and fall asleep, wake up and be desperate for something, anything to eat in the hope I'd feel less awful. Didn't know what but it needed to be sweet! Which was totally not me, I don't really do sweet. Within hours of taking my first pred it disappeared! Haven't had sweet cravings since - bizarre or what? But I'd put on weight in that 5 years despite going to Rosemary Conley classes and it took years to find out how to deal with it. Low carb!!! Really very low carb to lose weight, low carb maintains my weight - but a week of eating carbs at a meeting and I put on over 5kg
Good luck - and hope the exercise programme helps. Do you need a diagnosis from anyone as to CFS? The thinking on the best way to manage it does seem to have changed in recent years.
hilary6947 EileenH
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I've been reading loads on ME/CFS, with a wide range of views and findings in the research literature. I seem to be at the mild to moderate level, for which I am thankful. My heart goes out to anyone in the more severe range of difficulties. Have just skimmed through the NICE guidelines and given the restrictions in funding in the NHS I am wondering what services in other areas are like (I live in N. Wales).
I am grateful for the info on low carb diets. There is no advice on what eating regime to adopt, so it seems down to the individual to see what works. I do have a sweet tooth but not necessarily uncontrollable. I eat when I am miserable. Can't walk far but am encouraged by the possibility of a blue badge. My car really is my life line. I will certainly look into low carb eating. I eat healthily usually but when I'm on a downer I'm shocked at how much I can binge eat!! Not good.
EileenH hilary6947
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It was a few months before I finally got a dx and put on pred that I realised how dependent I had become on my car. If I couldn't drive there - I couldn't go. I was stopped from driving by a specialist who didn't listen to me and ask ME the questions - and she decided there was a chance I'd had an epileptic episode. I hadn't and the other things she'd been told by OH had long been investigated and labelled ("Oh, I didn't know that..." he said). Anyway - no car for a few months at a point where I could barely get up and down stairs wasn't funny. I managed to get here to our flat and with no stairs I actually managed to get up the mountain to ski! The movement of downhill skiing is perfect mobilisation therapy for PMR/bursitis hips - who knew?
I did the online research here - and found my diagnosis. The only problem was convincing a doctor. He still wasn't having it but referred me to a rheumy - who also didn't believe me. But he DID give me a 6-week taper of pred to help me over a trip to the US. The pain and stiffness was gone in 6 hours - and was back in 6 hours after I missed the first tablet! A different GP was convinced enough - and, as they say, the rest is history.