How I cured my gastritis

I suspect...your current condition has been caused by the antibiotics and anti secretory drugs...

It will take some time to remedy...the diet that Innes used is excellent...could not do yogurt "too acidic".... but many others found when yogurts didn't work kefir did and or vice versa. Slippery Elm should be available...try 15 minutes before each meal...keep your stomach lining protected so it has a chance to heal...thus nothing hot cold..spicy..when food has been digested...drink good clean filtered water at ph 7 or above. L glutamine is presribed for chemo patients with severe stomach lining irritations....If your not hypertensive, then the root of the licroice is ok..but excess raises the systolic blood pressure..monitor if you use this root.

In South America and Mexico we use Plantain...should be readily available to you...study how it is used for Gastritis...too many ways on how its used.

Claudio

Thanks once again for your help

gastritis as you know is inflammation of the stomach lining. If I guess "correctly" your linning condition is due to the antisecretion drugs...proton pump inhibitors/h2 blockers etc. Although its possible too could be the antibiotics...so I would wager good $ can be "cured".

Most patients too quickly go back to behaviors that caused the problems...i.e. diet. Processed foods, and restaruants....I'd suggest to slowly re introduce stuff like over a period of 6 months after symptoms have vanished...the stomach is one of the most complex organs we have in the body...no human has the ability to copy what this organ can do..its sensors are beyond amazing. If you want to do serious study use google scholar, pub med, science daily. and NOT the for profit web sites.

I have found some forum members are knowledgeable and yet a few "think they are"..I often wonder why these are on this forum for such lenghy times? In Innes "how I cured my gastritis" a member "Sandy" posted her protocol which I thought was one of the best ways to remedy this type of problem.She cured her gastritis in a very very short time, was caused by medications.

I personally like the approach to "healing" or "surviving" that Steven Shackel used in his battle with ALS..He's a Brit living in Australia. He is one of less than 5 in the entire world that has either stopped the progression of this disease or slowed it down to almost NIL...5,600 die of this disease annually here in the USA...the prognosis is from 3 to 5 years. And he isn't in the same condition as Steven Hawking. I lost my younger brother to this disease...there is no worse disease.

btw..while Innes couldn't do yogurt my wife could...was helpful with protein, calcium, and the good bacteria. which reminds me you should be taking B12 sublingual...persistent inflammation depletes b12..most pill types do not get absorbed. And I assume because of where you are, you get plenty of D from sunshine right? Claudio

I think the most important is your diet. I don't think yoghourt is good for you though. The more I read about dairy, the more I am convinced that we are better without it. The casein and calcium in dairy (including yoghourt) makes the stomach produce more acid, which irritates the stomach lining more. It is not an immediate effect but on the long term. I don't think ginger and aloe vera are good either, the first one is a spice, mildly irritating, the second one is too acidic and astringent. Yoghourt, ginger and aloe vera all made me worse over the long term. I really think that with gastritis, the less stuff you take to get better (beside acid reducer), the better you will be.

I'll take your advice and do some more research and study. Thank you. And the B12 I'll have to get also. Oh and yes I do, I get D from the sun it's in abundance over here. Btw Is diarrhoea also a common symptom? 

Thanks once again.

I'll take your advice and do some more research and study. Thank you. And the B12 I'll have to get also. Oh and yes I do, I get D from the sun it's in abundance over here. Btw Is diarrhoea also a common symptom? 

I'll take your advice and do some more research and study. Thank you. And the B12 I'll have to get also. Oh and yes I do, I get D from the sun it's in abundance over here. Btw Is diarrhoea also a common symptom? really frustrated and stressed out because this condition is holding me back from work, which makes money a bit difficult to get.. its really stressful.

I'll take your advice and do some more research and study. Thank you. And the B12 I'll have to get also. Oh and yes I do, I get D from the sun it's in abundance over here. Btw Is diarrhoea also a common symptom? 

diarrhoea is quite common post major antibiotic treatment.

This is where the probiotic strains that are within yogurts are most helpful.

Sometimes not enough...the studies indicate that steady ingestion is better than once or twice a day....does not need to be a ton. just be consistent until problem is resolved.

Do your homework on the probiotic vsl#3, use the sources I suggested since they are "primary". And if possible include it with the yogurts.

To help boost the good flora consider psyllium husk powder. Studies indcate it increases the good bacteria. The use of the powder... start with a very small amount perhaps like a 1/4 teaspoon with water...stir quickly as it tends to gel. you can gradually increase it but beware in contains inulin which can produce gas..The concept: the antibitoics have destroyed both good and bad bacteria...you need to reboot the digestive track back to predominately good bacteria. Its a war between the good and the bad...the bigger army wins.

btw...whats your field of work? Claudio

I have a different take than Ines re dairy/yogurt and even PPI's

Ines is 100% correct re diet

somtimes but not often, we can be misinformed...its always best to refresh ones memory and use several data sources.

Dairy and Yogurts have been around thruout human history. Some cultures today use dairy as their primary source

of proteins, fats, carbohydrates, and yogurts for treating digestive issues.

The beneficial probiotic strains in yogurts have hundres of scientific studies. A 2009 refscience direct)

Japan study demonstrated one particular probiotic strain that augmented hpylori therapy erratication as well as

enhancing mucosa.

ref: Probiotic intervention decreases serum gastrin-17 in Helicobacter pylori infection (science direct)

ref: Study shows yogurt consumption reduces the risk of type 2 diabetes (science daily)

ref: Probiotic supplements have the potential to prevent diarrhea caused by antibiotics, according to a

new Cochrane systematic review. The authors studied Clostridium difficile (C. difficile) infections in

patients taking antibiotics and found symptoms of diarrhea were substantially reduced when patients

were also treated with probiotics. (Wiley)..

This list of references are a fraction of the beneficial studies of "yogurts" and their probiotic strains.

There are many medical journals not included because unless you are "privy" cannot freely

access studies....some do provide purchase options of abstract (PDF)

To keep to simplicity: majority of those who do not tolerate lactose derived yogurts are lactose intolerant,

the minority are those who have autoimmune deficiencies, allergies, visceral hypersensitivity caused by bacteria,

medications including antisecretory, and trauma.

My conclusion as well as most in my field of study is "if you are any of the above.."don't consume lactose derived yogurts.

"If" we are not represented in the above, why should we deprive ourselves from all of the potential benefits of yogurt consumption ?

Take Note: .."ANY" food that reaches the stomach "potentiates" HCL secretion. Gastrin ( a hormon) is produced by cells, called G cells,

in the stomach lining. When ANY food enters the stomach, G cells trigger the release of gastrin in the blood. As blood levels of gastrin rise, the stomach releases acid (HCL). When enough gastric acid has been produced by the stomach, gastrin levels in the blood drop.

The healthy stomach lining is protected by two layers of mucus..the bottom layer is firm or more like a gel, the upper floats and slides, and is often degraded and routinely replaced. With Gastritis, the mucus layer may not even exist or insufficient amounts for protection in the harsh inviornment.

We tried and used over time, L glutamine, slippery elm, and DGl for lining protection pre meals..slippery elm seemed best Milk can produce mucus..not bad or good for gastritis but .it's not the best for those with reflux disorders.

A quick note about PPI's: In 2010 The USA Food and Drug Administration (FDA) warned physicians of the dangers of long term use of PPI's.

Other countries governments food protection agencies have also warned their respective medical communities.

ref: Long-term use of commonly prescribed heartburn and ulcer medications is linked to a higher risk of vitamin B12 deficiency, according to a study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association…(source Kaiser Permanente 12 2013)

Left untreated, vitamin B12 deficiency can increase the risk of dementia, nerve damage, anemia, and other medical complications, some of

which may be irreversible. Stomach acid aids in vitamin B12 absorption; suppressing the acids can lead to the health-threatening vitamin deficiency.

ref: Hypersensitivity reactions to proton pump inhibitors. (science direct)

AS far back as 2008, the USA Columbia University Medical Center: Dr. Wang, with CUMC's Dr. Shigeo Takaishi, and their colleagues, argue that gastrin may serve as a "rheostat" for the stomach. Gastrin likely plays a central role in the

safety network for the protection from mucosal damage caused by gastric acid secretion induced by gastrin itself,

and thus either too much or too little gastrin could predispose a person to stomach cancer. Therefore, clinicians

in the future may need to be more careful about prescribing acid-suppressive drugs for long-term use in patients

infected with Helicobacter, Dr. Wang

fast fwd: 2012, the scandinavian journal of gastroentrology:

Gastric neuroendocrine carcinoma after long-term use of proton pump inhibitor.

Claudio

I think that taking vitamins supplements is likely to delay recovery from gastritis, even prevent it. Now that I feel good, I notice that if I take vitamins supplemenrs I get light stomach pain that increases every day I keep taking them. I tried many different types: B12 liquid and in tabs, B9 liquid, in tabs and gummies, high quality multi-vitamins,... The only supplement I tolerate is bone strenght from new chapter, which is not necessary to recover from gadtritis. The best source of vitamins is a healthy diet. I make vegetable juices every day as well.

However I intend trying to see how I am without it for a bit, and now use kefir which I do not make with cow's milk. It is supposed to more 'friendly bacteria rich' than yogurt in any case. I now make this with cashew nuts that have been ground to a pulp in my Vitamix and this seems to work very well. I tried with coconut milk but it didn't agree with me (I know Ines says to avoid coconut, though I am Ok with the oil).

If you make it with ground cashew nuts, you can then rest it in between batches in the fridge in cow's milk (or goat or sheep milk), and then rinse off the milk in a sieve with filtered water before reusing it.

I suspect goat cheese is more easily tolerated as well but I don't think it is good for gastritis either. Don't get me wrong, I love dairy, cow cheese, goat cheese, all dairy really. But I tried everything and always noticed that on the long term they hurt the stomach. This was consistent with many studies I read that explain the many reasons why. So now I try to avoid them and I have been feeling good for a while this way. Sometimes I can't resist and I put a little bit of parmesan on my pasta or cheddar cheese in my omelet, but I try to not make it a habit and not have cheese as the main source of protein in my meals.

Currently I don't have any field of work. I'm actually still pursuing my career. I'm studying Tourism Management and Hospitality, in Brazil. I do a bit of offroad transportation services just to gain some sort of income to help sustain myself.

Currently I don't have any field of work. I'm actually still pursuing my career. I'm studying Tourism Management and Hospitality, in Brazil. I do a bit of offroad transportation services just to gain some sort of income to help sustain myself.

so very sorry your dad had to run around searching for your needs and then come up empty handed...

I've not come near ever to Guyana, Brazil, nor Columbia...have been to Santiago and Caracas...I don't know if you have any sort of online purchase ability to ebay? And don't know how "safe" it is to purchase anything.

I will search around Guyana and see if I can find any "alternatives"....I'm not traveling abroad because visas are not yet in hand, and its nearing Christmas...have invited grandchildren to visit during school christmas holiday break, had planned to be back well beforehand but just didn't work out.

Will get back to you...I think the b 12 is important..and while its available in foods, it won't be absorbed..so sublingual..by pases the stomach goes directly to blood stream. Claudio

These are the fruits we found helpful:

papaya, coconut milk, over ripe banana, and pomegrante but we diluted it since its around 4.5 ph rasing the ph with water.

and it also helped with making it less acidic. I'm not certain if pineapple will help, but the "core" should help since its good insoluable fiber..you might consider giving it a "trial" to see how it goes..should help firm up your stools some.

Your climate and soil is like "heaven" for growing just about everything. I suspect however you may have problems with fruit flys since I see photos of some fruit and vegetable enclosures. wow..off road transport...not easy work...Claudio

Oh, by the way are you a doctor? You've been helping me a lot but I don't know exactly what it is you do. Also that's some lovely place you visited, got to check out Guyana, very lovely country. Lol

Recently a friend of my mom told me that she also had gastritis and what she used was this leafy vegetable juice. The Brazilians call it "Cove" and here they call it "Cabage Leaf" it looks like the leaves of a Young Cabage plant before it folds in to make itself.. well a Cabage lol. She says to drink it every morning and night. Have you ever heard of this remedy? I just thought I would run this by you before I actually begin a trial.

Thanks for the tips on the papaya and coconut oil. I'll incorporate that to my diet. Oh, I got the B12 tabs, how should I take them? My dad bought them over the counter and was not given a specific prescription on when and how I should take them. 

And yes so true, off road transport is really hard but it helps support me and the family at times. Maybe if you ever come to visit here I'll give you a round tour of the area on the house 😊

Cove, cabbage juice...this is well established digestive treatment in many countries...the Chinese use 3 types of cabbage..the formula's and frequency varies by country...the mild form is Napa Cabbage..its leaves are a very light green and the wide white stem/stalk has plenty of juice..many types of "choi" you should try any that are readily available..there was a Sandy on this thread that "cured" her gastritis caused by naproxin (aspirin type medicine) with cabbage juice and other things..took her 2 weeks? amazing but based on her post she apeared to be an above average smart gal. I would definitely give it a go...most important...be sure your cabbage is clean of any chemicals...I'd soak in water with a drop or two of hydrogen peroxide (cheap) to be sure to clear any pesticides/herbacides etc...

B12...should be taken sub lingual...reason, with gastritis, most likely it cannot be absorbed...I hope the tabs can be disolved by sublingual. If they are enteric coated then they will not, and may as well give them a go like any other pill.

Provide me what's on the container lable...

btw...tumeric/curcumin might help your colon...its used for IBS, and Isreal now has a clinical trial of curcumin, green tea, and selenium...curcumin studies in IBS in UK and US demonstrated a 50% improvement. In Japan the liquid yogurts that have the lactobacillus salivarias the most potent against Hyplori and Hpylori caused inflammation. the Gasseri strain is also good. home made yogurts are as good if not better than commercial but hygine is extremely important.

Claudio

Been unable to find any scientific study with cabbage juice, but know it must be available in some country, I have difficulty with russian, and this is the most likely country that may have multi studies.

Here is what I've garnered from some posts:

Chop up a handful of cabbage.

Drop the chopped-up cabbage into a blender.

Add a cup or two of water.

Blend for at least a minute or two.

Srain if you wish. but drink immediately.

Re yogurts/kefir/probiotics

you can obtain the data using googlescholar search. I note the sourced publication but the abstracts can be from any country. There is far too much pseudo science pseudo medical nonsense in basic google.

A probiotic dairy product containing L. gasseri and L. coryniformis induces immunological changes in children suffering from allergy. Pub med

Beneficial effects of consumption of a dairy product containing two probiotic strains, Lactobacillus coryniformis and Lactobacillus gasseri in healthy children]. Pub med

Dietary deprivation of fermented foods causes a fall in innate immune response. Lactic acid bacteria can counteract the immunological effect of this deprivation. Pub med

Impact of dairy products and dietary calcium on bone-mineral content in children: results of a meta-analysis. Pub med 2008

A potent probiotic strain from cheddar cheese (springer 2011)

Eradication of Helicobacter pylori infection by the probiotic strains Lactobacillus johnsonii and L. salivarius ssp. salicinius.

(Department of Food Science and Biotechnology, National Chung Hsing University, Taichung, Taiwan)

Claudio

On the other hand, the research on bacteria in our guts is in its infancy, we have a huge amount of different bacteria in our guts so it is unlikely that adding one or two different ones will do much, and the bacterial map can change completely in a few hours anyway because of the speed of reproduction of bacteria. I personnally never noticed any improvement in my condition by taking probiotics (which can be taken without eating yoghourt anyway).

The Cove juice is helping also, should I drink the Cove juice and he cabbage juice or just one is sufficient?

I think if one is working..continue with it...if it stops working try the other..my thinking is if one is working....maybe best not to take a chance and mess up my stomach with something else....at least at this time when your in stomach recovery....

B 12..Please check the label closely to be sure it does not contain maltodrodextrin...recent studies from the UK indicate it "harbors" the bad strain of salmonela...and inasmuch as you have had hpylori, with antibiotics, they may or may not have killed off some other type of bad bacteria... this is a pure guess on my part..just want to be safe.

...if the B12 has the maltodextrin, then the richest B 12 in foods are sea foods (from the sea and not lakes/rivers/ponds etc) then eggs and yogurts..

I am very pleased to learn the cabbage juice is working for you.

I just had a 10 minute break...gotta get back to study...claudio

Me not too good. Losing weight and they don't know why. Just wondered if you'd heard of Gastritis causing lactose intolerance ? 

Trying anything now! x

I too am losing weight. Lost about 23 pounds in 3 months. Although I'm pretty sure it's because of my strict diet. Since you have gastritis too, your diet might be the reason why you're losing weight. And about milk... Gastritis doesn't cause lactose intolerance. Milk in itself is not easy to digest for adults, beacuse of the decrease the enzyme lactase in our stomach. Some people handle it better than others. Couple that with gastritis, which also casues indigestion, and milk can really make you feel full for quite a while. Unlike some people who get an acidic reaction from milk, I simply have a hard time digesting it for a while. Does milk gives you a reaction, as in pain, or it makes you feel very full for a while?

saddened to learn your not yet doing well...

To answer your question re "lactose intolerance"...

yes and maybe. Reasoning: "diet"...with stomach

inflammation, diet is modified to accommodate discomforts and more often than not, the consequences are a disruption of metabolism. We lose good bacteria and enzymes...thus weight loss.

I've been busy trying to absorb Prof. lecture on this subject...if you want a copy, let me know.

Also, pm me with your history as I'v not kept notes...sorry.

I  think to have sent you a copy of "OG"'s experience with Gastritis, mouth ulcers, and lactose intolerance just to name a few"...?? refresh: he completely recovered using basic diet..suffered for 20 years with these problems therefore recovery is not only posible but probable..at least for most of us.

remember to pm me with history, current diet/weight/meds/supplements/etc...and thanks, both wife and I doing quite well.. she is yet at 101 to 104lbs...has been the limit now for a few months in spite of all else normal...Claudio

I had a CT scan last Wednesday, waiting results. Next Monday I see a gastroenterologist. But someone has suggested I could be Lactose intolerant brought on by the Gastritis. Willing to try. As looking back I have been having build up drinks made with milk, one day I had 3 next morning I had the worst diarrhoea ever.

Any help or advice ? 

I would be grateful x

i did drink cabbage juice for a while it did soothe my stomach from the gastritis. I hope you feel better soon x