how do you feel about e-cigarettes?

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Hi guys, My name is Alicia,I work for an MEP, he wrote an article that has made todays papers, and in my own research I came across this page, ive noticed someone has posted about a medical study on e-cigarettes and I was wondering what you guys feel about my bosses view, I am a smoker btw, my parents vape, i personally tried it some years ago and didn't take to it, i do know that they have changed however, guess we'll see where i get with that, anyway, i'll paste the article below. thanks for reading 

I’ve never smoked a cigarette in my life. I just don’t trust myself not to enjoy it too much, and to become addicted.

When I was a teenager, and my friends were trying cigarettes, I chose not to for that reason.

Normally I’d be the last person to write an article about smoking. But recently, I’ve noticed that many – if not most – of my friends who smoke have replaced their cigarettes with e-cigarettes.

Some have tried for years, and failed, to quit smoking altogether. So I’m happy to see them doing something which is much less unhealthy. And here in the North East, we have the highest rates of smoking in the country.

Now, after a couple in Staffordshire were barred from adopting because one of them had used an e-cigarette, we learn that North Tyneside and Durham councils have similar rules – flying in the face of advice from Public Health England and the Fostering Network, depriving children of loving families.

Over a million former smokers are now looking nervously towards our government, and especially to the European Union.

From proposals to make e-cigarettes into pharmaceutical products to the notion of adding punitive taxation like we do with traditional cigarettes, we need to think very carefully indeed before taking action.

If we discourage e-cigarettes through taxation, we will stop the move from traditional cigarettes to e-cigarettes.

Yet my experience in the European Parliament is that is exactly what MEPs across Europe are desperate to do. But then, the European Parliament itself is perfectly happy to have indoor smoking areas. It’s one rule for us MEPs, and another for the general public.

The medical science behind e-cigarettes is not yet fully settled. It seems to be generally agreed that e-cigarettes are not fully safe. It seems to be generally agreed that the health risks are much lower than those of regular cigarettes.

Professor Robert West and Doctor Jamie Brown of UCL have claimed in the British Journal of General Practice that for every million people who switch from traditional cigarettes to e-cigarettes, 6,000 lives will be saved every year.

When I pointed out on Twitter that I oppose EU plans to slap more taxes on e-cigarettes, I was directed to a study which finds that e-cigarette vapour damages the immune systems of mice. It speculated that the unexpected presence of free radicals might account for this.

But the same study also pointed out that, with cigarette smoke, the levels of free radicals are roughly 100 times as high.

Tobacco and tar aren’t generally present in e-cigarettes either; they contain fewer toxins and carcinogens overall.

In the absence of a definitive study, we have to accept that the risks associated with e-cigarettes are substantive but that they are much less bad than smoking traditional cigarettes.

Likewise, if there is a danger with passive inhalation of vapour from e-cigarettes then it is clearly of an order of magnitude much lower than that of second-hand cigarette smoke.

Nicotine is an addictive substance, there’s no doubt about it. The European Union claims to be concerned that e-cigarettes will become a gateway to traditional cigarettes, but this seems to be an overstated concern.

According to the Office of National Statistics, just 0.14% of those who use e-cigarettes have never smoked traditional cigarettes. If we forget about the millions who are now doing something much less unhealthy because of the 0.14% (and many of them might have tried traditional cigarettes anyway in that time if e-cigarettes weren’t available), it’s not bad science but bad policy making.

The nature of those health risks, in any case, will vary somewhat from one e-cigarette to another. I have no objection to the right regulation: to inform about the health risks, to avoid glamourising e-cigarettes to teenagers, to minimise those health risks, and to have reasonable common standards to provide consumer confidence.

My interest here is nothing to do with cigarettes or e-cigarettes. It’s not because, as a non-smoker, it’s much more comfortable to stand next to someone with an e-cigarette than someone with a traditional cigarette.

It’s to do with saving lives. And where legislation is proposed that would stop people moving from cigarettes to e-cigarettes, there is a serious danger that tens of thousands of lives would be lost as a result.

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  • Posted

    Personally l don't smoke but as informed adults, I support the right of those who wish to. I don't actually support punitive legislation that singles smokers out. If they want to go to Hell in a handcart, then that's up to them. The e-cigarettes issue and taxing it just compounds matters and makes over intrusive legislation much worse.

    The next obvious question is where does all this intrusiveness stop? We are becoming subject to the latest Ban Fads by the day, by insubstantial and often clueless politicians (well, that's what I think about a lot of them), who seem to jump behind the latest fashionable idea.

    I like the idea about a smoking room for the poor beleaguered MEPs. The more they puff away, the fewer that may remain.

    • Posted

      Go to hell in a handcart???
    • Posted

      An old English phrase.  Google it.  It means heading for trouble. The expression might possibly have been inspired by the heads of beheaded mediæval prisoners falling into the handbaskets or handcarts that lay beneath them.  
    • Posted

      And what about other people who make bad life-style choices and die through them? I can't list them all here because the list would be too long. Would you say the same thing about everyone who doesn't live perfectly?
    • Posted

      By the way do you use many archaic phrases to vent your prejudices?
    • Posted

      In a free society, people should be allowed to make whatever bad lifestyle choices they wish.  It's their life.  Why is it prejudiced to support an individual's right to choose?  Also, what is the matter with using the full force and variety of the English language?  Must we all become monosyllabic grunts?
    • Posted

      You said 'I support the right of those who wish to. I don't actually support punitive legislation that singles smokers out. If they want to go to Hell in a handcart, then that's up to them.'

      Do you really stand by that comment STD? Which century were you born in?

  • Posted

    Hello Alicia, I have to say that I find this an interesting topic partly because I came off smoking a pipe and went on to e-cigarettes because they are supposed to be less harmful to our systems.

    I suppose the main problem is that not enough research has been done on e-cigarettes or the liquids that go into them.

    Having said that, I read an article the other day that said that some vaping liquid manufacturers are introducing Formaldehyde into the solution, which in my view can be a very dangerous substance and should be avoided and made unlawful.

    The concept of imbibing nicotine on it's own should not be too much of a concern any more than drinking coffee with caffine in it, as both caffine and nicotine whilst both are addictive are not thought to be harmful in themselves.

    So looking at this from a logical view, if the idea is to save lives then e-cigarettes are much better than any other form of traditional smoking which all carry the risk of carcinogens within them, whereas as far as we know e-cigarettes do not.

    There is a further issue in all this that seems to have been overlooked, and that is the basic right of all human beings to do as they wish, and any restriction to that could be constued as a restriction of our human rights. In other words it would be completely wrong for a total ban to be put in place for conventional smoking.

    The anti-smoking lobby wishes to see a ban on all forms of smoking which I think would be impractical and unlawful and would probably end-up in the Court of Human Rights.

    So to sum-up then, I agree that much more testing has to be carried out on e-cigarettes and their contents, and maybe some sort of heathy standard introduced applicable to the liquids themselves,  which could be enshrined in legislation, but any more than that I say should not happen.

    As to whether e-cigarettes should be allowed to be used in public, the answer should be based purely on a health critera. If they are not unhealthy how can a ban for use in public places be be justified?

    • Posted

      I would just like to add a footnote here which is that if the Eurozone decide to prevent people from smoking their e-cigarettes because it is felt that what is smoked is habit forming, do they also intend to legislate against and maybe close  all cafes and restaurants because they sell coffee containing caffine which is also addictive?
    • Posted

      What about the formaldehyde in e cigarrettes someone mentioned? That's a lethal poison that's used in far too many things and it goes into the air everyone breathes, and that's allowed? Caffeine only affects the person drinking it.
    • Posted

      And what about all the carcinogens that are emitted freely into the air in our industrial towns? The companies involved usually dump material into the air at night so as to avoid an outcry, but the evidence is there first thing in the morning when one looks at the surface of a car that was washed the day before.

      Nothing will convince me otherwise than this is sabre rattling by Euro MP's, and has come about because they have so much spare time on their hands that they have to think-up something, usually that involves the further weakening of our human rights.

    • Posted

      Rant time! Everyone seems to think it's their right to go on holiday abroad but aeroplanes pump poison into the atmosphere. Our ancestors didn't feel the need to visit everwhere to feel like they've lived.

      I've never flown and I'm proud of that. I've flown in my mind and that's better! I'm happy in my country and I don't need to go anywhere else. I'm in the minority I think.

  • Posted

    I smoke tobacco that is pure tobacco with no added harmful chemicals, which I suspect does a lot of the damage. Tobacco is a plant and though I agree that even pure tobacco is addictive and harmful it's much less harmful than regular tobacco.

    I ran out once and tried an e-cigarrette. It burnt my throat so badly that I couldn't use it! So whatever is in it is more dangerous for me personally than pure tobacco.

  • Posted

    Hi Alicia,

    Firstly, why come on here asking people's opinions on e-cigarettes? My daughter thought e-cigarettes sold to minors in town at the age of 12 to 13 years old, was normal. This in fact was a little misleading when the actual e-cigs contained flavours, to make them even more glamourising! In fact they were standard e-cigs disguised with fruit flavour! Who in their right mind came up with this dumb idea??

    Our daughter at the time said they were even selling them at schools, when my wife and I looked in to these things more, we found they were just standard e-cigs with flavours added!! This is disgusting, apart from bringing up children to start smoking e-cigarettes, these can also lead to smoking real cigarettes or worse, even weed.

    I used to smoke standard cigarettes for years, in fact 30 years - and gave it up using nothing but will power and a stint of nearly a month in hospital, nearly died twice, and I have had cancer (still in remission)! Now, I tried e-cigs once to try and pack it in and failed, along with every other method on the shelves and even the NHS. It can be done, my dad from cancer, and he was a very heavy smoker.

    It has been PROVEN that e-cigarettes have dangerous chemicals in them, and you want peoples opinions on them! Why now, when the proof has just hit the media?

    It sounds like to me you want to troll the forums - regardless of families feelings regarding how they feel about your so-called "RESEARCH".

    WHY choose patient.info - when there plenty of other forums you can TROLL?

    Regards,

    • Posted

      Hi, im sorry you feel im 'trolling' that was never my intention, when i googled forums for e-cigarettes this site came up, it was an anomaly, but there was a few threads about this already. I have posted similar posts in dedicated forums too, i was simply trying to broaden the persepective i got back, rather than just people who like and use them already. I hope this helps you to understand why i posted here, thank you. 

       

    • Posted

      Hi Alicia,

      Sorry, if I had come acrosss a bit abrupt towards you - I have a pretty bad morning at the doctors, and instead of lowering my Tramadol dosage she increased it, I was not impressed at all by this, since she was against Tramadol being administered. She also used patient.info for some reference guides regarding something else.

      Of course seeing your post about e-cigarettes was the last straw, so I aplogise for 'snapping' at you... I've seen trolls on here before, which I find offensive when peoples health is at risk.

      But my opinion on e-cigarettes is very low anyway, so just ignore my post, it was partially myself and medications playing games, after seeing the doctor today. Some of us, do take Class A medication, which can be seen in some replies, not just in spellings but how they affect us in general, personally I would rather live without them.

      Regards,

      Les.

    • Posted

      I don't know if you read my reply above about e cigs Les, they burnt my throat terribly so I knew they contained very harmful chemicals, more harmful than those in cigs I suspect because they don't do that to my throat.

      I smoke American Spirit tobacco or Pueblo tobacco, pure tobacco.

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