for Dinoaurs - a wander down memory lane

Many thanks. It could have been of major excitement.

hi george take a look at the youtube vid 

called run from the cure , or maybe your wife could watch it sorry i keep forgetting about your hearing. 

before you think its all to do with hippies and getting stoned if eaten raw you dont get the high same if applied .to the skin. to treat skin cancer.

and remember it used to be quite legal to grow in this country to be used as a painkiller during and before the war . please watch with your wife and give me a honest opioion . the goverment hides more from us than we know.

Thank you Tiswas. Thank you for remembering my hearing problems. That is a rare treat for me, so an extra thank you xxxxx. Yes watching with my wife is a sensible solution.

In war concripts are known as cannon fodder ( a tactic thousands of years old. We need a similar term for the voters who are used and disadvantaged by big government.

Let me think ..........

I will start the list and others can add to their ideas and we can vite on what will be this civilian equivalent of cannon fodder.

LIST

voters

 

I remember when I thought it a big and important thing to be a voter. Ever since the Heath government the 'r' in that important word has become fainter and fainter. You know, it is some years since I saw that 'r' at all. 

its because we have been around the block several times and have heard the same arguments time and time again now it all rolls of .

the smoking thing really gets me they get us smoking telling us at times how safe it was and relaxing even reccomenneded to pregnant women during the war . then they say its bad for you pressure from health organizations to do something about it ,

does this mean rehab centres for getting of fags and booze no it means a massive increase in tax on them so the people still smoking are making up the down full of those who have given up ,the amount of tax brought in by smokers was the cost of running the health service , so they had to get the money back . from some where. booze and fags and mal practise and legal medications ,kill more people every year ,than illegal substances 

if they could find away to make them legal with out losing face they would and then tax them as well. just like they tax our wages then tax the same wages that we bank tax us on our food and goods tax us on our pensions and just about everything elses , they would tax fresh air if they could thats if they could find any .

Shhhhh they might be reading this; don't give them ideas about taxing fresh air! They'll find a way. Imagine paying for breathing. 

it wouldnt surprize me if they found away hun 

did your steamer come.

There was a joke going around about taxing the air we breathe - wonder how much of that is or will come reality.

I smoked for over 35 years, it took a lot to get me to pack it in. I tried everything patches, gum, electronic fags, nothing worked!! I even had testicular cancer, had the operation in the afternoon and by the evening I was back out at the front of the hospital smoking, I remember a girl came over to me later that day and asked me for a light, so I gave her one. She then asked me "What are you in here for?", she was shocked when I said "Testicular Cancer" - she said "I can't believe you still smoke! after having cancer!" - I said "As far as I am aware testicular cancer is in no way connected to smoking!".

That girl I always remember from hospital because she was caught smoking in the showers of the hospital. Security escorted her to the front of the hospital. I only met her twice, because with TC you are basically in and out in a couple of days.

There is one thing that really bugs the hell out of me and that is when they shave you in the pubic hair region. They shave loads of and then still put on a huge dressing that is always so gawd dam larger than what they shaved off. In my case this has happened twice, one cut was from above the belly button to around what women would call the bikini line (and no jokes about bikinis or mankinis thank you! LOL). Even than one hurt like hell. The nurse that came to change it, said OMG this may hurt, I know - its been on their a couple days and its pulling like hell. Even she said I don't understand their mentality!

The last opration I had was the one that made me give up smoking, because there was an high probability that it would come back and you may not be so lucky. I thought Lucky, 2 major operations in 3 days would put anyone off and the pain that went with it. I was bed ridden for 3 weeks, so nearly a month before I could actually get out of bed. I had already said to my wife to go home, throw all the packets of cigarettes in the bin, with the ashtrays! I've quit.... even she was shocked! I said I've been in this place nearly a month and smoking as not even entered my mind. And from that day on, I have never touched one! You can do it, and without all the cr*p they say you need, it's will power and the source - take both away and the craving may be a week. I was in too much pain to care to be honest.

That was over 3 years ago now... I watch the prices go up and think, well I still don't own a Ferrari car, but I feel much better wiithout smoking - the smell of anyone that smokes now really does make me think I used to smell like that, it's gross!!

Regards,

Les,

If the air is taxed us smokers/ex smokers should pay less because we've inhaled less oxygen. In case you government people are reading!

I'd quite like to give up smoking Les but I'd rather not take the measures you had to go to thanks! 

The way I've managed it is by smoking American Spirit or Peublo tobacco, no nasty chemcals, just pure tobacco. That'll do me for now, one thing at a time.

its the nasty chemicals they put in cigs that cause most of the damage .tobacco actuly has some good proberties

Hi Georgia,

Don't get me wrong, I'm implying you smell....   

When you smoke you don't notice it at all. When you pack it in, then you do. And it is true what people say,

"People that smoked are far worse to complain about the smell - than those who have never smoked".

"People that smoke weed, now thats an instant give away!" - that really smells even people that smoke know that.

I can even smell it sat in my wheelchair as people walk by, you can smell it in their clothes. My middle son, tried smoking in his bedroom and had the door shut and blew the smoke out his bedroom window. When reutrned to the lounge I said to him "....and you can stop smoking in your bedroom!" - he turned around and said how did you know, I said can smell smoke anywhere in the house. lol He never did after I told him that.

Georgia, what I've been through in my life, I would not wish upon anyone - Those 2 major operations were because I was dying from the inside out, part of my intestines (about 50cm) was removed because it had turned gangrene, the operation 2 days later was because part of another gland had to be removed which was missed on the first operation, if the gangrene intestine touches anything else then that can start dying as well, which is what happened to me. The pain was atrocious, trying to stop coughing was impossible but very painful, holding a cushion against my chest.

Regards,

Les,

Oops!!!

Meant to read...

Don't get me wrong, I'm implying you don't smell...

Really, we need an EDIT button!  Alan Please consider this! I know this message box can use the EDIT function. Especially, for me!

You live with someone; I don't so the only person that could possibly complain is me and seeing as I don't seem to be complaining to myself then?

I've had operations too but nothing to do with smoking.

Yeah that's why I smoke the pure tobacco. I'd been smoking it for a few years and I ran out so I went to the shop and bought golden virginia.

Damn when I tried to smoke it I got the massivest headache; I couldn't smoke it! Because I've been used to the pure stuff. I breathe better and seeing as I'm not calm enough to give up it's the best alternative for me.

Hi Georgia,

It was strange to be honest... I had testicular cancer, that didn't frighten me at all - but the pain I had with the second 2 operations before and after, is something I wouldn't want to experience again, and a 10 month recovery period. But my surgeon did say to me, "You do realize, that the Testicular Cancer played a part to the intestine operation?", course there's me thinking how... Then, the surgeon wrote down on my chart what the operation was, and if I continued smoking there is a slight chance that it could occur again. That is what frightened me, the pain I went through and being on morphine and an epidural, plus two draining tubes that hurt like hell, they wrenched them out and just before said just a small bit of pain! I thought wow wtf now that bloody hurt, then they removed the second one the same way. I was that high on drugs I just sat there and watched them put the stitches in, and it didn't even hurt.

I guess I had been on so many painkillers including oralmorph, morphine and the epidural, nothing like a little needle would make a difference!

My father-in-law carried on smoking even after a triple heart bypass and so did my sister-in-law. My father lived for 2 years to the day before passing away. My sister-in-law still has a hold in her chest which got infected, but because she carried on smoking they are having problems with it healing. But she is diabetic Type 1 as well.

Anyway, Georgia everyone to their own as they say, and I didn't mean to send that message saying you smell, I need to read my messages before hitting "Reply" - most forums I use have a timed Edit feature which gives you a few minutes just to rectify such things, so I apologise for that incident.

I done it somewhere else as well, on these forums which was even worse! lol  Teach me for typing to quick and being an idiot for not re-checking my messages. You have my permission to do what you like...LOL

Regards,

Les.

We're all different and we're all going to die from something. The thing that really affects me the most is chemicals like perfumes, cleaning products etc. So I'm a hermit; I can't go near most people. My friends and family know not to wear them when they come here.

My life is so limited in this little bungalow that I'm not about to give up my American Spirit tobacco, studying for my degree even though it's as harsh as hell on my mind when all the advice is that I should be slowing my mind down.

I'm not going to give up drinking white wine now and then either, or riding my motorbike in the spring. Yes I'll have to force myself but I'll feel alive when I'm riding it, and happy.

I don't know if I'm getting through. I just want to live, a short while of living is better than a longer time of not living.

I am appalled at the professional's attitude to pain, that is the patient's pain. Your account was a clear but very sad example. Very recently I had, for no reason I can conceive of was required by the RULES to have my catheter replaced by overburdened A&E. I was shunted into a curtained cublical. I was given occasional brief attention and four and a half hours after first having a 'bursting' bladder I was unable to empty I had become a  gibbering idiot through the pain. The nurse camly set out her equipment and without looking at me said, " we'll soon have that discomfort ...." I was past caring at the unfealing unkindness at the time, but I have remembered. I fervently hope never ever to darken an A&E doorstep anywhere.

But I have encountered similar attitudes elsewhere, but in  less dramatic circumstanses. I fear that many doctors and nurses are in reality but technitians with no apparent responsibility for care towards the patient who carries the object requiring their technical attention.

i can remember when soap smelled of SOAP. I remember when people, if they smelled of anything, they smelled of people. Now when they pass me in the treet they assault me with their chemical perfumes. It is really intollerable. And why? So big businesses and oetrochemical giants can make money. In effect they make money by abusing us.

I am glad you can enjoy your bike when the warmer weather comes.

i am back using carbolic soap for hand washing like my nan.

O yes, reddy pink with a clean, clean smell. That gave me no trouble. Sunlight soap was good too. also a gentle soap. I remember it being used to scrub the floors. I think you can still get those scrubbing brushes with a wooden handle, wood bristles and longer bristes at the ends. We did not have it at home but friends did - Pears Coal Tar Soap. I lived its transparent colour.

(i did  not know it for decades after that my perpetual discomfort of my hands and feet was my reaction to any soap.)

Hi George,

I know that pain of a catheter all to well. But mine was under slightly different circumstances. It happened when I was in hospital for those last two operations. One night I was awake as normal, I can't sleep in hospitals, they are dire and depressive places and I really hate being admitted just for epileptic seizures but that happens as well, normally when the paramedics are running behind, they don't do all the normal checks and wait until you come around, it's a case of get him to A&E ASAP, which annoys me - mainly because in my case there is so many volumes of records.

Anyway, getting back to the catheter which I knew was blocked or malfunctioned. The amount of times I press the button for a nurse I lost account of. Eventually, one came and asked what was wrong, so I told them, they said your bag is nearly on empty so it's fine!!! I kept on pressing the buzzer due to the pain in the bladder, around 8 HOURS later a sister that I knew well came along, and asked me what was wrong, I told her - she said, give me 2 mins I know what's wrong. I will need to change the catheter for you, it sounds like its blocked. Anyway, she changed the catheter to a new one and what a relief!!

She wrote on my record, something along the lines of "Check this guys catheter regulary, and she aimed it at the Night Staff!" - after that I never had problems with the catheter again! But, that pain I was left in for so many hours was beyond caring as you put it. We get the same health care over here George, probably get better treatment if you were the President!

Regards,

Les.

it was used to scrub everything including foul mouthed children , first anticeptic soap to be used by surgeons .

iv got green it in green on a magnectic soap holder so you dont get guggy soap.no dry /or sore hands .

do you remember dot /vim/ in cardboard tubes that went soggy when left in the bathroom, flash cleans thru to the shine advert, and the george and mildred advert for formica  

 

heres a bible verse that iv just read that actuly made sense to me right now in my life ,no iv not gone relligous but if things speak to me i have no problem from where they come .and this spoke to me .

NOW

faith is confidence,in what we hope for 

and assurance about what we dont see. hebrews 11;1

Who decided that gravy should be brown? My grandmas gravy wasn't brown.

I wonder if God would get better treatment? 

Have you ever been in hospital in pain and waiting for a sleeping pill to help you sleep, but they've taken so long that you've fallen asleep, then they wake you up to give you a sleeping pill? Sheesh!

You know when they put drips up they insert a tube in the back of your hand. I have very skinny veins and I've been left for days with them in. It ends up hurting and every time I turn over in my sleep it's painful, going black with bruising and they just leave it in until I leave. The drip could be moved to the other hand within a few minutes?

Dear Les, 

A&E and now night staff. It is terrifying how the options are contracting. Quite appart from the agony, oops it seems the correct description for pain that turns you into a blubbering moaning groaning wreck is discomfort. Well true it is not comfort. Still in normal English usage it means a mildly unpleasant sensation that one would rather end. 

Hi Tiswas

We had those magnetic soap holders. I remember Vim and its yellow cardboard tube. It had a metal top with large holes.  And do you remember Harpic 'clean round the bend'.

Do you remember soap collecting? I had Tweety Pie, Snoopy, a green dragon and all kinds around our bath. Used to collect soap, now I make it!

Hi Tiswas,

Yes that speaks to me too. Powerful. We should add that to Frustrated's life after death discussion

That is right Georgia. When I was young gravy was clear with fat and brown flecks. Only salt was added. It was delicious. I blame the Bisto Kids for thick brown gravy.

Yes it gets really really sore.

Lol George!  I loved my grandma's gravy but I hated school gravy and my mums.

'Love they neighbour'. Seeing the best in the people who are with us?

yep i do 

Gawd, George and Mildred I remember that well...LOL  I used to watch "Love They Neighbour" - that is hilarious, and there's episodes on YouTube - I just watched a couple! LOL Gawd, the names white and black people called each other then! and the Chinky was called Fu Manchu! I used to watch Fu Manchu and think it was brill, these days I look back, what did I see in that! lol

These days that would be a classed as a rascist programme, but back in the 60's & 70's it was all the normal sayings, sambo, snowflake, a spade a spade! LOL I recall someone mentioned that recently.

Today's generation is just way over the top, everything must be politically correct. There's a video going around YouTube which they are trying to keep in front of which is 5 young white girls singing and clapping "If you all hate the ***** clap your hands!" - obviously someone has taught them, trouble is, it went viral, and people are uploading on many other sites on new accounts.

So, really in around 40+ years the generations have changed that much, I was taught black was a black person, these days even that can be wrong. What I don't understand is a coloured person can call themselves anything really, but if it comes from a white person it is racist. Even my own daughter says the same applies in her school.

Regards,

Les.

its all totaly in sane if you have a weight problem they can call you fat lard arse lazy greedy thats fine but if your talking about black ,gay. or asian , you have to watch what you say . 

not everyone whos over weight is greedy , most weight issues are emotional , and some are due to illness . iv tried 3 diets and really stuck to them i never lost even a pound, on any of them . one of the diets was even stricker than the atkins , 

i gave up bread ,cheese,sugar  butter, potaoes, pastry, all root veg, and loads of other things , for a whole 3 months ,most normal people would expect to loose at least a stone in that time considering that all this stuff is what doctors tell you makes you fat, i lost 0.

so its not always someones fault if they are over weight.but we all get clubbed together.and branded the same fat lazy and greedy .

Peace Pale Face 

I'll tell you what used to really go down well was Bread & Dripping.... usualy from when my dad used to cook the beef. He always made sure we had loads. My brother hated it...

It  used to be poured in a pyrex dish... and left to stand then put in the fridge. Then when teatime come, it was a nice thickly cut piece of bloomer bread and dripping plastered over the top. I used to dig down through the main fatty lard and get to the thick dark brown yummmy bit. Then add the last ingredient, salt on top... I used to like it that much I used to have 3 large pieces of bloomer bread with it on!

You sound utterly in Heaven remembering that Les! I never had it but grandma used to make the best strangled eggs ever! 

how wicked fancy strangling her eggs first . you must have serious brain fog hun .

Sheesh, didn't you know you're supposed to strangle them? 

When my son was little he thought it was funny when I called them strangled eggs. 

i never did like dripping i don tknow why but the stock underneath made fab gravy and soups , and boiled down bones made great broth chicken or beef 

and it gave us gelatin in our diet that helped with our digestion mostly gone now but iv decided that grandma knew best and i am making broth tonight in my slow cooker , 

Can I have some? I made a chicken roast for the first time in ages! Still enjoying the cold chicken and call me old fashioned but I make my stuffing from scratch! 

Yeah, and it's amazing! So fast. If I hadn't been a skinflint waiting for the crap one to die I would've saved loads of money on electric! 

yes i dont blame you at least you know whats gone into it.

iv just cooked 2 chickens one organic so thats the carcus in the slow cooker and some root veg now fingers crossed it will be .tasty soup for tomorrow lunch .

well i have a go next time . just before the white van fetches me

Yum! I have some cod and I'm going to make chowder, fish soup to the uninitiated.

It might be more effort but if I lived on ready meals I would probably have hit the celestial skies already!  

more and more youngesters are living on that junk[ready meals]

and more and more are having stomach problems.

my step son has to have steriods and other meds for stomach troubles.

because he eats junk and drinks those red bulls and drinks alot of fruit juices and soft drinks, i am pretty sure if he went back to drinking tea and water and eating a better diet he would have no need for the pills.

i dont think i have had a very good succes with the chicken broth . 

i would prefer beef broth any way , but trying to get beef bones from grass fed cows you would think you were asking for the moon.

iv read a fare bit the last couple of days on beef broth its got a whole load of good stuff in it that we need , proberly why our grandparents never had such stomach and health problems as we do

.and would answer my question as why i am better when i eat beef and lamb and why i like it so much because my body is searching for the protiens and gelatine in the meat which obvisuly i need .i remember now my nan making soup sometimes with marrow bones that is so good for you . .

iv also found i think a possiable way of getting hold of a certain oil that may help my  recovery . so fingers crossed i shall order some monday if i can they have the price in £s so hopefully i will ba able to get.

I know a couple that live on carbohydrated drinks, energy drinks and ALL meals are out of the microwave. Neither, of them can cook and the size of them is incredible.

I known them for years, at first the girl moved in with the guys family, so they were having proper food every day.

Now, it's got to be at least 24 years later, they are huge - both have health issues, the woman has breating issues and guy has asthma and high blood-pressure.

Personally, I could not live like them, 4 dogs, 4 cats, gawd knows how many rabbits and guinea pigs they have is mad. And they live in a 2 Bedroomed bungalow. Oh, at one point it was 16 cats!! They were investigated and told to get new homes for many of them. But I noticed they are creeping back up with pets.

Regards,

Les.

god the food industry and removing cookery classes from schools have a lot to answer for . oh yes and bloody supermarkets biggest cause of obesity that and the increase of junk food outlets. remember when it was mostly chippys ,the odd chinnes or indian takeaway and a wimpy.

people are to lazy nowadays you wanted to eat in the past you cooked now you lift the phone . dont get me wrong theres nothing wrong as a treat but some people just dont no when enough is enough ..and all those sugary drinks 

it was a treat for us as kids . 

but while the goverment makes big fat profits of the taxes of these places they will keep allowing more and more of them to open and getting more and more people fat .

and all those animals i love animals really do but you got to talk sense 

iv got two dogs and its to much , the second was my daughters that we got saddled with not thru choice . people shouldnt be allowed to keep so many its not fair on the animals and certainly not the neighbours . 

 

I read about marrow; I tried to find out if any local butcher could give me marrow, give me bones but I couldn't find anyone.

I can't eat beef now because it gives me heartburn but I eat lamb stew.

I have a vegetarian friend who's always telling me not to eat meat but she had to have blood transfusions because she was lacking in iron! My diet's better than hers because most of what she eats is white bread, cakes, chocolate etc.

A Master Herbalist said to me 'Better a good meat eater's diet than a bad vegetarian one.

 It takes all sorts! Perhaps they're happy that way. Not healthy obviously but then neither are we. 

i think its right a good meat eaters diet is best never seen a healthy veggie

linda mcartney never looked healthy and she still died young, from breast cancer. and as soya excelrates breast cancer and her food was mostly soya makes you wonder.

we are not healthy hun because of life  ,stress and the chemicals that go to make up this world. 

stress is a big killer people dont take it seriously it cause all kinds of health problems. 

Fish soup can be great food. Sometimes full of chunks of fish, sometimes thin after boiling the bones and carefully straining. The disadvantage is that the kitchen door must be kept closed and the kitchen aired. It is worth that little trouble to have the chowder.

Georgia, when you start your new Discussion I have an anecdote for it. I could post it here but your new Discussion sounds fun. Will anecdotes are welcome on it?

Hi Georgia, I go with your Master Herbalist. A good vegetarian diet is very hard work. In addition to iron (to much is a problem too) vitamine B12 shortage can also be a problem for vegitarians.

cant stand fish 

people who have had stomach surgery or have ME /FIBRO OFTEN ALSO defiencent in b12

With you all the way on that tiswas!

I said it wrong too, he said 'A bad meat eater's diet is better than a bad vegetarian one!

I put spinach and all kind of healthy things in my chowder! 

Why don't we call it George and Georgias world of fun?

We'd sound like child molesters in a fun fair! 

Hey Les, just heard that the channel tunnel is underwater!!!!

I've told my mum to move upland and inland so many times! She's in a flood area.

Dear Tiswas, I do hope the oil works. If it from USA there is usually not problem when paying by credit card except the deivery. There may be customs duty but that is settled on the web.

We have a farm about 10 miles away. They rear Dexters organically. We used to go there. . I eat very little meat now but we used to really enjoy the beef. Maybe there is a farm like that near you.

I live far too close to main rivers, in 2007 we were cut off completely from the outside world. No internet, no electric, no water, etc. huge tankers by the army were brought in so we could flush our toilets, drinking water was delivered in bottles... At night, no one could see no street lights....

It was back to candles and trasnsistor radios for news. The kids were bored, we charged up a DVD player from the car battery!

It was a very daunting experience, and one that I would not want to see again, we were about 1-2 inches from flooding, the people a few doors down from us were flooded, and given mobile homes for 7 months before they could return to normality, or what was left.

We were left with a brown sludge, which stank from sewage works... it was like it for miles around us. We did try to get out the day after the main floods, but it was like driving in something like a zombie movie we had to dodge cars that had been washed across roads, no one in them, just abandoned.... it was very eerie feeling! Finally, we found some people, and police we asked if the road ahead is passable, We were told, if you go through this way the chances of returning is nil... and then he pointed out why, what used to be a little stream was a wide embankment of about 20ft, in places it was already bursting - my wife said lets turn back we are not going this way.... less than 5 minutes it burst and flooded the road behind us, we had to drive through a river to get that far, so we were hoping it hadn't rose any higher! That flood took down a 12ft RAF fence from the shear force, lucky our car was a high 4 x 4 even so, we still had to keep the revs up to stop water getting in...

Since then flood barriers have been highered but not enough, the last flood a few years ago nearly come over the top and took out the main transformer in the town. No one can predict these floods anymore, no knows how high they will go these days... its a case of predicting the unknown!

Think about it... London is sinking by about 6-12 inches evey 100 years, mainly from the shear diameter which is now well over 25 miles square.

At some point the artic or antartic is going to break apart when that happens the world as we know it will change forever, coastal areas will be first to go and low-level areas, rivers will rise and wipe out many people, there is more water than land on this planet, and the population just continues to grow, and houses are being built on flood planes, even where we live 50,000 new properties by 2020.

Perhaps scientists are correct... there will not be a time for a WW3, instead nature will take over what it started.

Thanks Tiswas,

I think your supermarket issue is worthy of its own Discussion, especially from those of us who remember grocers, greengrocers, fishmongers, ironmongers, dairies, drapers, electricians, Add to that rationing in the 1940s and 50s. How many obese then. How come we have malnurished obese today? 

Hope to hear from 'old codgers' and older (i am a wartime model).

well fingers crossed.

marrow bones for soup loads of geletine that helps heal many things .and we have forgotten how and why our g.parents did stuff.

now its the latest graze in the USA  and still the oldest medincine beef broth

 

I can't imagine what that must have been like Les! 

I'm not sure how many people realise how fast sea levels are rising. Mum lives near the sea in a small town with a little river running through it. It keeps bursting its banks and though she's not close enough for it to have flooded her house yet it could happen!

I'm extremely high up, 40 odd miles from the sea between Dartmoor and Exmoor, yet our roads get flooded.

I found out that a man, I forget his job title, used to come and maintain the drainage systems, but since the council took over, people who live miles away and don't know the village don't have the time or skills to do it properly. I assume that's the case all over the country.

Skilled workmanship is disappearing. 

 

Georgia, these days we take so much for granted, what we don't take in to account is the unexpected.

I'm captivates me is the world itself, I even bought all of David Attenborough's Blu-Ray series on The Planet series, they did not come cheap either cost me well over £100 - but watching them, and seeing the boundaries of our planet is facsinating.

I always thought you were in the US, lol not the UK! Goes to show, my meds are taking over! You mentioned Dartmoor, in Devon if I remember rightly. My gawd the times I've been through that area when I was a kid we always went and stopped about half way I think in a place called "Widecombe-in-the-Moor" - a really nice and visually attractive village. The moors always brings back memories of my dads first car in the late 60's, the old Morris Minor with flip-out indicators on the sides! However, one year we were going through Dartmoor and the exhaust started "rattling" I was thinking "uh oh!" - and not long after the exhaust fell off the car! My dad stopped the car, we were in the middle of nowhere!

Ny dad drove the car like it was to Cornwall, Falmouth which is where we were staying and then took it to a garage. I remember we went on a boat trip on the River Fal. We even went to Land's End, and seen the "First & Last House in Britain", that sold souveniers. We always went to places in Devon or Cornwall, but back then we had nice sunny weather, unlike what we get for now for Summer.

I think the last time we went to Dartmoor was way back in the 70's! These days, we only go as far as Wales, because I cannot handle long journey's anymore. Shame really Devon and Cornwall have some very nice attractions in many towns and villages.

Tiswas thought I was American because I'm called Georgia. I was named after the Ray Charles song 'Georgia on my Mind'.

My family lived in Penzance before we moved to Devon and I remember St Michaels's Mount fondly, Falmouth, going on holiday in St Ives and so much more. 

I'm in paradise in this tiny village in Devon. After living in towns and cities in the inbetween years, well never again.

When we went to Dartmoor as kids we were always thrilled and a little scared by the tales of the Dartmoor prison. Don't know if it's still there.

Sorry I mean Bodmin Moor, the prison there! My memories get a little mixed up sometimes.

Ye Tiswas. Those seem to be the main stealth killers and robbers of quality of life. They are so insidious it is diffcult to see them as death creaping up on tiptoe.

on the subject of gravy from the other day . how many still make it with vegatable water i do .

'tapping at my chamber door—' Poe

My uncle used to save it to drink.

i know we had to as well when we didnt have gravy

prefered the gravy.

Just to balance it out he used to eat raw garlic cloves and stink the house out! I was doing a liver cleanse when I moved to the village and they nick named me the garlic woman! 

garlic love it but it no longer likes me it gives hearburn and diroreah 

Oh my, We had day trips Penzance many times. St Michaels Mount, thats where you could drive out to, as long as you got back before the tide beat you back. St Ives been there as well. Westward Ho! in Devon we stayed there a few times and Newquay. My mother had family that lived in Paignton, Devon, so we stayed there a few times in a caravan and drove to various places for day trips. Bodmin Moor rings a bell, I guess at some point our dad drove us through there....

I even got some embrassing slides of my brother and myself with St Micheals Mount in the background. I found the a huge box of holiday snaps, stood around in those horrid shorts of the 60's & 70's - It's not until you look back in time, that you remember so many things you have done over the years. I remember my dad getting the screen out and projector and showing us the slides from years ago to friends and family.

I found the slides when I had to help clean the house out when he passed away, so I ordered a slide scanner so I could save them as digital photographs. I've only done a few becase the scanner will only scan 1 at tiime with a 5 slide viewer, so it would take me ages to do.

When you mention towns and cities, were you refering to out Cornwall and Devon? The part you mentioned about Tiswas regarding your name is exactly how took it, I guess it throws people off track! lol

"Bodmin Jail is a historic former prison situated in Bodmin, on the edge of Bodmin Moor in Cornwall. Built in 1779 and closed in 1927, the large range of buildings is now largely in ruins" - So, yes it is still there and people visit even now. There is so many places they say is "the most haunted in Britain", but are they? I know The Ram Inn by me is supposed to be "the most haunted place in Britain" as well - I know 3 of my friends stayed there one night, well, that actually changed to 2, one of them had enough and slept in the car. The other 2 kids didn't - and what happened to them defies science. Nothing actually happened in the place one told me, but it was what happened after! A few days later one kids lost both parents in a horrific crash on the M5. The other kid that stayed in that place went strange after returning home, He got a gun from his house and just went out the house shooting randomly at people, in the end he was sectioned for 3 years. I never knew what happened to the one that lost his parents because he emigrated to the US not long after. I still find that strange to this day... Both said they seen a guy in the same room, but what happened after that I don't know. The guy they described was definitly not the owner, who was supposedly possessed, so people say.

yes its normaly georgina in the uk .not georgia .

I've had friends that lived in Westward Ho! It actually has the exclamation mark in the name because a famous writer wrote about it that way, can't remember his name. Lovely place. Pebbled beach.

I lived in Torbay: Torquay, Paingnton and Brixham but at different times obviously because I can't spread myself that thin. Brixham was my favourite.

It's great that you have those memories of your dad! 

I've lived in a lot of places, and the biggest one was Birkenhead, my dad's neck of the woods. I liked it then but I'm a quieter person now and I can't do traffic noice, the pollution, violent crime etc.

In my village we have the oldest thatched inn in devon and it's definitly haunted! But not in a bad, scary way.

 

I guess your place has a low ceiling? One of my aunties lived in Prestbury, not that far from me, and her cottage I had to keep my head down, that is when I could stand up straight, and I'm roughly 6'1" tall both my sons are nearly as tall as me, my daughter is creeping up gradually, she's 5'5" and we all call my wife the Little One, at 5' 3" - not really small, but she is in our house. lol

Then again, they say the older you get you start to shrink....  I haven't noticed that yet, probably next on the agenda!

I have a very good memory of my dad, and so does my brother. There used to be a photograph that his mum took of him in his teens. The amount of times we took the mickey of him in that photograph was unreal. Now, I still got 3 suitcases to go through, and as of yet I have never found that photograph.

Every other photograph I can imagine we have found apart from one. I reckon, and so does my brother that he got rid of it or hid it somewhere.

The reason we all took the mickey out of him was he was doing a pose for his mother while gardening, that was fine, but the clothes back in those days, oh my gawd - not even I would wear, they look like he had 50lb sacks of potatoes on each leg, they were that wide, it was taken around 1945 to 1948 we worked it out to, using my nan who was still with us back then, she passed away in the early 1990's sadly. Thats the one I mentioned previously with the hand-written bible under her bed. Even her bed was very old, it was solid brass and always kept sparkling clean, every month she used to clean it with a softt duster and use "Brasso" on it. That stuff was good we used to clean our coins with it, I know sad it may seem - back then we did alsorts of things people wouldn't dream of today.

History....goes on forever!

Speak up, you've got so short down there I can't hear you! 

I'm in a bugalow so I have normal height ceilings. I'm so glad I don't have stairs now. When I first got ME and lived in my old town I had to walk up 5 flights of stairs bringing the shopping home. 

Cleaning coins might not be a bad idea because of the germs transmitting viruses and things around.

You've made me laugh about old fashioned clothes. My grandma was a thin lady but she used to hang the most enormous navy blue bloomers on the line, remember bloomers? They may have just seemed enormous to me because I was little though.

Yes even the coins were solid cupranickle. Try a magnet on modern coins. Tells you there is a mild steel core. But then away back before the newfrank French coins were made out of a very light alloy. 

Why don't twe use that lightalloy and save wear on our purses and pockets?

no hun they were known amoungest other names 

as apple gatherers .all safely gathered in .

Oh well, that assumption was wrong! lol I always associate very old houses or bungalows with low ceilings. In Tewkesbury, just a couple of miles from me, the houses are all old in the center of the town, the outside is all timber painted in black and white, most places you have to step down to get into. My daughters dentist is that town, you sit the waiting room thinking how the hell would you wallpaper a place like this, to yourself, all the walls are slanted - it is like going back in time. Even the dentist is weird in design, because you can tell at some point the Waiting Room was an alley way! But now has a glass roof, and huge sewerage pipes coming down the wall from upstairs.

5 flights of stairs, oh my - there's no way I could cope with that many. On a very good day, and I feel that I can do it, I will climb one flight of stairs at my doctors surgery! Typical, because she's the top doctor she gets the largest room in the surgery, and it's on the first floor! I normally have to ask at reception if they can send her down to see me.

Talking about cleaning, you reminded me of a science program I used to watch, it was one of these programmes where the public ask the questions, some of the questions were totally stupid.

One that I'll always remember was "Are women cleaner than men?", to me I would of said "yes", but the fact even I said was totally wrong! And the scientists proved it, and I thought oh my gawd, I didn't even think of it like that. They got a man and a woman, and they wore the same underwear for 12 hours, and put them under a microscope! They actually worked it out that a woman was 400 times dirtier than a man. They fed the woman and the man on baked beans at the start of the programme, neither of them went to the toilet for a No.2 (I'm being polite! lol), but both went to the toilet three times for No.1.

How they measured their conclusion I personally think was wrong, it would have given the results that they had, a worse result for women anyway.

Here's why: The man was given boxer shorts to wear, the woman had near enough a G-string. Now, remember what they were given to eat prior to the experiment, Baked Beans known to cause flatulence. So, throughout the 12 hours both were emitting gas, and microscopic bits of faeces. From that the scientists stated that woman produced 400% more flatulence than men. But if you think about it, this would be correct, considering the man wore boxer shorts, hence less microscopic faeces. To me that was not a fair experiment at all.

There were other facts but I thought oh my gawd, we have never looked at it like that before. Now, this one I would agree with considering they used UV light so the result could easily be monitored. If you have a combined Toilet and Bathroom/Shower/Wash Basin then this would apply to you. The scientists put a substance in the toilet so they could see using UV equipment just how bad it was.

Hope you are ready for this...lol  Firstly, this experiment was tried with the Toilet lid shut and then again it was tried with it open, both had the same effect but not has bad with the seat down. They flushed the toilet which as you know causes a 'plume' effect, so whatever is in the toilet is sprayed in micro-droplets everywhere in the bathroom, and they done the same with the seat up. This is why you should always shut the lid down. The substance they had put down the toilet, and after the 'plume' had gone. They showed the same room with a UV Camera, needless to say, there was the substance up the walls, in the wash basin and even in the bath. But it did not stop there, it was all over tooth brushes, a glass and other things like flannels, towels, etc. Now, remember to close the seat, it won't it all, but its better than no seat lid open! lol

Gawd, Georgia bloomers yes I do remember them... my nan used to hang hers on the line for everyone to see. I'll never understand why they were so big though, I used to tower above my nan and she was only small, and small build.

Cleaning coins... have you ever seen the facts on coins, notes, signature machines that they give you to sign at your doorway for a delivery? There are other items as well but its a long list. When I told my 75 year old mother-in-law this she will not sign those machines if you have to use your finger on the screen - she even keeps a box of anti-bacterial wipes by the front door! lol...

Now, the fact which has been proved numerous times, 95% of what you handle in a day is carrying dried faeces!!!

I know, you didn't want to know all that! LOL

Regards,

Les.

Are you talking about grannys bloomers or bloomin' apples? 

LOL... I meant grannies bloomers! look like they are blown up!

He should have been arrested for blowing up granny's bloomers! 

You have to careful what you hang on the washing lines these days! Anne Summers sexy outfits get stolen.... Not that I would know personally! LOL

it was a nick name for them ,apple gatherers.

 

they often wore a smaller pr of breifs underneath plus 2 vests and a bra and a slip on top they knew how to wear underware in them days ,

my nan was cross when i started to wear a bra because i no longer wore a vest..your catch cold have trouble with chest . i never .

Lol! I'm alright; I wear boxer shorts. 

That's where I got confused; men have things that need gathering but women don't? And men didn't wear bloomers. 

it was just a nick name for them because they were so big ,that you could gather apples in them . 

All safely gathered in"   Tiswas, that is priceless. I had a lovely laugh. 

My wife was in the OTC at university. Great to get some extra spending money. She was issued as were all the girls with khaki bloomers. Bullet proof they called them and also passion killers. I was never allowed to see these wonders although I was on the scene at the time.

I had forgotten how secretive females were as far as males were concerned.

theres not much sexy about anne summers outfits .

i think sexy is a proper silk robe and nightgown clinging to the body showing very little but promising a lot .

like those hollywood stars used to wear in those old films of the 40/50s 

not surprized if they were wearing them horrors .

i remember an episode of rising damp where rigsby said to phil ,dont cast aspersions on miss jones. have you seen her underware she still wears harvest festivals all safely gattered in. still makes me laugh

Oh now the penny drops! That didn't occur to me. I suppose they'd have to tie the legs up. Hopefully not with grannies in them. 

well i am lead to believe so .they used to tie up the legs and hold out there bloomers and collect the apples like i said they did where another pr of shorter pants underneath .i am also led to believe that older women of the shop lifting sort used  to hide grocereys in them.believing if arrested a policeman wouldnt search there .

i havnt made an indepth search into this but what iv picked up from social history progs and old sitcomes and the older generation it certainly seems the case .  but i wouldnt swear to it. 

Wow apple scrumping in bloomers, and shoplifting. There's clearly a lot I didn't know about grannys! 

Hi Tiswas, I had quite forgotten. It was from my aprenticeship days when I did the dumb end of checking. It was a famous case concerning a lady's underwear manufacturer. They were loosing a lot of pants. So staff bags were searched on departure. No success and the losses continued. The staff were searched but no double pants discovered. The losses continued. Then  they searched the staff on arrival at work. The losses stopped.

Well Tiswas, I seem to remember bloomers were tied round the waist and just above each knee. Some had elastic instead of ties. I have never seen bloomers in the big clothes stores. Did they die out with the loss of drapers and ladies outfitters from our high streets?

the last place i saw them as a child was in the co op clothing apartment in about 1967. you buy them on ebay if your desperate , apparently some men have a thing about them .

on women of course .

How hilarious George! Newspaper headline: Diabolical Grannys Steal Pants. The judge was red faced when they showed him the evidence. 

Lol Funnily enough I wear boxer shorts and apparently that can be quite a turn on! They're similar to bloomers. I disovered that wearing them is great when I sometimes borrowed my sons. Only the ones he'd grown out of and I hadn't thrown away yet! He grew out of them quite fast.

LOL @ Georgia!

Don't tell me your boxers are ones with all the cartoons and outragous sayings on them. Some of my sons are terrible but funny, but they seem all the rage these days.

 

I don't need cartoon emblelishment Les, I'm a women with front openings in my pants! And no, I'm not a Lesbian, just a woman who prefers practical, comfortable clothes, especially riding my motorbike. I just blew my defence apart then didn't I! 

Just to explain Les they do make womens boxers but they're really expensive and being practical I prefer buying mens cotton 12 packs, even if they do have buttons or openings on the front.

Oh! Georgia we have very different ideas of bloomers. My memory of them is that they are of prodigious size (one pair could hold half a bushle of apples). It starts round the waist and goes baggily down to the knees in acres of pink, beige or for the army khaki. Boxers are very tame. 

Boxers are the closest a woman can get to bloomers these days. I don't want to wear a piece of string, or white lace triangles that gets dyed pink in the wash!  

Women's clothing isn't practical and I'm slim so I've always suited boyish clothing while pulling off looking feminine. I'm just talented that way. I've gotta be good at something.

This is all wonderfully amusing. A great tonic. I had to buy two five packs of boxers . I had a painful nappy rash and needed the freedom while I battled with it. I had not realised my catheter was leaking very slowly. You would not believe how far those few drops caused nappy rash. I got a perscription. It was my GP's idea. The tube said in BIG letters 'nappy rash'. Gradually the affected area ontracted. and all is well again. If I were a baby it would have been a bad case of neglect. Poor infants, what they have to suffer on their sensitive, sensitive skin.

So now I am back in slips. I find them the most comfirable day and night for the catheter. The messages are quite irrelevant, so long as the slips are a nice snug fit. 

This theme on Boxers reminds me of my swim wear boxers and one very embarressing time we went on holiday in Burnham-on-sea. Nice place and there was our family of 4, we didn't have our daughter back then.

Everyday, was really hot and on caravan camp was a swimming pool, course I'm quite tall anyway, and I cannot swim either. This part was an accident but I shouldn't have done it....lol  There was a girl near me, anyway she was in a huge rubber ring, course by mistake she splashed all the cold water over me, and I had only just got in so it was freezing!! So, this girl splashed me, and thinking it was funny went to do it again, but I whacked the side of the rubber ring and she went flying out, I thought oops! that wasn't meant to happen, by this time I ducked down in the water and gradually creeped to the side of the pool, but not where the steps were to climb out. 

I thought I would be really clever, so I turned around so my arse was facing the pool wall, put my arms on the sides of the pool wall, and without thinking (embarressing part!!) I just jumped up, course what

happened!! Well, my swim wear shorts just sucked inwards and down - I thought oh SH*T - flashing everything to everyone including all the kids!!

Loads of people laughing at me, and my boxer swim wear shorts led on the bottom of the pool, I quickly ran the best I could without flashing too many people to a bush and asked my wife to grab my boxers in the pool. Bearing in mind people were still in hysterics and looking over at me trying to hide behind the bush. Well, after my 5 minutes of streaking and flashing everyone my wife got my shorts back to me! I thought thank gawd! What people didn't what happened first was as I tried jumping out the pool, the air that sucked my boxers inwards also slammed my back against the pool wall. There was a sign in red writing next to the pool Do not Dive or try Jumping out of this pool!!!

Even to this day, the kids and my wife bring that pool incident up!! I'll never live it down, thats for sure. There have been many incidents over the years, but its not me on the receiving end!

Posted by Anonymous! LOL

So we have a severe case of role reversal, you in slips and me in boxers.  Hey whatever turns you on!

By Anonymous, eh, Ah wud never guess that the lad wee the boxers o'r his heid wis Les.

That is a rare necdote. Many thanks Le . . .,. An oni mouse is jist an any old mouse.

Cheeky! 

Ach it's a broad windy nicht, No nips and wee queens ate the bradys, better get the bloomers out boys!

Mmmmm ? I should love to hear you say " Ach it's a braw bricht moonlicht nicht the nicht misses Richt. "     Not that it is. It is cold, wet and windy.