Fibromyalgia PMR or both????
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Please please help!!!! I've been ill over the last year and a half....severe exhaustion widespread pain that rapidly morphed into bilateral joint pain....knees feet ankles hips wrists fingers shoulders and lower back...muscle pain bad in upper arms....climbing stairs and blow drying my hair are now tasks that are very difficult....All blood markers are normal except ANA is 160....Lupus and RA panels both negative...definitive DX thus far is Hashimoto's Thyroiditis Primary Osteoarthritis and Mast Cell Activation Disorder (Mast cells overactive in Colon)
My Rheumy doctor reluctantly put me on a Pred Dose pack after I begged her for some relief and within 24 hours I was almost pain free! She said almost everyone feels better on steroids...after the Pred was done all my symptoms came back immediately....both my Rheumy and PCP refuse to DX PMR due to the absence of inflammation blood markers.
I'm in my 3rd month of 200 mg Plaquinel...no help as of yet....I'm taking no other pain relievers or nsaids...I'm 52 and am so young to be so debilitated... could this be all Fibromyalgia or Osteoarthritis?? The joint pain went from tolerable to debilitating very quickly....appreciate thoughts!!
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veronica81435 muddyooch
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Hi there , well if it was fibromyalgia you would of felt absolutely no relief on pred. Probably would of even made it worse . So you can forget it being fibro. Your symptoms won't improve on plaquenil for a good month at least so hang on in there. Works the same as Pred by suppressing the immune system but works much slower as it builds up in the system. Don't drink any alcohole with it. Hope you improve soon and if they don't suite you tell your Dr . Best wishe , V .
muddyooch veronica81435
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Thanks Veronica... I feel like I still have tinges of Fibromyalgia with there being tender points here and there... my doc says Plaquinel can take up to six months to work!!...so in the meantime I guess I'm supposed to just live with the pain?? It's maddening!
daniel08939 muddyooch
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I have had pmr twice six years apart and my my blood markers never showed inflammation. My rheumatologist keeps telling me that he does not know what I have but prednisone works so well he prescibes it for me.
muddyooch daniel08939
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nick67069 muddyooch
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muddyooch nick67069
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thank you nick... I am in the US...it's so frustrating to not be able to find a doctor to look at his patient on the basis of symptoms rather than strictly blood results...
nick67069 muddyooch
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my bad on your location.. If you are in US, are you on HMO or can you choose different primary care doctor? Even if you frame it as a "second opinion", it should get you fresh look at your syumptoms and hopefully correct diagnosis. If it were me, I would just change doctor rather then fight with their incompetence.
muddyooch nick67069
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Yup Nick you are absolutely right...it's been such a roller coaster for me of trying to accept this as my new "normal" to getting really pi##ed off...right now I am the latter...I should not have to accept the pain when I know there is medicine that helps me...I do not have an hmo so I'm not concerned about that...I actually have pretty good insurance...thankfully
sheila105 muddyooch
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EileenH muddyooch
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"She said almost everyone feels better on steroids"
What a load of **** - I really wish I knew where they get this idea from. My GP tried to tell me that - I soon disillusioned her!
If it all went away when you took pred - then it isn't fibromyalgia, it is NOT an inflammatory disorder.
Unlike Nick I'm assuming you are in the USA (we don't have "dose packs" in the UK and call PCPs GPs). So I'd suggest you look for a PCP or a rheumy who knows that up to 20% of PMR patients have normal blood markers and treats the patient not the numbers. I'm assuming you started on about 25mg and reduced daily for 5 days? That is about the currently recommended maximum starting dose for PMR, 20mg may be enough too. If what you have is PMR - and it could be - then you will get relief with pred and nothing else and you will probably be able to reduce the dose steadily to nearer 10mg over a few months (as long as you are careful). If that gives you your life back - I really don't see how any doctor can complain. They are terrified of pred - but happily hand out opiod pain killers ...
Is the thyroiditis now under control? It can also cause PMR-type symptoms. I don't know if pred would manage them as dramatically as you describe.
muddyooch EileenH
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adette01750 muddyooch
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Hi muddyooch
I really identify with your plight.
I am 54 but last year at 53 I had much of your pains that you describe. My ESR raised but not CRP a gp diagnosed PMR and started me on steroids, there worked so well, but the hospitals don't agree, too young and they said bloods didn't confirm as they would like. My ANA negative but schrimmer test positive for sjogrens, scan of parotid positive for sjogrens but as other tests negative they didn't agree with sjogrens either, I still wonder what I have!!! I have hashimotos too from a scan on the thyroid but the steroids seem to have normalised the thyroid function one consultant said.
I have been diagnosed with sjogrens and started on Plaquenil, I have been on it nearly 6 months and it gave me some extra saliva, so my dry mouth has improved, but little else. The hospitals have reduced my steroids too quickly, but I have hadn't to slow things down as I felt so ill at the rate they wanted me to do,
on steroids my ESR now half at 24 and CRP now 11. When I got to 9mg, but I was so stiff and in pain they had to give me an injection of steroids 80mg which is helping tremendously.
Now on a dmard asathiaprine with the Plaquenil and steroids, so it must be something!!!
I have seen 3 Rheumatology consultants now, and finally last week the last one says she agrees with the sjogrens, PMR diagnosed by gp and she will support the 2 year treatment with steroids and has prescribed the dmard so I might be getting somewhere who knows. She also wants me to reduce steroids slower than the previous consultants, which I've been saying all along, so 10 months into the journey, I feel yuk at times and extremely fatigued but at least I know some of the reasons why.
Work is difficult as long hours.
But keep going, I've fought and fought, cried buckets, but ask for other opinions if you are not happy, and with ANA positive your fatigue could it be sjogrens, have you dry mouth eyes etc with your joint pains?
Take care.
EileenH adette01750
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"the hospitals don't agree, too young and they said bloods didn't confirm as they would like"
Why don't they read the guidelines? Age: "over 50" - and the medical literature does have papers warning against blocking it as a concept in younger patients. And up to 1 in 5 patients has a normal range ESR/CRP.
It makes me SO angry that they are so out of date and leave patients in pain by treating the numbers and not the patient.
The rheumy I saw was an utter plonker - didn't even listen to my side - and wanted it to be anything but PMR even though all his ideas got ruled out. I took 15mg pred and in under 6 hours was back to normal functioning and almost no pain. Luckily another GP in the practice agreed with the dx of PMR and provided the pred. No-one here in Italy has disagreed with the dx.
Don't really care about the label any more - 7mg of pred keeps me functioning and I have no side effects. That'll do me.
adette01750 EileenH
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That's a good way to look at it, they want me to be at 7.5 at a year which is July but of course It will be at the end of August I think, but the consultant said 8 mg would be ok, as I've only just started the azathioprine. I've been told by several doctors you would always feel better on pred it doesn't mean it's PMR, but this forum especially your wise words Eileen teach me so much.
It's a long unknown road for all, I hope everyone is well as possible.
EileenH adette01750
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Aza may not make any difference - it isn't guaranteed. And you need what you need - there is nothing they can do that will change that.
muddyooch adette01750
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Hi Adette...funny you mention Sjogrens..my dentist actually pointed out recently my saliva is very very thick...a change from 6 months ago..I do have dry mouth a lot and eyes usually irritated and red (blamed on allergies)...wondering if it could be Sjogrens...I was tested over a year ago and it was negative...wonder if a lot of these AutoImmune disorders take time to show up in the blood...thank you for your thoughts..it's just reassuring to know there are others out there like me!
EileenH muddyooch
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It isn't unusual to take a while to find someone who will accept a Sjogren's diagnosis. There is something else called sicca syndrome - all the signs and symptoms of Sjogren's without the antibodies.
adette01750 muddyooch
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The Plaquenil takes time to work, but I definitely have loads more saliva now 5 months down the line.
Good luck with your second opinion.