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Can anyone with a positive diagnosis with sjorgens please tell me what's the best test for diagnosis. I've had the usual rheumy tests for autoimmune in general but is there any specific tests for sjorgens that are reliable. 

This has been going on for 5 yrs now and I'm so frustrated. Drs don't explain what tests they r doing or what for.

I've done all my own research and am stuck between very early peri menopause or hormone deficiency or sjorgens.

Also can someone explain If this sounds normal: I'll get crazy itchy all over, I'll feel like there is grit in my eyes, sand on my lips and weird tiny bubbles on my tounge, this lasts 3 days or so then ill have such dry sore mouth, nose, eyes, privates for any amount of time (1 week to 4) that I'll be irritated to hell using all sprays, drops, sweets, toothpastes etc under the sun then it will stop and I'll go back to just being somewhat dry only to repeat a week - a month later.

Even when normal I need a drink 24/7, I have all sorts of joint and muscle pains. My teeth despite looking after them very well are getting lots of plaque build up and guns r receding. I have a perforated septum from surgery which I believe was due to nasal dryness during recovery, my face, jaw, neck etc hurts and I'm sure it's actually the salivary glands that hurt. I get tonsil stones every few days.

Anyway does that resonate with anyone, surely if sjorgens destroys the salivary glands why would it go from hell to just uncomfortable and back again over and over again? Surely wouldn't it be gradually worse and worse?

thank you, any help would be appreciated

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    Hi Charlotte, you've got all the signs and symptoms of Sjogren's, though the vaginal dryness could also be due to onset of the menopause. That thing you describe of the symptoms coming and going is absolutely typical of Sjogren's (and most other auto-immune conditions). I went through 15 years on that particular roller-coaster, then the whole thing cleared up over a period of just a few months. That was more than five years ago, and apart from a bit of that sand-in-the-eyes thing you so aptly describe, together with general aches and pains, I've scarcely had a day's trouble since!

    There's no definitive test to diagnose the condition. An ophthalmologist can do a test where they put little absorbent pads under your eyelids for a few minutes, then measure the amount of fluid they've absorbed. A lip biopsy can give a diagnosis in some people too. My own condition was finally diagnosed when my GP ordered a blood test for anti-salivary-gland antibodies and it came back positive. However, the problem with all thz tests is precisely that the condition tends to come and go, so Murphy's Law inevitably comes into play. If the Sjogren's happens to be in mini-remission the day you have the test, the result will come back negative.

    In general, doctors (at least the very few who've actually heard of Sjogren's!) tend to make the diagnosis on symptoms alone. This isn't as unsatisfactory as it sounds, as there's very little in the way of treatment for the condition anyway, and it certainly can't be cured. It's mainly a question of management. Looking after your teeth and gums is paramount. And try to avoid eating sweets or drinking sodas or smoothies. Drink small mouthfuls of water at regular intervals throughout the day, rather than swigging large quantities at a time. There are lots of useful chemicals in saliva, and drinking a lot of liquid at any one time will just wash away what little saliva you have. There are over-the-counter mouth gels and eyedrops that your doctor can recommend too.

    In some cases, doctors will prescribe steroids for the condition, but I'd advise putting that off for as long as possible, as the side-effects can make you feel even worse. I never went on them. I don't think my symptoms were as bad as yours - my mouth used to bleed at the corners and my lips and cheeks were constantly sticking to my gums but I didn't have pain in my salivary glands. (Though I did get those annoyingly painful little blebs on the tip of my tongue, and still do.) It may well be that you'll need a bit of extra medical help. However, the best way of dealing with any auto-immune disease is first of all to accept it - hard as that may seem - treat the symptoms as far as possible, and learn to live with it. Unpleasant as it is, it's not a fatal disease and long-term, or even permanent, remissions are common.

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      Hi Lily,

      Thanks so much for your response, I'm so pleased to hear things cleared up to a bearable level for you, it's inspiring as most things I read are people saying how bad it's got. Having my son at 24 was the precursor to all my problems, I'm now 30 so technically I'm probably quite young for menapausal symptoms however my symptoms are very similar to some perimenapause things I've read apart from hot flushes! To be honest the nerve, muscle, bone, pain and aches etc I've had were in the front seat along with just not feeling well and not feeling right in the head but trying to get those symptoms across to Drs leaves you looking like a mental person. The dryness has come on in fits and starts over the last 5 yrs and you are so right about Murphy's law, definitely never got my complaints by the time I get to see the drs. I've seen a rheumy and he has given me 2 steroid injections on separate occasions along with plaquenil which in the end I stopped  taking as my results came back negative for cpr and ana etc however I'm not sure they have done a saliva antibody test. I will ask Dr. 

      I have always struggled with car heaters and always needed a drink with me so maybe this had been lurking in the background for a long time.

      You say that it's a treatment of management but is there not a high risk for lymphoma, that's what scares Me especially as I feel like I'm being strangled half the time indicating to me that my glands are swelling although I had a throat ultrasound the other day for pain and he said all looks normal.

      Is there any specific products you recommend. I've been looking at lacrimal supplements and various brands of eye drops as most offer seconds of relief. Water makes my mouth worse, honestly oily foods give the most relief but still short lived. I hope I go back to not having the severe dryness soon, I don't know how people cope who have it bad all the time, it's like torture with burning stinging eyes, gums, tounge etc.

      What age did you start having symptoms? I worry that getting it young means by the time I hit menopause etc that it will be so bad I won't be able to cope as I heard that makes it worse. 

      Thanks again for your time, I really appreciate the advice and the sentiment that im not mental nor am I doomed!! 

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      Hi Charlotte, only just saw your post due to some sort of glitch on the site.

      My symptoms started around age 50, which is par for the course, but it can start at any age. The fact that it's started earlier in your case doesn't necessarily mean it's going to get worse as you get older. All auto-immune conditions are pretty much random and heavily dependent on your state of mind. You could even find it will clear up when you hit the menopause!

      Yes - sadly there is a greatly increased risk of non-Hodgkins lymphoma. With my diagnosis of Sjogrens, I'm entitled to a full-body MRI every two years in the country where I live, but I've never taken that up. I feel that an optimistic attitude is a better protection than constantly checking myself out, but that's up to every individual to decide.

      Can't recommend any specific products due to the fact that I'm not in the same country as you, but your pharmacist can help.

      The important thing with Sjogren's - as with all auto-immune conditions - is to maintain a positive attitude. Take care of your symptoms without letting them rule your life.

      And no - you're neither mental nor doomed!

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      Thanks Lilly, your actually a massive inspiration to me the way you handle it.  My biggest problem over the whole course of 5yrs is the not knowing. It has not been letting me close the chapter and deal with it but hearing what you have to say makes me feel positive. I just need to deal with symptoms best I can and keep a positive attitude. The lack of Dr's abilities/knowledge and monitoring has been my biggest cause of my anxiety as when you hurt all over with countless odd symptoms and they dont know why you're not sure where your life is going to end up. I did decide a few weeks back that I was going to stop all pain meds and just try and suck it up. Thank you for the positive words and being a strong role model!
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      I was diagnosed with SS 17 years ago, the symptoms I had, was a very swollen face, it was like a bell pepper/capsicum...anyway I just presented at my Drs with it and he diagnosed it straight away-very unusual apparently,  It can dry out all your organs- end result... Keep on top of it...good

      I get the swollen face from ear to neck area only on one side...every now and then same as dry eyes-over the counter drops, dry mouth-again over the counter  mouth lube especially for dry mouth..so far it's been really cope able but I was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia Syndrome 2 years later ...lots of people  get them both...maybe you need checking for Fibromyalgia too, ask your doc..hope this is helpful...maybe look it up first like I did..good luck.

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    Hi Charlotte ~

    I was diagnosed by a cornea specialist.  I had problems that continued for almost 2 years and when the regular eye doctor came to a loss of help, he sent me to the cornea specialist.  We have 3 Kellogg Eye Care Centers in the US and I know in Europe there's many, many more than 3.  

    After being dx'd with sjogren's, I was sent to a specialist that helps with special lens'.  The len's are so huge (covering all the color of the eye and almost all the white part you can see of the eye).  The "prose" lens' help lubricate the entire eye for 8-10 hours then they  come out for a bit of a rest.  It took me almost 6 mths to learn how to put them in (it's totally different than regular contact lens'), plus along with learning how to put them in, the care of them as well.  This is not to say that it's a cure-all but it helps.  During nighttime, I put ointment in my eyes to help lubircate them, however, mine are so intensely dry, even the ointment is questionable.  I'm now suffering from both my corneas scratched from the dryness and the eyelids actually stuck to my eyeballs that scratched the corneas.  I'm on the mend!  

    On a positive note, the prose lens' also give you 20/20 vision so when I wear them, it's like I'm young again smile  That's the bonus along with the eyes feel so much soothed with the lenses.  You may want to ask your doctor to refer you to a cornea specialist (anyone with severe dry eyes should ask for a referral and that doctor will dx you with this awful affliction).  The cornea specialist will know if you have the disease thus refer you to the prose lens specialist.  

    I hope you're feeling well and that you find help to guide you with your dryness.

    Warmly,

    Frustrated

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    Hi Charlotte, I've just been diagnosed with Sjogren's after having many health problems over the past few months ( possibly years ). It all started when I couldn't swallow on Nov 10 - only fluids. There was no explanation it just happened. My Dr fast tracked me to an upper GI consultant - we all thought the worst Oesophogal Cancer. After and Endoscopy it turned out I had Thrush, a Hiatus Hernia and GORD - reflux problems. Still couldn't swallow after being on meds for Thrush and then developed other problems, rushed into hospital with abdominal pains - after a CT Scan had Diverticulosis. It felt like I was imagining my problems - my consultant recommended a CT scan on my throat and neck - again nothing untoward was showing. My ears and jaw were aching at night and was difficult sleeping on any side because of the pain. My mouth is extremely dry and thrush has re-appeared again. I have a very dry cough and get tired easily, probably because I keep waking in the night because of the dry mouth.

    My diet is extremely boring as I can only swallow fluids - making soups, egg custard, scrambled eggs, some tinned fruit chopped up. I don't smoke or have any drinks with Caffeine as these are dehydrating, I don't drink alcohol so that's not a problem. I haven't been given any medication so far just the mouth gels, toothpaste, pastilles and mouth spray. I hope to get something to help manage the condition on February 4th. I haven't ready where anyone else has not been able to swallow - am I the only one out there? I read that Lily65668 had her problems come and go, mine are with me all the time and I find it difficult to speak for any length of time. I started taking Thyroxin last year which I believe is also needed for hypthyroidism - another autoimmune condition. It seems that Dr's cannot diagnose this problem easily and a Rheumatologist visit is required.

    Reading the replies has been very helpful,  I was feeling very down and worried about managing this condition - also angry at getting it. Still I will try to be positive and adjust my life accordingly

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      Each one of us seems to have differing Symtoms Margery, I take artificial tears and mouth moisturiser spray, I get really swollen on one side of my face and knock when it fares up....after ct scans ect I was diagnosed with Sojrens Syndrome 20 yrs ago..it flares up intermittently like right now...I don't have a problem swallowing food though..really feeling for you, a Rhumotologist will be able to help very quickly..please don't go down that track of depression like many of us do...I also have Fibromyakgua and Arthritis..great some days..not so great others..funny but when one flares up it's like I forget I've even got the other..I went on this site originally to ask a question similar to yours "does anyone else have 24/7 dizziness/ inbalance...I've had it for 11 yrs now..the Nuerosurgeon said it was that the fluid in my middle ear  had probably crystallised and that it would just righten itself ..11 years later I'm still waiting, grr,-(it was nothing sinister , like I thought..one could only imagine what I was thinking) however  you do manage in time, ....lots of support famly/friends...not that they really understand what it's like, they just couldn't, but you do need then around you.  Be blessed Margery, do hope you get sorted soon, praying for you....:-) xx Australia
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      Thank you for your feedback Christine, as you say we all seem to have different symptoms. I've decided not to get down about it, after all there are people out there with much worse conditions than this. I'm managing at the moment without any meds - other than the ones I mentioned. I'm drinking much more water which I think may be helping. Just need to see the results of all my blood tests and where to go from there.

      Thank you for your blessings xx

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      Great attitude Margery, that's how  I think, every time I'm in bad pain with a flare up, or other issues....I always think of those that have bad health in those third world countries, where there is just no help at all like we have... it's funny how it helps, but it does...be blessed..:-) xx
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    Charlotte

    It is my understanding that the Specific blood test for Sjogrens is SSA. Try researching that and see what you come up with. Also, I experienced the itching and feeling like I was getting pricked with needles burning on the bottom of my feet tingling sensations etc. My doctor explained it as Peripheral Neuropathy again research. I experienced my eyes feeling gritty, dry mouth, dry skin, changes in my hair, loss of smell, loss of taste, vaginal dryness,jaw pain, neck pain, severe joint pain,restless legs,stomach issues, constipation , headaches,pain between the shoulder blades and shins. Any of this sound familiar? Oh Yeah and crushing fatigue. Most helpful book has been "Coping with Lupus" by Robert H.Phillips. Specific info on Sjogrens and more.

    Read this book the information is excellent  Because the symptoms come and go in what I now know are "Flares" . A person does start to wonder if it is a mental issue. I had to advocate for myself to get a proper diagnosis and in order to do that you have to use all the resources available to you to educate yourself. Currently on 400mgs a day of Plaquenil. First it makes you sick. But if you power thru that and can tolerate it you will start seeing the results it takes about 4 to 6 months to see results although it had positive effects on my nerve discomfort immediately. I notice improvement every month it may not work for everyone but it is working for me. I take Ibuprofen to manage the pain I have learned to manage it rather than react to it. I drink tons of water,and feel better when I am well hydrated. In the book you will find suggestions to improve your diet this has helped me. Biotene makes a spray you can use when you feel like your mouth is getting dry and you worry about bad breath. You can find it at Walmart in the toothpaste aisle. For vaginal dryness I found a natural waterbased personal lubricant at Whole Foods Stores and dab it on before I go out, helps with the irritation. My diagnosis is Sjogrens and a mild Lupus. Read read read and advocate for yourself. If I can do it so can you!

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