GCA Experiences
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The discussions on this site tend to centre around PMR and they are always interesting and often useful. However I would like some input from others who suffer from GCA. I went blind in one eye about 14 years ago and saw a consultant at Moorfields who said nothing could be done. PMR and GCA were not diagnosed. More recently I started to lose the sight in the other eye and went very deaf. I had already been diagnosed with PMR and given low doses of prednisalone which did help a little. Like so many contributors to this site I found GPs varying wildly in their prescriptions of prednisalone. One called 10mg a high dose and wanted me off them as quickly as possible; another said I should increase the dose.
Eventually I saw a consultant opthalmologist and a consultant rheumotologist, but even they did not agree on the dosage of prednisolone. Finally they agreed on a massive dose of 60mg pd which I have been reducing gradually. I am now down to 22mg pd. I do not have a great deal of pain from the PMR but am largely confined to a wheelchair, while the loss of sight and deafness are worsening. I do not expect miracles and the restoration of my sight and hearing but I would like to prevent them worsening further.
So, has anyone had a similar experience and have they managed to halt the progressive loss of sight and hearing? I am most anxious to hear other peoples' experiences.
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constance.de audrey25251
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EileenH audrey25251
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If you follow this link within this site:
https://patient.info/forums/discuss/pmr-gca-and-other-website-addresses-35316
you will find a thread with various information links. The first is to the NE of England support group site which has a lot of info and stories from patients and then the next link is to their forum where there are a few ladies with GCA. The lady who got that support group set up had GCA and I think there is a helpline there and I am sure there are other GCA patients to be contacted but who don't use the forum.
In the second post on that thread you will find a link to the HealthUnlocked forum where there are also more people with GCA, how many I'm not sure because they often don't tend to differentiate between having PMR and GCA and I don't know them as well.
I know there are a few who have suffered serious loss of vision because of GCA but I can't remember anyone with similar problems to you. Did the eye specialist at Moorfields suggest WHY you lost sight in the first eye? Certainly once the sight in one eye has gone in GCA it can be a struggle to save the other, vision usually goes within a few weeks, and there is nothing to be done since it is nerve damage that is the cause and that is irreversible.
However, I will have a shout out to the people who frequent this forum occasionally as well as the others - but do please feel able to come and join the other forums.
tina-uk_cwall audrey25251
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Audrey, as much as you have enough on your plate to put it mildly, you really must arm yourself with as much information as possible so that when you visit these so called experts you have lots of questions that will require answers and if they don't answer them in line with what you have read up on, politely submit another reason for why things are not quite as they should be, and await their reasons for why they are approaching your treatment plan in a particular way.
all the best, christina
MrsO-UK_Surrey audrey25251
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I have had both PMR and GCA. Had a really difficult journey to diagnosis which saw me in bed for several months and travelling to rheumatology appointments by ambulance and wheelchair. That experience resolved but it wasn't until the symptoms of what turned out to be GCA arrived on the scene that I was finally diagnosed and treated. In the 3.5 weeks with the GCA symptoms, my vision was very blurry and it did deteriorate from my previous perfect vision but somehow luckily I'm blessed that I didn't lose it.
It is unusual that there don't appear to be many GCA sufferers posting on this site, whereas the NE forum has a few who post and the HealthUnlocked forum has many contributors who have GCA, and I'm sure you will find it of benefit being in touch with those suffering similarly.
Have you been in touch with the RNIB and similar socieities - I am sure they will be able to provide you with a lot of advice?
I have been in remission from both PMR and GCA for about 2 years, having reduced to zero steroids from a starting dose of 40mg. It did take some 6+ years to get there.
I do hope you are under a good rheumatologist - whereabouts are you?
noninoni audrey25251
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Anyway, my friend is a dynamite person whom it is a pleasure to know. She taught me sign language and she also reads braille. She said once that you really need to learn braille because if your vision completly goes and you are deaf, you are lost. Recently she has had painful shoulders too, so I told her about PMR. She still speaks and reads lips beautifully, so when I met her I had naively asked her why she had a blind person's cane.
So my best idea for you Audrey is contact a blind charity and see if you can begin to study braille, and contact a deaf institute for help with sign language. These are both fun to learn, especially sign language, and I feel sure you will enjoy them both.
misdiagnose audrey25251
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I have the following advice (having had some appalling treatment myself):
Write a list of questions, such as: How can I prevent further damage to my temporal (and possibly other) arteries?
Find an advocate to accompany you to your appointments.
Put in writing your vasculitis journey
Record your appointments on a mobile phone so you have a record of the consultation.
My prayers are with you.
carol16456 audrey25251
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misdiagnose audrey25251
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I think the word 'remission' is a misnomer (only the doctors who have been involved in PMR and GCA can misname quite so competently). I prefer the word 'managed' ie controlled through medication.
I think it's high time patients with PMR and GCA insisted on proper nomenclature as this would save immense confusion amongst not only patients and relatives but nurses and other professionals.
EileenH misdiagnose
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You are so right about the use of the word "remission" - there are two definitions: one is drug induced and the other is natural. The charities are working hard to educate at all levels and the research group in Leeds is led by 2 consultants who are passionate about that. Things are improving, there is far more awareness than even 5 years ago. Patients participate in medical training, teaching medical students about our side of PMR and GCA, and this does appear to be bearing fruit in that often it is locums or trainee GPs who suspect or identify the illnesses. There is a need to extend this but it requires motivated and committed participation. A research student is being supported by the NE support group who also have invested in education in the past.
linda17563 audrey25251
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misdiagnose audrey25251
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misdiagnose audrey25251
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EileenH misdiagnose
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The greatest problem remains the combination of there being no definitive test for PMR/GCA and the reliance of a certain generation of doctors who trained just as laboratory tests were exploding onto the scene on sending away a blood sample. They struggle with the idea of "normal range", believing it is written in stone rather than covering only 95% of a population, forgetting the 2 1/2 % at each end in those little corners.
But the "your pulses are fine" comment sounds as if someone was confusing VASCULITIS and VASCULAR DISEASE. Really NOT quite the same thing, although in the long term the first can lead to the second.
linda17563 EileenH
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EileenH linda17563
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In PMR the autoimmune disorder causes inflammation as the immune system attacks your body by mistake, thinking your own cells are invaders likes viruses and bacteria. This causes swelling and that is painful in itself, like an insect bite. In addition, if the blood vessels are affected the space in the middle where the blood flows along narrows, a bit like hard water bungs up the water pipes. This means less blood, and less oxygen gets to the tissue - which matter when you try to exercise and that causes pain. Because of the inflammation you often get raised ESR and CRP. Pred is one of the most effective antiinflammatory drugs available and it works in PMR, very little else does although a few of the newer drugs appear to help some people. They are mega expensive though and some can have some very nasty side effects. Some of the latest research is suggesting HOW it works in PMR and GCA - pred affects white cells called neutrophils, neutrophils have been found in the areas affected by GCA inflammation, pred probably inactivates them somehow. Knowing this may make it possible to find drugs that target that more specifically.
In fibromyalgia for some reason your brain isn't able to process the pain signals it receives normally. Some researchers think that there is some tissue damage originally, like bruises or overworked muscles, that signal their pain but the brain has become very sensitive to it and magnifies how bad it is - I'm not saying you are imagining it or exaggerating what you feel, the brain is just getting too many signals and so what you feel is out of proportion to the damage. I have no idea why your consultant mentioned the spine as it has nothing to do with either PMR or fibro except all nerve signals to the brain go via the spine I suppose. Sensation and sight are the same in that sense - the eye receives the image in the form of light but it is the brain that interprets it just like the skin is in contact with the hot water but the brain works out what it is. Anyway - it is not inflammation in fibro and ESR and CRP are never raised. That is how your GP knew there was something else going on. Pred does nothing for fibro pain although there are some drugs that can help it.
In all these sort of diseases the symptoms may overlap - as you know ME and fibro and PMR have some things in common whilst also having things that are "their own". In some cases the diagnosis is made as "overlap syndrome" or "overlap connective tissue disorder" - an autoimmune disorder with symptoms of one or more recognised illnesses. That is what often makes diagnosis so difficult because while experts know about this it isn't part of the bedtime reading for the average GP and unless they have seen someone with this before they may not realise it can exist. Most practices are unlikely to see more than a couple of GCA cases over years, I know GPs who have seen 1 in a career of 30 years. Some of the disorders are classified as vasculitis, some as connective tissue disease (muscles, ligaments, tendons) and a rheumy may not recognise the vasculitis ones although a vasculitis specialist may recognise the rheumatic ones. The trouble is - there is a desperate shortage of vasculitis specialists and they are in only a few highly specialised centres. I know one patient who travels from Scotland to Cambridge to see her specialist. It isn't only the UK where it is so - it is a relatively new area. Unless you can go to the Mayo, Johns Hopkins or the Cleveland clinics in the USA the doctors often struggle just as much there too - and it costs you personally a lot of money when they get it not quite right.
linda17563 EileenH
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