Help...still got blurred vision!!

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Several weeks ago, I posted about my blurred vision, slight jaw pain etc and feeling more ill after lowering the pred to 7mg.  My doctor got me an emergency eye appointment next day, and the eye specialist said it wasn`t GCA, but probably the steroids.  I still have terrible blurred vision, drained and of course can`t drive and feeling quite house bound.  It`s a feeling like not wearing glasses when needing to!  has anyone experienced this, or knows that steroids can do this.  I have been on them for 3 years now, and never had this problem before.  Also having Fibromyagia  as well, I cannot tolerate medication (not even Adcal) but didn`t have a choice with the Pred.  Any ideas welcome thank you, as I don`t what to do about it!!

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    Hi Linda

    Sorry to hear you haven't got answers but pleased to hear you don't have GCA.

    I also have very annoying blurred vision, it doesn't sound as bad as yours in that although it is every day, it is not all the time and wearing distance glasses sometimes helps a bit. I also have the fatigue just learning to live with it. 

    Maybe Eileen will be able to tell us. My assumption is that the fatigue is coming from the underlying PMR, not sure about the blurred vision though.

    Sheila

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    I know that pred can cause blurred vision but I don't really know the mechanism - didn't the eye specialist say anything? 

    The eye specialist wouldn't be able to see an effect on where the optic nerve joins the retina until the optic nerve was damaged - and that only happens when the blood supply to the nerve is stopped, there can be a reduction in flow that might not cause obvious damage. If you had any GCA otherwise in the area it would need high resolution MRI imaging or PET/CT to show the inflammation - perhaps you could ask your GP if he has access or perhaps via the rheumy? I suggest it particularly because you mention jaw pain and feeling so ill - it could be large vessel vasculitis in the neck arteries. I know that Siemens has developed imaging for it so it may be available. Would your GP consider trying a higher dose of pred to see if it helps the symptoms? It just seems strange the blurring happening NOW at relatively low dose of pred when it hadn't happened before - it could, but it makes me suspicious.

    I really do appreciate the not being able to drive aspect - due to a daft specialist I had nearly 6 months without my licence whilst waiting for an EEG to be done and reported that coincided with the onset of really bad PMR - it took 6 weeks to do and over 3 months to report. There was no need for me to have surrended the licence in fact but she had told me to so I had to. I could barely walk - the PMR was not recognised, that took over 6 months, so no pred. It was a fairly hellish time being stuck in the house, you have my sympathy.

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      When I first went to the GP end of November last year, when this started, she raised the Pred to 20mg, 2 weeks, 15mg, 2 weeks, now it should be 10mg, but I`m doing 12.5mg 2 weeks, before lowering to 10mg, I`m so afraid it will get worse! (she did agree for me to stay on 10mg as long as I like) which I`m grateful for.  As for the eye specialist, we trust that they can see everything and give us answers, but is that in a fantasy world...if it is, what is the point in us going to the professionals!!  We seem to have to share our stories and experieences, and work it out for ourselves!!
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    Hi I too have vision problems which started at the begining of my PMR journey over a year ago, so much so that I ended up with prescription glasses that were not suitable. I obviously went for my eye test whilst having episodic blurred vision, so the glasses were then useless when vision ok.

    I still get problems but it's not something I notice unless I'm trying to read, normaly I don't wear reading glasses. At times even when wearing my specs the television viewing is not as clear.

    I rd go to a specialist early onset of PMR but he found nothing untoward, went again 6 months after and again he found nothing and discharged me.

    Hope you find an answer soon

    Kind Regards

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    Dear Linda

    The news is not good!

    Temporal Arteritis (inflammation of the temporal artery) is confused with Giant Cell Arteritis which is a systemic condition. A ophthalmologist cannot tell if someone has GCA as GCA can affect any large or medium sized artery (and possibly smaller ones also). 

    There is no 100% accurate test for GCA and they cannot say you do not have it, only that they have not found it (usually because they have not looked). However, the patient does need sufficient prednisone to reduce the inflammation so that permanent damage is avoided.

    If the inflammation is not reduced, lesions, aneurism, etc., can increase a patient's risk of stroke, dementia, heart attack, etc.

    By focussing on temporal arteritis, the doctor conveniently takes patients' minds off inflammation which might be occurring elsewhere. Tests to discover iinflammation in other arteries are so very expensive and there is no good remedy even when found.

    We need a good 'What Your Doctor Won't Tell You' guide!

     

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    I've been on prednisone for 8 months now (started at 40 mg and currently reducing to 15 mg following a slow tapering regime) and have had many occurrences of blurred vision for varying periods of time.  No doubt the prednisone is the culprit, but may also be caused by dry eye from time to time.  Eye drops sometimes help. 

    I have been set up to receive eye examiniatons every 3 months and my vision varies each time.  For now I won't be changing my glasses prescription! 

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      What I did find was that I needed to move my specs up and down my nose for optimum vision! One day the "normal" position was fine and then the next I had to perch them further down! My optician couldn't work out what it was - when he tested the prescription was always about the same whichever one it was, distance was generally OK but it was the pair for using the computer that seemed to be the problem. I did have awful dry eye for a long time, even had to give up my beloved contacts. 

      Whether it is the autoimmune part of the PMR or what I have no idea - but now I'm on a much lower dose of pred it seems to be better. But with my specs in the right position I was always able to see, never had to say I couldn't do something because I couldn't see.

      I had to get an emergency new set of specs in the summer when I mislaid mine (can't see a thing without). The "strange" optician insisted on a stronger prescription for my left eye with the result that I now have to remove my specs to read a food label - bah!!!!! The previous guy (in Scotland, I was in Farnborough at the time) had left the left one not quite as strong and I just moved my small lensed specs a bit further down to see near to me. Now with the new large lenses I sometimes struggle to see to eat dinner - fish with bones is a nightmare rolleyes 

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    Tha last 3 to 4 years have had blurred vision before anyone even suggested that I could have PM R .Have been treated for PMR for about 3 months now .Saw optition at eye hosp had a lot of tests some uncomfortable but nothing was found ,have a chk up yearly with my own optician because my father had macular problems and that is ok . So because I couldnt get the Red Cross on screen to line up I was told the muscle was weakening in my eye . Next time I see my doctor will bring up with her Can still see ok to drive but feel need to clean glasses all the time .One problem I think we may all have is that we become very focused on something that is worrying us which makes it seem much worse . It is important to have the questions ready to ask at your next appointment and push for answers .Read what people say on these forums and use as a tool to ask the right questions but not let your self be scared to death by some of the replys .
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      I sometimes have a sort of splodge in the middle of my left eye, as if there were a greasy fingerprint on the lens that needed cleaning. The optician decided - in the absence of anything else - it could be due to the semi-permanent floater I have. It drove me nuts for several years - and in the last year or so it seems to have vanished, it appeared now and again for a while then disappeared. But it definitely wasn't due to pred, it might have been to do with the autoimmune side of PMR though.

      You're right though Carol - it is all too easy to become paranoid about any visual thing because there is the terror of going blind if it turned out to be GCA affecting the cerebral arteries. But then - I say some of what I say because I have come across ladies who lost vision for half an hour and then asked a question on the forum after waiting for 3 or 4 days to see the GP! He did at least suspect GCA was a possibility and acted accordingly - but if I went blind for even seconds I'd be dialling 999 straight away. I wouldn't get in the car even - it doesn't bear thinking what could happen!

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    Linda, my blurred vision from GCA worsened shortly after starting steroids at 40mg, and my rheumy put the blame on the steroid dose.  I feel it would be a little odd for your sudden blurred vision to be a side effect of the steroids now you have got down to 7mg after 3 years.  You haven't mentioned any other symptoms, such as returning PMR-type pain, but feeling "drained" is a common symptom of both PMR and GCA.  Perhaps your GP can arrange an emergency appointment with a good rheumatologist.  I know an excellent one - whereabouts are you?  Failing that, if you're able to get to London, then Moorfields would be your best bet for your eyes. 
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      I am in Norfolk, and really don`t rate my Rheumy, she`s the type that says JUST drop 1mg every month and you`ll be fine, but you MUST come off the pred!  In the last two days since my last post on here, I have developed all over pain, and fatigue, shoulders/ankles/lower jaw especially, feeling low.  I got down to 7mg brfore the blurred vision, so now at 12.5mg, can`t understand why this has all kicked in?  I`m thinking like Eileen has said in the past, that coming down quickly 5mg at a time  from 20mg, is too fast for me,  (doctor`s orders)but it`s the same doing it slower to 12.5mg.  I`m thinking maybe it should be 1mg at a time till pain subsides??.....Hope this post makes sense!  Any advice from past experience, I would be very grateful for, I`m convinced the powers that be,(medical) do not know what they`re talking about!  Thank You.
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      Why MUST you come off the pred? If she was convinced you have PMR then you need pred at the right dose until the PMR goes - or you might as well never have started it.

      Coming down 5mg at a time for anyone who has been on pred for any length of time is difficult. The basic rule any doctor needs to bear in mind  - whether they accept the 10% rule or not - is that they also have to take the patient's symptoms into account, and here she blatantly isn't. 

      I would suspect there might be something else going on that she isn't recognising, a major flare at the very least. What is tha jaw pain you mention? That always rings alarm bells for me, especially when you say you feel so unwell.

      You are obviously not happy with this doctor. Is Southend an option? It isn't particularly far (by my standards I know) and MrsO's rheumy recommendation I would travel any distance to see! That'll be the other side of London.

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      This jaw pain became new to me when the blurred vision started.  My doctor took all symptoms into consideration, and then sent me to emergency eye clinic. I told  the "specialist" that I hadn`t had jaw pain before, but he dismissed it, saying you would get lots of pain whan eating and at the temples, and bad headache (mine was fairly mild) He said it was probably lowering the Pred that had brought it all on. So I was then put on 20mg, and told to taper fortnightly by 5mg, till down to 10mg, then stay on that for a while....but the symptoms have got worse at 15mg!.....so has it been too quick.  I suppose I could ask my doctor to refer me to another Rheumy..... at the Norfolk and Norwich hospital...
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      Tell me more about the jaw pain - when does it happen, when does it go? 
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      It comes on in the morning after breakfast, and I have it now, it`s more like a tension in my jaw....and stays all day.

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